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Not true. It is the method Apple chose to provide updates for this product. On each iPhone cell contract Apple collects money from AT&T. This revenue offsets the price for FW updates. The iPod does not provide the AT&T revenue stream to Apple, so they charge the user. If you do not want to pay you do not have to. It's the price you pay for a new OS/ feature set.

AT&T's official stance is that there is no revenue sharing for the new iPhone.

Only the original.

But even still, the iPod touch is a $299, $399, and $499 device. The price tag alone entitles the owner to free updates for at least two years.

MS and Sony are competing for your gaming dollar. That is the only reason you are not paying for added functionality on the gaming platforms.

But as I said, you don't have to buy a single thing ever for either console. A game, movie, accessory, nothing. You could just buy it and use it for its media streaming features and you will still get free updates for the life of the console.

Historically MS Windows free updates do not add any significant features. They are generally bug fixes, security updates and copy protection schemes. Some MS Windows apps do get added functionality (IE, MediaPlayer), but these are app updates, not OS updates.

Windows Media Player is integrated into the OS. So it is an OS update when it receives a functionality update.

IE in XP is integrated into the OS as well, so an IE update is an OS update.

MS has a long history of charging for very minor updates to its OS's while adding bloatware.

The thing with past Windows OSes is that software and hardware is generally compatible with that generation. If you bought Windows 3.0, it would run all of the 3.11 stuff. So you didn't have to buy the point upgrade.

Windows 98 brought a lot to the table that Windows 95 did not. For example, proper USB support. It also brought better DirectX support, standardized audio functionality, stability, it also built the roots for system wide hardware acceleration that we had in XP for many years and now have in Vista and OS X still does not have. Windows 98 SE was more of a service pack. You could download all of the updates for SE from the Windows Update site or pay for the cost of shipping for a CD. The only difference was the point revision. There was absolutely no reason for anyone with Windows 98 to upgrade to SE.

You can actually thank Windows 98's hardware and gaming support for the hardware we have today. The updated gaming support, better hardware capability, nVidia pushing out the RivaTNT and the original "Detonator driver", and those cheap Celeron 300As started hardcore gamers off in the world of overclocking, tweaking, customizing their computers to get every ounce of performance. Without Windows 98's driver, hardware, and gaming support, that wouldn't have happened. We wouldn't have had AMD see the potential and come up with the Athlon, which smacked Intel around. Intel wouldn't have had to fireback with the Core 2. Etc.

So you can thank Microsoft and Windows 98 for every piece of hardware in your Mac now.

And yes we know Microsoft did Windows ME. But you know, Windows 95 still ran nearly everything that Windows ME did. Windows 98 ran everything ME did. Windows 98 even ran most XP software if you modified the installer.

But let's look at OS X for a minute. Leopard was the first real major improvement to OS X since it was released. Every release so far has been minor, relatively speaking. No different than Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, and Windows ME, then XP. But, unlike OS X, if you decided to stick with 95 all the way to XP, you'd still be able to run all of that new software.
 
with 2.0 iTunes beachballs for about 2 minutes and finally my iPod shows up in devices, anyone else have this problem. I wonder if it is an iTunes problem or the 2.0 software causing it? I am just curious to see if it is happening to anyone else.
 
with 2.0 iTunes beachballs for about 2 minutes and finally my iPod shows up in devices, anyone else have this problem. I wonder if it is an iTunes problem or the 2.0 software causing it? I am just curious to see if it is happening to anyone else.

I think its a iTunes 7.7 issue. I updated to 7.7 yesterday and still had 1.1.4 on my Touch and I noticed it beachballs all the time now. I installed 2.0 this morning and it is no better.
 
I think its a iTunes 7.7 issue. I updated to 7.7 yesterday and still had 1.1.4 on my Touch and I noticed it beachballs all the time now. I installed 2.0 this morning and it is no better.
I hope they release an update to fix it soon. I guess I can live with it if I have to, but it is a little annoying.
 
As far as the "beachballing" goes, apparently several other users are having the same problem. I was browsing the forums at Apple support and several people are reporting this issue. There was an Apple employee who had people send in samples of the problem, so hopefully they will fix it asap. At least I know it is not just my system.
 
with 2.0 iTunes beachballs for about 2 minutes and finally my iPod shows up in devices, anyone else have this problem. I wonder if it is an iTunes problem or the 2.0 software causing it? I am just curious to see if it is happening to anyone else.

I don't get this in Windows.
 
As far as the "beachballing" goes, apparently several other users are having the same problem. I was browsing the forums at Apple support and several people are reporting this issue. There was an Apple employee who had people send in samples of the problem, so hopefully they will fix it asap. At least I know it is not just my system.

This happens on my Mac Pro but, it doesn't happen on my brothers' PowerBook G4 (which has about the same size library). Weird. I really hope they fix this fast... it makes it a pain to plug the iPod in.
 
I am not sure. but after testing 2.0. it makes UI little lagging. there is also another problem. when you download app(install one by one), it processes slower from loading to installing. have you experienced this?
 
with 2.0 iTunes beachballs for about 2 minutes and finally my iPod shows up in devices, anyone else have this problem. I wonder if it is an iTunes problem or the 2.0 software causing it? I am just curious to see if it is happening to anyone else.

Yeah, seems to be an iTunes 7.7 issue - happens to me as well.
 
