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I got my update the unofficial way. Thanks to someone's linklinl on this forum. it's the build 2.0 (5A347). Everything works prefect. No problems. I see no reason to purchase a copy. Should I? Am I missing out something If I don't. right now I don't think so.

LOL. I whole-heartedly agree.
 
On top of paying $35 a month for 3G + $10 Upgrades....

Joke, you pay for firmware updates, .99c tracks (way over priced and you don't own it), $30-60 for internet on your AT&T bill, plus you have to change your plan to less minutes and a 2-year sentence with AT&T.... for what?

plus...
NOTHING NEW. why is this news? I've been able to use applications exactly like these, and hundreds more, mostly for free, on my Nokia smartphone for years! The IPhone reminds me of the Razr - like a supermodel - looks great on the outside, nothing on the inside. Or as the parody in Grand Theft Auto 4 says: "The New IFruit Phone - No Buttons, No Reception, No Storage Capacity - All Ego" :)

With lines reported to be blocks long to buy something that people want but not truly need, it looks like Phil Gramm is correct. It's a "Mental Recession".

I'm still waiting for a cell phone that would work with *every* carrier, and NO contract required. Why do they want us to sign 2-year contracts? Some marriages in California don't even last that long!

Apple sure is loving all the free marketing you media folks are serving up. I've been using a lot of these apps on a competing platform for years now. No need to pay and pay.

After years living in the US, I still do not understand what drives someone to camp in front of a store to buy a gadget that they are convinced that they need and must have but won't use to the full extent once it is purchased unless they're selling on it on Ebay for three times as much. :))
 
* Mail now supports bulk move and bulk delete (FINALLY!)...

question: on my iPhone with the new software only the original folders show up as options for bulk move (trash, draft, sent, etc.). I've created a very useful hierarchy of folders that generally organize my life: should they show up, to allow me to move emails to those folders? if so, how do i implement that? If not, aren't the bulk moves pretty useless (since bulk delete is another, simpler option to accomplish a bulk move to the trash folder?) I'm just unclear on what the value is of the bulk moves feature. thanks.
 
Buy it, people. Apple deserves it.

Apple "deserves" nothing but to keep making the best products it can and let the market decide... after the pain of upgrading my Leopard, iTunes store "errors" updating an iTouch, and crazy slow issues with moble.me yesterday/today... they don't deserve a break! They just make me want to ensure I survey the market before my next big purchase since thier software, products, implementmentation methodology seems to be lacking over the past 12 months! Maybe they are getting sloppy or something...
 
Anyone else having problems with 2.0, when I plug in my touch, I get the beachball for about 2 minutes and then my ipod finally shows up in iTunes. It just seems a little buggy, wondering if anyone else is having this issue.
 
I have a jailbroken iPod touch using the 1.1.3 firmware. Can I just purchase the 2.0 update and upgrade from there? Or do I need to restore to an un-jailbroken state first?

Also which folder in OSX is the new firmware stored after the download?
 
Anyone else having problems with 2.0, when I plug in my touch, I get the beachball for about 2 minutes and then my ipod finally shows up in iTunes. It just seems a little buggy, wondering if anyone else is having this issue.

Mine started doing this since I updated to iTunes 7.7 Anyone had trouble getting the apps they bought on the App Store on the Touch to sync back to iTunes. I had tell mine to sync like 4 times before it did it. :confused:
 
Mine started doing this since I updated to iTunes 7.7 Anyone had trouble getting the apps they bought on the App Store on the Touch to sync back to iTunes. I had tell mine to sync like 4 times before it did it. :confused:

I hope it is something they can easily fix.
 
Joke, you pay for firmware updates, .99c tracks (way over priced and you don't own it), $30-60 for internet on your AT&T bill, plus you have to change your plan to less minutes and a 2-year sentence with AT&T.... for what?

plus...
NOTHING NEW. why is this news? I've been able to use applications exactly like these, and hundreds more, mostly for free, on my Nokia smartphone for years! The IPhone reminds me of the Razr - like a supermodel - looks great on the outside, nothing on the inside. Or as the parody in Grand Theft Auto 4 says: "The New IFruit Phone - No Buttons, No Reception, No Storage Capacity - All Ego" :)

With lines reported to be blocks long to buy something that people want but not truly need, it looks like Phil Gramm is correct. It's a "Mental Recession".

I'm still waiting for a cell phone that would work with *every* carrier, and NO contract required. Why do they want us to sign 2-year contracts? Some marriages in California don't even last that long!

Apple sure is loving all the free marketing you media folks are serving up. I've been using a lot of these apps on a competing platform for years now. No need to pay and pay.

