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Apple Releases the MacBook Pro
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From another thread a post i made re: a 17" powerbook
I think this was a stop gap arrangement to get some real life beta testers from among the Mac faithful. Your average switcher isn't going to see anything new here - it 'looks' the same, right?
My gut says is that they are working on the REAL intel powerbooks as we speak with a whole new design and arhitecture to be released over the next 6 months. I absolutely don't think they can or will stay with the same form factor.
I think Intel is going to user in a new era and today was a stop gap. MACS have always been about revolutionary not evolutionary and by that token the macbook just does not meet the standard.
In fact the more I think about it, the more I realize that the MacBook Pro = the first G3 PowerBook, the one that came in the PowerBook 3400 case and predated the completely redesigned Wall St. models by six months.
As we speak, Apple (and Intel) are working on the "real" MacBook Pro designed around Merom. Six months from now we'll get a brand new enclosure and even more power across the entire pro laptop line.
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I think this was a stop gap arrangement to get some real life beta testers from among the Mac faithful. Your average switcher isn't going to see anything new here - it 'looks' the same, right?
My gut says is that they are working on the REAL intel powerbooks as we speak with a whole new design and arhitecture to be released over the next 6 months. I absolutely don't think they can or will stay with the same form factor.
I think Intel is going to user in a new era and today was a stop gap. MACS have always been about revolutionary not evolutionary and by that token the macbook just does not meet the standard.
In fact the more I think about it, the more I realize that the MacBook Pro = the first G3 PowerBook, the one that came in the PowerBook 3400 case and predated the completely redesigned Wall St. models by six months.
As we speak, Apple (and Intel) are working on the "real" MacBook Pro designed around Merom. Six months from now we'll get a brand new enclosure and even more power across the entire pro laptop line.
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hey, AAPL closed at 80.86 on the day they switched to INTEL !
...tells you something ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8086
...tells you something ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8086
SiliconAddict said:
Yeah that is one sweet GPU!
I really wish Apple would have released one more killer PB last November before this Intel MacBook. If they would have updated to the dual core G4, with this ATI GPU it would have been nice. Currently I have too many pro apps to even think about Intel yet. I was kind of hoping for a yonah based mini to buy and play around with while I used my G4 PB for my mobile workhorse but I guess I will just have to wait.
I hope you have fun with the new MacBook. You'll have to gloat about your 10.4.4 boot times!
Any guesses why they removed the S-Video/TV Out port??
That's one feature I use nearly everyday on my Titanium PowerBook - all the shows I download from iTunes and BitTorrent, even home movies I make in iMovie, get piped to my TV from my notebook. Heck, I even pipe Region 3 DVDs from my notebook to my TV.
As petty as it seems, not having the S-Video port is a deal breaker for me with regard to this new machine. It just seems asinine not to include such a standard notebook feature as that.
That's one feature I use nearly everyday on my Titanium PowerBook - all the shows I download from iTunes and BitTorrent, even home movies I make in iMovie, get piped to my TV from my notebook. Heck, I even pipe Region 3 DVDs from my notebook to my TV.
As petty as it seems, not having the S-Video port is a deal breaker for me with regard to this new machine. It just seems asinine not to include such a standard notebook feature as that.
thes said:
Actually you can. the Dual cores that came out last week don't completely thrash the new PowerBooks but they do firmly plant their foot in its butt.
But I didn't buy this laptop on specs alone. From the specs stanpoint it kicks the crap out of my current laptop.
again "pro"
to make my position clear.
"pro" means i earn money with my computer.
i want a working horse not an entertainment center.
photobooth?
you kiddin´me!
when i´m looking on the macbook page at apple.com i think i´m in the supermarket.
the macbook got a faster cpu than the "old" powerbook.
that´s it.
but can i really use the power?
with ilife, yes.
with pro appication, no.
i´m talking about evolution, baby.
i know, if you want work real hard you can buy a powermac.
that´s good if you are in an office.
but if you´re working around the world it´s to hard to carry a powermac.
i don´t expect the same power as in a powermac but close to it.
what i see now is that apple want to blind me with the intelchip.
i suggest for the pro´s to wait for the "real" macbook.
this one is a pimped ibook.
to make my position clear.
