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runninmac said:
Not to get into a flame war but... compared to the G4 powerbooks you should at least be getting the same proformace or even better, With the iMac G5s/Core Duo's you will see the effects, thats what I mean... but I could be wrong.
I don't know, and you don't know. All we have to go on is Jobs saying that the speed isn't sufficient for pros.

I'm not sure what "pro" means, or if I'm considered a pro by his standards. But I do know that I get paid to work with PS, and I have no problem doing it on my 15" 1.5 GHZ PBG4, and I know I'm not the only one. Based on his comments, I would have to assume that it would run slower on the new MacBooks than it would on mine -- for the time being.
 
thes said:
Exactly my point. ThinkPads, Sony's, etc are comparable to Apple in terms of quality. Have you looked at the prices of the Dual Core Thinkpads? You'll realise a ThinkPad will similar specifications would cost only a little less than the Apple.

Hmm, really? Okay, I'll buy the IBM. I WILL NEVER touch another Sony.

One of my friends had a Sony VAIO desktop. Everytime he went to dial out on the modem, it failed and you could hear AM radio coming across the speaker on the internal modem. Weird I know. Their techs refused to do anything for days.

And recently, my sister's VAIO laptop failed. Sony refused to replace it under warranty because "it had been opened and tampered with". CircuitCity finally stepped in and took it back, and after analyzing it determined it was just poor solder quality that Sony had themselves done that they used to claim it was tampered with.

NEVER ever buy a sony.......add to that RootKit and their "digital rights" and cartel marketting crap they are pulling on companies like Apple.
 
FINALLY!!!! IT LETS ME POST

on another subject, last night, i said that i think the powerbooks chargers should be updated, one example i gave was an enlarged dock-connecter type charger. Then you have the Magsafe or w.e.

on another subject again, does 1.83 core duo mean that it has the equivelent of a 3.66 GHz single core, or not?

I also have to decide if i should get the 1.83 or the 1.67. Thinking towards 1.83.

And finally, on a much more comic point, my computer has been running alot slower today. Do you think apple put an update on my computer secretly to make my computer run slower to make me more likely to update? ;)

EDIT: I need to decide if apple care is a good buy. Iv bought it for every other Mac, but have only used it once. But this is such a different story.
 
Val-kyrie said:
I still need a modem--NO Wi-Fi or Hi-Speed available in my area and in many areas around me.

BTW, what is BFE???

Butt f**k Egypt (slang for boonies, or rural areas)

according to wikipedia it's a mid-west USA slang term - sorry for not clarifying ;)
 
yankeefan24 said:
does 1.83 core duo mean that it has the equivelent of a 3.66 GHz single core, or not?
You could look at it that way, but it's not completely accurate. Also, clock speed is independent of actual performance, which is based on how many instructions get executed per clock cycle. Not simple how many clock cycles there are (wich is the GHz). ;)
 
Val-kyrie said:
BTW, what is BFE???

The mythical, magical place called Bumf*ck Egypt (alternate spelling Bum F*ck Egypt). If that still does not register (in the middle of Antarctica).

Edit: Too late...
 
Modem Pricing

thes said:
well, they sell a tiny USB modem which doesnt cost too much. I think it makes sense to sell extras that are out of date separately rather than force everyone to buy it...

So people who need a modem should have to spend $49 to buy a separate USB modem that costs $3 to include on a laptop? Modems are really still needed, especially for traveling, and you shouldn't have to carry it as an accessory when you are looking for portability. Unless you can prove that a modem is "out of date," your argument makes no sense. And BTW, not everyone uses everything that comes with an item, yet they still buy it. Your reverse bandwagon argument is illogical.
 
macbook pro?

first, i didn´t read all the threads.
maybe someone said it before.
i´m dissapointed about the "pro".
what is "pro" on this macbook.
isight?
i want work, not chat.
no dual layer dvd?
the old powerbooks have that option for a reason.
512 mb ram?
to run the system?
what about my pro applications?
no fw 800?
how to connect the new ext. tb harddrives with sense?
the price?
yes, the price!
for me it´s an ibook wraped in a powerbook.
it´s more a consumer than a pro machine.
 
Randall said:
50 bucks for a damn dial up connection? that makes me sick.

Yep, you would think they could of thrown it in when you buy the computer. Probably making 90% margin on the thing.
 
Randall said:
You could look at it that way, but it's not completely accurate. Also, clock speed is independent of actual performance, which is based on how many instructions get executed per clock cycle. Not simple how many clock cycles there are (wich is the GHz). ;)

thanx for quick reply.
 
slffl said:
Concerning the size and style comments.

How in the world do you expect these laptops to get any smaller? Maybe making the bezel 1mm wide? You cant make the base thinner unless you invent all new ports that are thinner.

Also, IMO the current Powerbook design is perfect. From the hinge, to the side ports, to the keyboard, to the mouse, to the aluminum.

I'm very interested to hear some ideas about how you would make it smaller and the design concerns you have (other than color)?


The processor itself is based on miniaturizing technology that would have been impossible in mass scale just a few years ago. And a few years is how long this case has been around. So, you're saying it's impossible to make this smaller? That highly paid Apple engineers (rather than Macrumors readers, like you suggest) can't make this happen, ever? So, computers have reached the pinnacle of where they'll go in design, right? And in a year's time, there's absolutely no way something thinner or a better case design will be around?

Alright, so I guess we should just shut this site down, then. What's the point in having a rumor site if this is the best Apple is ever gonna have?

Not only this is gonna get smaller and piss off many many people that jumped on the boat too soon, but sadly, by the looks of it, we're probably gonna see brands like Sony with better design than the current top-of-the line Apple.