I want to know why it takes 10 to 15 bloody minutes to "back up" my iPod touch when I connect it to iTunes when it used to take 5 seconds.
 
I want to know why it takes 10 to 15 bloody minutes to "back up" my iPod touch when I connect it to iTunes when it used to take 5 seconds.

Yeah, that happened to me to! On first plugging in itunes found the apps i had downloaded and offered to transfer them which failed. Unpluged my ipod and plugged it in again only to have the same happen. On third attempt it started to back up my ipod which took aaaaaaagggggggggeeess where as it used to be a few seconds.

Graham
 
Long response short:

If Apple "legally" has to charge, then why do accountants and lawyers alike question the move every time Apple does so?

Every time Apple has done something like this over the last couple of years you've had a very large number of accountants and lawyers (who don't work for Apple) say "uh.. they don't need to do that".


It's precisely because Apple is NOT their client that they can say this. Of course Apple's own counsel is going to be overly conservative when it comes to giving Apple advice. It's their job to protect Apple's bacon and not leave a crack in the door for a lawsuit or SEC action. Apple isn't getting rich off these penny ante updates. Heck it probably costs them more to even have to account for them at all.
 
tonight something was happened to mine after playing super monkey ball. it suddenly turned to recovery mode. I needed to restore. but what I worried was that I updated 2.0 unofficially (not hacking but from apple server leaked files). so itunes store will be recognized what I didn't purchase software. anyway I just click restore, without asking to pay for $9.95, it just showed agreement popup windows, started to download. so I think when you already have 2.0 firmware, you don't have to worry about restore.
 
hey, is anyone able to find the "Pandora" or the "ebay" applications in app store? I'm in canada and i cant seem to find these two applications. Is there different apps available to different countries or something? :confused:
 
Question: If I buy a new iPod touch today, will it come with 2.0?

I guess that would depend on what's in stock. When the last update came out iPods came with the factory firmware and you still had to purchase the update, once stocks got low you could buy the iPod with the new firmware for the standard price and the one with the old firmware fir a little less!
 
can anyone remeber the list of new features in this update? apart from the obvious ones, and anyone know if ichat is any where?
 
crashing?

... After a long day of waiting, Apple has finally posted the official iPod Touch 2.0 Firmware update. ...
Anyone else crashing after the update?

I have only ever had to reset my iPod once since I bought it that I remember, but since the 2.0 firmware, it has crashed hard three times now.
 
I got my Ipod Touch yesterday after v2 was released thinking I'd get to have it at no extra cost as the release was brought out after I bought and registered but still had to buy it. Is this right?

Mike
 
AT&T's official stance is that there is no revenue sharing for the new iPhone.

Only the original.

But even still, the iPod touch is a $299, $399, and $499 device. The price tag alone entitles the owner to free updates for at least two years.

That's correct, but we were talking about paying for an upgrade to an iPod Touch vs getting it free on the original iPhone. Had nothing to do with the 3g.

You assume you are entitled to something that was never offered as free.

Windows Media Player is integrated into the OS. So it is an OS update when it receives a functionality update.

IE in XP is integrated into the OS as well, so an IE update is an OS update.

I can download media player without downloading the OS. Same with IE. It's integrated, but not part of the OS. I can also download a number of apps that become integrated with the OS, but are not sold or created by the OS maker (either MS or Apple)

The thing with past Windows OSes is that software and hardware is generally compatible with that generation. If you bought Windows 3.0, it would run all of the 3.11 stuff. So you didn't have to buy the point upgrade.

So what you are saying is Apple should have given away OS X 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5 because they can run on the same hardware as the previous versions and are only point upgrades?!?

So you can thank Microsoft and Windows 98 for every piece of hardware in your Mac now.

Humm, like firewire 400 and 800? Like single piece desktop computers? LCD displays? Plug and play?, Like EFI replacing BIOS?

I agree Microsoft's inability to make a decent OS led me to buy Apple computers.

But let's look at OS X for a minute. Leopard was the first real major improvement to OS X since it was released. Every release so far has been minor, relatively speaking. No different than Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, and Windows ME, then XP. But, unlike OS X, if you decided to stick with 95 all the way to XP, you'd still be able to run all of that new software.

You really don't know a thing about OS X if you believe that.

Getting way off topic here, so I'll end this line of discussion from my end. Thanks for playing :)
 
I got my Ipod Touch yesterday after v2 was released thinking I'd get to have it at no extra cost as the release was brought out after I bought and registered but still had to buy it. Is this right?

Mike


contact itunes store support. they should return the update price.
 
I got my Ipod Touch yesterday after v2 was released thinking I'd get to have it at no extra cost as the release was brought out after I bought and registered but still had to buy it. Is this right?

Mike

yes as the iPod you bought had likely been in the shop, and therefore made, before 2.0 was released so it shipped with 1.1.4 as normal.
 
Success with both iPod Touch updates

Yesterday afternoon the update for my iPod touch finally worked. The initial backup failed (giving an error 36, whatever that means), but worked the next time I tired it. After about an hour I had version 2.0 firmware on my iPod touch.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the applications that I had bought and loaded on my iPhone were able to be loaded on my iPod touch.

With that good success I decieded to do my wife's iPod touch as well. Two surprises here -- first, it did NOT ask me to repurchase the 2.0 firmware update. And second, the iPhone applications loaded onto this device as well without additional purchase.

Bottom line: one $10 fee to update two iPod touch units
one application purchase for three devices
 
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