"pro" means i earn money with my computer.
i want a working horse not an entertainment center.
photobooth?
you kiddin´me!
when i´m looking on the macbook page at apple.com i think i´m in the supermarket.
the macbook got a faster cpu than the "old" powerbook.
that´s it.
but can i really use the power?
with ilife, yes.
with pro appication, no.
i´m talking about evolution, baby.
i know, if you want work real hard you can buy a powermac.
that´s good if you are in an office.
but if you´re working around the world it´s to hard to carry a powermac.
i don´t expect the same power as in a powermac but close to it.
what i see now is that apple want to blind me with the intelchip.
i suggest for the pro´s to wait for the "real" macbook.
this one is a pimped ibook.
ok...no battery life numbers and lack of DL DVD concerns have been beat to death. What I want to know is...why the hell are these things not HD? I was hoping for the revisions to have nicer screens than other notebooks on the market. Are these screens HD? Maybe next revision??!!
As a Windows user all my life, I desperately want to jump to Apple - and the MacBook Pro is what sealed the deal. I will most likely get this model. When? I'm not sure...
I dont see whats the big deal with the Firewire 800, and I'm not sure if I would ever use it. A dual-layer burner sounds nice, but im still burning CD's on this steam engine.
Apple has made this very appealing for the casual users such as myself. All this new Apple applications look so damn hot compared to Windows.
I'll probibly wait for the first reviews to appear. Then it a simple choice. Do, or do not.
As for the X1600, Im real excited. A big step form my 9250...
I want to be a graphics designer, so jumping to Apple is very exciting.
I dont see whats the big deal with the Firewire 800, and I'm not sure if I would ever use it. A dual-layer burner sounds nice, but im still burning CD's on this steam engine.
Apple has made this very appealing for the casual users such as myself. All this new Apple applications look so damn hot compared to Windows.
I'll probibly wait for the first reviews to appear. Then it a simple choice. Do, or do not.
As for the X1600, Im real excited. A big step form my 9250...
I want to be a graphics designer, so jumping to Apple is very exciting.
strange days said:hey, AAPL closed at 80.86 on the day they switched to INTEL !
...tells you something ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8086
Woah, that's weird!
El Duderino said:
Vulgarity
Vulgarity is not a cliche. Vulgarity is a descriptor. According to The American Heritage Dictionary, "vulgarity" is an aesthetic offense--something to which I would think Mac users would be sensitive. (The definition reads: "Something, as an act or expression, that offends good taste or propriety.")
The use of sophistication and imagination in speech is the lost (apparently on you) art of rhetoric, one of the "trivium" in classic liberal arts education. Its value is in an aesthetic presentation of logic. [Edited grammar]
OTOH, a cliche is a trite or overused expression or idea.
BTW, please don't mix my words. I said, "sophistication and imagination" and used "intelligence" in a different sentence.
Alex Cutter said:
Vulgarity is not a cliche. Vulgarity is a descriptor. According to The American Heritage Dictionary, "vulgarity" is an aesthetic offense--something to which I would think Mac users would be sensitive. (The definition reads: "Something, as an act or expression, that offends good taste or propriety.")
The use of sophistication and imagination in speech is the lost (apparently on you) art of rhetoric, one of the "trivium" in classic liberal arts education. Its value is in an aesthetic presentation of logic. [Edited grammar]
OTOH, a cliche is a trite or overused expression or idea.
BTW, please don't mix my words. I said, "sophistication and imagination" and used "intelligence" in a different sentence.
thes said:
While this may be true for atomic functions, running multiple applications simultaneously will still see a great benefit. I dont know about you, but when Im waiting for code to compile, animation to render, movies to encode, or any other long winded task do you just walk away from the computer? I dont, I continue using the machine while it remains silky smooth. This benefit should not be overlooked in my opinion and is a primary reason why I have run with a dual cpu setup for the past several years. Ahhhh, creamy goodness.
xenotaku said:
You will be able to play HD content!
The screen will support 16:9 for 720P and the GPU will handle H.264 compression of HD content.
What do you want?
Are you looking for 1080P support. There is hardly any content avaiable for 1080P yet?
Also until 10.5, the OS X GUI isn't scalable. If the screen gets anymore Hi-Res than the current resolution you won't be able to read the screen fonts.
Aesthetics
Sorry. I agree with you. The simplicity and elegance of Apple's design is very appealing to me. I just want solid hardware to go with it. They are very close to what I want with this model, but I would prefer perhaps a higher-end consumer model (~Intel iBook) for my purposes.
thes said:
Sorry. I agree with you. The simplicity and elegance of Apple's design is very appealing to me. I just want solid hardware to go with it. They are very close to what I want with this model, but I would prefer perhaps a higher-end consumer model (~Intel iBook) for my purposes.