After years living in the US, I still do not understand what drives someone to camp in front of a store to buy a gadget that they are convinced that they need and must have but won't use to the full extent once it is purchased unless they're selling on it on Ebay for three times as much. :))

You do realize this is a thread about the Touch NOT the iPhone? Apparently not since you rant on about ATT's plans (btw I've seen a lot worse from some non-US providers).

I tell you what though, I don't understand what drives someone to troll a forum just to trash the the products that forum is devoted to, and by default the people who buy those products. ;) Does it make you feel "big"? Just curious. I could give you lots of faults of Nokia phones, but my time is far too valuable to even care.
 
So...wait. The people who supported apple by getting the previous update for $19.95 have to pay another $9.95 for this new application update, which includes the stuff I paid $19.95 for?

This should be a free upgrade for us, that's crap.
 
I just bought a macbook with a new touch today and the order says it has January software. Do I have to pay for the upgrade, or will I get it free? Anybody know what i should do?
 
So...wait. The people who supported apple by getting the previous update for $19.95 have to pay another $9.95 for this new application update, which includes the stuff I paid $19.95 for?

This should be a free upgrade for us, that's crap.

Then don't upgrade. You're not forced to.
 
As for MSFT. X-box revenue is recognized over 2 years, which means they CAN give away free upgrades because they haven't recognized all the revenue. Note that accepted accounting convention around SARBOX allows the free upgrades to continue even past the two years. No idea why, but I think it's just deemed as having complied with the legislation.

Now, Apple recognizes iPhone revenue over 2 years, so iPhone users can get the upgrade for free. The iPod Touch is recognized IMMEDIATELY, in full. It is therefore subject to SARBOX.
So Apple purposely set it up so they can charge us? This still doesn't explain why Steve Jobs said they were able to get the price down (like it was a hard task) to $10. Why can't they just charge 99c or even $2? Heck, I wouldn't be upset if I had to pay $5 for the Jan update and $5 for 2.0. Apple seems to want to screw us over.
 
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The accounting rule in question was brought in after the collapse of Enron because they stated revenue associated with certain initiatives in one quarter, and costs in a later quarter. Hence over-stating their profits. The SARBOX legislation came in as a direct result of this and companies have spent millions of dollars ensuring their compliance with it. Consulting firms have made a fortune out of helping people be compliant.

The side-effect of this is things like this. If the officially announced product did not include something, and then they want to add it, then according to SARBOX they have declared the profit in an earlier quarter and would have to declare a cost on their books in the quarter the update shipped. Do you seriously think Apple was just trying to charge us money with a $3 802.11n upgrade? Look at what that created in terms of rumor site bad press (and apple gets a lot of their free press from sites such as that so they do care.)

They likely made a loss on that initiative once they'd covered off the accounting side of it and making it available as a paid upgrade etc etc. A simple software update would have covered it.

As to why PSP upgrades are free. I don't know how they are recognized on Sony's books and frankly it might not matter since they are a Japanese company and not specifically subject to SARBOX (depending on how their corporate structure falls out.)

As for MSFT. X-box revenue is recognized over 2 years, which means they CAN give away free upgrades because they haven't recognized all the revenue. Note that accepted accounting convention around SARBOX allows the free upgrades to continue even past the two years. No idea why, but I think it's just deemed as having complied with the legislation.

Now, Apple recognizes iPhone revenue over 2 years, so iPhone users can get the upgrade for free. The iPod Touch is recognized IMMEDIATELY, in full. It is therefore subject to SARBOX.

Again, at $10 a pop, they aren't making money. They had to do EXTRA coding to make iTunes NOT just give you the upgrade for free. Build pages to sell it, figure out how to track if you've said "No" to the upgrade so as to not keep bothering you, adjust in channel inventory prices down by $10 so people can buy the upgrade and be "whole" once it's gone out etc etc etc. By the time they've done all of that it would be easier for them to just give it away for free. Your argument that they are just after money just makes no sense.

I like apple, but I am the first to admit when they screw up (mobileme was a farce, and the 3G launch was hardly a shining moment for them, compared to last year!) But in this case, they could have used the resources they put on making you pay for this upgrade in other areas which would have generated MORE revenue for apple. They don't think about specific isolated incidents of how to get $10 out of people. It's not worth it. That's not to say, when they are launching a new version of hardware, they don't stop and think and start taking out previously included items (Apple remote with computers used to be free, now isn't for example. This IS cheap in my opinion!) But the point is, they made that decision as part of the launch of a new product. They didn't just one day decide to stop including them on the same model, same revision, same everything, as a way of making a few more bucks. Large firms just don't think that way. It's counter-productive.

For sure, Apple wants to make lots of money, for sure they can get away with it because of their brand value, but they aren't doing it here just for fun. It's just not a good business decision. They're doing it because they have to.

