That's correct, but we were talking about paying for an upgrade to an iPod Touch vs getting it free on the original iPhone. Had nothing to do with the 3g.
You assume you are entitled to something that was never offered as free.
Well, I own an iPhone. I'm here arguing on behalf of iPod touch buyers.
If you spend $299, $399, or $499 on a device that you don't really need, you ARE entitled to FREE updates to that device for at least a period of two years. End of discussion.
I can download media player without downloading the OS. Same with IE. It's integrated, but not part of the OS. I can also download a number of apps that become integrated with the OS, but are not sold or created by the OS maker (either MS or Apple)
Please don't comment on things you clearly know nothing about. In Windows 98, 98SE, ME, 2000, and XP, Internet Explorer is as integrated into the OS as an engine as integrated into a car.
Back in the 98 days, there was actually a group of people who were dedicated to modifying Windows 98's kernel to strip IE out of it and replace it with the Windows 95 kernel, but still get all of Windows 98's benefits.
Windows Media Player is also as tightly integrated into XP and Vista as IE was in all of those other Windows OSes. Windows Media Player provides the ground work for Media Center, and it provides the technology for system wide hardware acceleration for video playback that essentially makes it possible for any PC with a dedicated GPU from the last 3 or 4 generations to play high definition video in reduced power states. It also helps video look much better than it does on OS X.
So what you are saying is Apple should have given away OS X 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5 because they can run on the same hardware as the previous versions and are only point upgrades?!?
I love how Apple fans deliberately misinterpret my words.
Should Apple have given away those updates? No. Should they have been cheaper? Yes.
Don't deliberately twist my words for your own argument.
Firewire is essentially dead. USB 2.0 replaced Firewire 400 (don't give me that speed crap, if you buy quality hardware it will have a quality USB 2.0 controller and it will be every bit as fast), and eSATA is pretty much kicking Firewire 800 into its grave as we speak. $600 laptops are coming with eSATA these days and its making its way into many devices and most Windows PCs being sold now.
Like single piece desktop computers?
I'm sorry, but I don't like throw-away computers. I also don't like that if the webcam, DVD drive, monitor GPU, or something small goes wrong, you have to send the entire computer end to get repaired. This is one reason why I want to get rid of both my MacBook and HP notebook. In a desktop, if the DVD drive goes bad you pull it out and get a new one. GPU goes bad? Pull it out, get a cheap one, send that one in for repair. Monitor goes bad? Same thing. You're down for only the time it takes you to get a replacement part. With an Mac or PC notebook, you're down for days, if not weeks. In my case with my first MacBook, I was without the system for 3 weeks because I had to keep shipping it back due to Flextronics being unable to see that the DVD drive could not write DVDs.
What? PCs were shipping with LCD displays and had LCD displays on sale before the iMac shipped with them standard.
Windows 98 had "plug and play". Windows 95 had pre-emptive multi-tasking a full.. what? 6 years before Mac OS did?
What good has that done? It still takes a good 11-13 seconds depending on how you count from the time you press the power button to the time the OS begins loading. Same as a PC with a BIOS.
I agree Microsoft's inability to make a decent OS led me to buy Apple computers.
Well, let's see for a second. Microsoft had pre-emptive multi-tasking more than half a decade before Mac OS did. It also standardized core technologies for gaming and 3D graphics that OS X now depends on. It brought in the audio standards all computers use now. Microsoft's gaming technologies lead to the interest and need that brought us the fast processors and hardware that now power every Mac. Microsoft also pioneered system wide hardware acceleration for video playback. That means that a $600 Walmart PC based off AMD's Puma platform or nVidia's 8000 IGP can play bluray discs! Something NO Mac can do either because of hardware or because OS X simply does not support it.
You really don't know a thing about OS X if you believe that.
Okay, so let me know when OS X can run a game from 1995. I have my original MYST Windows CD from the early 90s and, guess what, it still works on Vista.