Peeople here that have been complaining about no redesign and size/weight concerns aren't whiners. All we wanted was for Apple to stay on the edge.
 
cheekyspanky said:
Well I've ordered mine,

MacBook Pro 1.83Ghz with the upgraded 7200rpm hard drive.

Came to £1699 via a discount through work. Expensive but it'll be a damn sight better than my Mac mini is for my photography work :)

Due to ship on or before the 7th Feb.


Cool, we're having twins [I am also upgrading from the Mini] :) What should we name them. I was very happy about a few things :

1) 1GB memory is in ONE SODIMM [Dell only offers 2x512 or 2x1GB]
2) Dells 7200RPM upgrade is $324 [Over 3x the price] I'll take the 1.83 with a 7200RPM drive over the 2.0 with a 5400 RPM drive
3) I could care less about FW800 [somone here noted that they connect their machine to three 1TB arrays, why have a notebook then, that makes the portability of the machine worthless]
4) FW800 expresscards will be available soon, need FW800, get an expresscard
5) Modem, whats a modem, I have little or no use for one
 
SiliconAddict said:
Or use it in Rosetta. If Apple's own benchmarks are even remotely close its going to blow away the PowerBook g4's native performance.

No. See the previous comments on this page.
 
About the new Li-Poly batteries in the new laptops.

Wikipedia said:
Early in its development, lithium polymer technology had problems with internal resistance. Other challenges include longer charge times and slower maximum discharge rates compared to more mature technologies. Li-Po batteries typically require more than an hour for a full charge. Recent design improvements have increased maximum discharge currents from two times to 15 or even 20 times the cell capacity. In March 2005 Toshiba announced a new design offering a much faster (about 1-3 minutes) rate of charge. These cells have yet to reach the market but should have a dramatic effect on the power tool and electric vehicle industries, and a major effect on consumer electronics; especially electrically-powered model aeroplanes.

When compared to the lithium ion battery, Li-Poly had a greater life cycle degradation rate. However, in recent years, manufacturers have been declaring upwards of 500 charge-discharge cycles before the capacity drops to 80%. Another variant of Li-Poly cells, the "thin film rechargeable lithium battery" has been shown to provide more than 10,000 cycles.
 
mnstr_trd_sd said:
okay i guess no one really know what the difference is with these new intel processors or what the advantages are and disadvantages are. it seem like everyone is either applauding apple or booing them without really knowing why.

someone please:

1) what are the advantages and disadvantages with these intel chips?

2)why are they so much better that is has everyone making a big deal about them.

3)and if they are so great, where is the speed test that prove the new macbooks and new intel processors have alot more power than the power pcs besides having the dual cores


People just don't feel like answering a question that is better directed to Google.

This was announced, explained, discussed, analysed, etc. after the announcement LAST JUNE.

Welcome to 7 months ago:
http://www.macworld.com/2005/06/features/intelfaq/index.php
 
Bfe

hmmfe said:
The mythical, magical place called Bumf*ck Egypt (alternate spelling Bum F*ck Egypt). If that still does not register (in the middle of Antarctica).

Edit: Too late...

Vulgarity is evidence of a lack of ability to express oneself with sophistication and imagination. Rather plebeian. And I thought the average Mac user had a higher intelligence than the average PC user.
 
digitalbiker said:
No you won't even be close to running like a native PPC version of Photoshop for the pro. Rosetta is an emulator and runs much slower than native PPC apps. Also many pro apps won't even run at all in rosetta. Kind of embarassing because many of the pro apps are Apple's own.

When you really study Apple's performance figures they only based them off a few apps. Even the x86 native versions of iTunes, safari, pages, etc ran at 1.7 to 1.9 times as fast as the G4. This sounds about right considering the Yonah is a dual core chip. Almost twice as fast for the same CPU speed. Rosetta emulated apps run about as fast as an 800 mhz g3 machine.

Rosetta is actually not an emulator... but your point still stands. Although I have no idea where you got the 800Mhz figure from. I am sure that it would be better than that/
 
Randall said:
And something tells me it would take having the same processor and hardware inside for 5 years before the battery life could get that good again. :rolleyes:

For all the advances we go through in technology year after year, it amazes me how the battery never really evolved. Freaking Lithium-ion batteries have been around for I don't know how long, and they have only marginally improved over the last 10 or so years. Pathetic.

Yeah, I agree. Where is all of this advanced battery technology that we have heard about being tested over the past 5 years. I use to read about batteries that would charge to 90% in less than 3 minutes and run for several hours. Or there were the micro fuel cell type batteries. Charge with gas and run for 24 hours.
 
Does anyone know when in February the Macbooks are shipping, and if it is likely that if i wait until friday it would be into march or something. please help. want to get it ASAP but need to think some more time.
 
flowerbook said:
first, i didn´t read all the threads.
maybe someone said it before.
i´m dissapointed about the "pro".
what is "pro" on this macbook.
isight?
i want work, not chat.

I know some were somplaining about that but it does have business uses for video conferencing. Also some say it's a security risk for places that don't allow them. I guess you could put a piece of black tape over it, or stick some gum in there our gouge out the eye with a screw driver if you really wanted to :D
 
Val-kyrie said:
And I thought the average Mac user had a higher intelligence than the average PC user.
We couldn't make that assumption based on your post. How much "sophistication and intelligence" does it take you pull out a cliche like "vulgarity..."
 
Val-kyrie said:
Vulgarity is evidence of a lack of ability to express oneself with sophistication and imagination. Rather plebeian. And I thought the average Mac user had a higher intelligence than the average PC user.


That's the problem with elitism. You think you're better than someone by the type of a computer one uses?
 
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