When someone buys an iPod Touch, does it say, ANYWHERE, that you're entitled to free upgrades (other than bug fixes which restore functionality that you WERE supposed to have, if it isn't working properly)? No, it doesn't. For the iPhone, it's always been a major selling feature.

People just love to take an opportunity to knock apple for things like this. Truth be told, they probably think it's a great sign that they are doing the right thing. Because if THIS is what people are moaning about, then they're doing the really important parts of their job really well!

Long response short:

If Apple "legally" has to charge, then why do accountants and lawyers alike question the move every time Apple does so?

Every time Apple has done something like this over the last couple of years you've had a very large number of accountants and lawyers (who don't work for Apple) say "uh.. they don't need to do that". So again, just about everyone who isn't Apple or an Apple loyalist questions the move either based on "why are you doing this to me? (customer) or "why are you doing this when you don't have to?" (those who actually know the law).

Also, please feel free to provide proof that Sony, Microsoft, and hundreds of other companies (including hardware manufacturers, game developers, etc) state their revenue differently than they should or they go back and re-adjust it.

This is a very weak and proven false argument by Apple and the extreme fanboys. There is absolutely no legal reason they have to do this. And they should be giving it to those who bought the iPod touch, especially the 32GB version, as a thank you.
 
upgraded mine off the beta download from Apple... works great!

ipod_touch_2.0_launch.jpg
 
When someone buys an iPod Touch, does it say, ANYWHERE, that you're entitled to free upgrades (other than bug fixes which restore functionality that you WERE supposed to have, if it isn't working properly)? No, it doesn't. For the iPhone, it's always been a major selling feature.

It's not required of Apple to give out free upgrades for something like this. However, it's the right thing to do.

And no, nobody's forcing them to charge $10 for it, in spite of your lengthy post to the contrary.
 
Joke, you pay for firmware updates, .99c tracks (way over priced and you don't own it), $30-60 for internet on your AT&T bill, plus you have to change your plan to less minutes and a 2-year sentence with AT&T.... for what?

All firmware updates are free for the iPhone, unlike the touch.
 
Well worth the $10. Apps installed.

Funky thing, though... didn't install Band on the first try (error in application), but it worked the second try. Just hope it doesn't crash my Touch...

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Hi folks,

I haven't read up on everything and am hoping someone can just tell me what I need to know...

I want to know if the FW 2.0 upgrade procedure will allow me to backup and restore back to its original data state? In other words... I want to go to 2.0, and I want the procedure to result in my running 2.0 *and* with my playlists, etc., exactly the way they were before.

The issue for me is the bunch of playlists that I won't be able to easily re-create. I don't sync from iTunes; I manually manage the contents of my IPT.

My platform is WinXP using iTunes 7.7.

TIA,

EVP
 
Theres not a single law on the books here in the US that states that Apple has to charge for new features.

True

Apple just uses "accounting reasons" as a scapegoat to rip people off.

Not true. It is the method Apple chose to provide updates for this product. On each iPhone cell contract Apple collects money from AT&T. This revenue offsets the price for FW updates. The iPod does not provide the AT&T revenue stream to Apple, so they charge the user. If you do not want to pay you do not have to. It's the price you pay for a new OS/ feature set.

Microsoft, Sony (of all people!) and many others give free functionality updates all the time.

Look at the PS3 and PSP. Free functionality updates for years now with no extra revenue. You could buy the system and never buy a single game, movie, or anything and you'll still get free functionality updates.

MS and Sony are competing for your gaming dollar. That is the only reason you are not paying for added functionality on the gaming platforms. Historically MS Windows free updates do not add any significant features. They are generally bug fixes, security updates and copy protection schemes. Some MS Windows apps do get added functionality (IE, MediaPlayer), but these are app updates, not OS updates.

Microsoft did the same thing with the Zune. You didn't need to have a Zune Pass or have ever bought anything from the Zune Marketplace. Yet they brought out a firmware update that took the original Zune up to the level of the second generation Zune. Complete with a whole new UI, new software, wireless syncing (why don't the iPhone and iPod touch have this yet?).

MS is trying to steal some of the market away from Apples iPod. They are willing to lose money in order to capture that market. The updates they have provided in the Zune are an attempt to make it more attractive to iPod users or wanna be iPod users. MS has a long history of charging for very minor updates to its OS's while adding bloatware.
 
I have a jailbroken iPod touch using the 1.1.3 firmware. Can I just purchase the 2.0 update and upgrade from there? Or do I need to restore to an un-jailbroken state first?

Also which folder in OSX is the new firmware stored after the download?

Library>iTunes>iPod Software Updates
 
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