I read about these a while back. If the new batteries and chargers are based on this "rapid charge" technology... I won't mind if the max usable battery life is "only 3 hours" (seriously, how many people out there have a decently well equipped 15" albook and get over 2.5-3 hours on a charge?) if I only have to be plugged in for 10 minutes to get an 80% charge.Randall said:
That WOULD explain the 85w power adapter too...
There are several things I don't like about the MacBook...
Before I even get to that, can anyone explain why the equivalent 15" PB is the identical price? What incentive is there for me to buy any of the PPC PBs if I can get 4x the performance (even if it's only 2x real-world) by going x86? That's just plain bad planning. Now they're gonna be stuck with a boatload of PPC PBs (especially the 15" one).
I see no reason for them to effectively withdraw FireWire 800 from the market. And, as others have mentioned, why aren't there MORE USB ports? What, does Steve still hold a grudge over USB winning out over FireWire?
Since Apple is now producing (so to speak) an "x86 notebook", they'd better start being feature-competitive with other notebooks. Yes, arguably they've got a much better graphics card than most notebooks do, but unless you're a gamer who uses a notebook, I'd think more ports, not less, would be the way to go.
I also think Apple should have further cosmetically changed the new PB to differentiate it from the PPC PBs. But, that's just me, I suppose.
Before I even get to that, can anyone explain why the equivalent 15" PB is the identical price? What incentive is there for me to buy any of the PPC PBs if I can get 4x the performance (even if it's only 2x real-world) by going x86? That's just plain bad planning. Now they're gonna be stuck with a boatload of PPC PBs (especially the 15" one).
I see no reason for them to effectively withdraw FireWire 800 from the market. And, as others have mentioned, why aren't there MORE USB ports? What, does Steve still hold a grudge over USB winning out over FireWire?
Since Apple is now producing (so to speak) an "x86 notebook", they'd better start being feature-competitive with other notebooks. Yes, arguably they've got a much better graphics card than most notebooks do, but unless you're a gamer who uses a notebook, I'd think more ports, not less, would be the way to go.
I also think Apple should have further cosmetically changed the new PB to differentiate it from the PPC PBs. But, that's just me, I suppose.
darwin022 said:
Good point - if it took only a fraction of the time to recharge, this wouldn't be too bad at all...
Yes. And I think that the 3 hours charge life is based off of not having any of the power saving features enabled.darwin022 said:
Of course, the problem with this reasoning is that it overlooks the fact that Apple is embracing HD format, yet now they've handcuffed themselves.El Duderino said:
Oh, and have you tried using any of the iApps with an external drive? They won't freakin' let you!
Thanks Professor! You pulled out all of your big words for that one!Val-kyrie said:
BTW, by writing "Vulgarity..." I was referring to the entire phrase -- not the particular word (but of course, you already knew that). And, that phrase, which everyone has heard 100 times by the time they're 10 years old, clearly fits the definition of "cliche".
I tend to concur with others who have stated that they feel like we have yet to see the real Intel notebook. I think Steve just wanted to get something out the door several months earlier to please his ego, inflate the RDF, and keep Wall Street happy. I think we'll see the true "screamers" in a few months. This is just an appetizer.
grahamtriggs said:
Uh.. when I say "Crash" on my pc laptop.. I mean absolute Crash.. total wipeout.*I had to format the drive and reinstall everything.. k? Yeah.. the beachball on safari or mail lasts for a couple of seconds.. especially when my mailbox is so darn huge with thousands of mail messages. I don't even want to talk about microsoft outlook on my pc laptop.. one fine day it just stopped working.. wouldn't import mail anymore.. so there.
I want something thats reliable.. that I don't have to 'update' or format the drive, etc. just to keep it running. Thats the reason I have a mac..
And, you talk about ".Mac" updates and compare it to windows anti-virus updates? Are you serious? .Mac offers SERVICES such as storage, file management, backups, antivirus, etc. I dont even subscribe to .mac.. why do you? Without windows anti-virus.. a pc will get hacked.. so don't make lame comparisons!
grahamtriggs said:
Yuk? To the backlit keyboard? Everyone of my clients or friends who have seen this feature think its the most beautiful thing ever. And yeah, we do work in the dark at times.. on a flight when the lights are out. Duh. I don't know how the heck you can say "Yuk" to a backlit keyboard..
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