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PowerbookG31991 said:
You're right! I think it would be an insult to call the MacBook Pro another Powerbook.

The only two things that have been removed from the PowerBook is Dual Layered support and a FireWire Port (+Modem, although you can hardly call that a 'pro' feature). The FireWire can be added using an extension card through the expansion slot. As for the Dual Layered support, I think Apple's made a mistake.

But in return, you get a much faster processor, a camera and a slightly bigger screen.

In other words, apart from the DVD DL writer support, the computer is a much improved version of the PowerBook, for exactly the same price!

How would it then be an insult?
 
yankeefan24 said:
Does anyone know when in February the Macbooks are shipping, and if it is likely that if i wait until friday it would be into march or something. please help. want to get it ASAP but need to think some more time.


Mine is listed as on or before Feb 15th [Shipping to Canada]
 
digitalbiker said:
Also it is going to cost a lot to repurchase pro apps for x86 therefore it is my oppinion that it is currently better to wait. Wait for new version pro x86 apps and even better intel hardware.
I don't know if this is relevant to your situation, but Apple said they will update your software for $49 if you own the most current version (of their pro app/s).
 
thes said:
Basically, in order to really take advantage of the Dual Core, you need applications that has code compiled to run certain tasks in parallel to each other. As the translated programs are not compiled for Intel processors, there is a good chance that the Rosetta translator would not know how to make use of the two processors.

Of course, I might be underestimating the power of Rosetta, but in my view, it is very unlikely to really take advantage of the two cores.

Dude. Basically you are flipping a coin. It’s just as likely to HAVE it then not. And considering that the first two x86 Macs out of the gate are dual core I'm guessing it does. thank about it a second. Apple has spent all this time developing , or codeveloping this program with the obvious intention that future Macs are going to be dual core. (With the possible exception of the no pro hardware.) why would they not take advantage of this?
 
afields said:
So would it be pointless for me to purchase this in February when logic pro and other pro apps won't be ready until march? Right? Anyone buying this now would be without the pro apps until march....

atleast march, maybe later... then there is the working out of bugs.
 
Val-kyrie said:
Vulgarity is evidence of a lack of ability to express oneself with sophistication and imagination. Rather plebeian. And I thought the average Mac user had a higher intelligence than the average PC user.

Relax. I merely responded to a question from another poster. The original remark was not mine so I am not sure why you took the time to reply to me instead of the person who actually used the term? And here I thought the average Mac user had more important things to do with their time...
 
digitalbiker said:
Also it is going to cost a lot to repurchase pro apps for x86 therefore it is my oppinion that it is currently better to wait. Wait for new version pro x86 apps and even better intel hardware.
from the keynote address, it appears that at least SOME pro apps won't cost that much to go Intel:

10:18 am Pro apps will be universal in March. Final Cut, Aperture, Pro. If you have the latest version, you can trade in your disc for a universal disc for $49.
 
This new MacBook Pro looks great! Someone may have already asked this, but why isn't there a 17-inch model? You would think pro users want the most screen real estate they can possibly get. Or maybe the MacBook Pro was rushed for the expo and a 17-inch model is on the way? Either way, I am jealous of the new notebook, especially the fact that is has a dual-core chip inside! :eek:
 
SiliconAddict said:
Dude. Basically you are flipping a coin. It’s just as likely to HAVE it then not. And considering that the first two x86 Macs out of the gate are dual core I'm guessing it does.

no, i'm saying its much more likely not to take any decent advantage of the Dual Core.
 
PowerbookG31991 said:
You didn't look hard enough:

"Accelerated MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264 decoding and transcoding"

look at, http://www.ati.com/products/RadeonX1600/specs.html


See above. After ati.com
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Edit: I see that you saw, that I saw... :D
 
This great new laptop and no firewire 800. Im disapointed. I have a perfectly good lacie 500 gb firewire 800 disk for my video editing and I have to use firewire 800 if I buy this notebook. but damnit I still want one.
 
MacBook Pro

Can't wait to get a second revision of thoses in September...

Unless... they could release some sort of quad duo 2.0ghz Powermacs ... :p (4x4ghz)

This is just the start, it is extremly tempting to get those macbooks pro, but they are going to perfect them later this year, and they will reach above 2ghz duo, perhaps 2.5. And even better, the sofwares will be ready then.

The new imacs also kick ass... Sad thing you cant get thoses specs in a mac mini with an external monitor.


This is realy a good time to get a fellowship...
 
thes said:
How would it then be an insult?

The Powerbook is known as Apple's high-end laptop model, and if this MacBook "Pro" is at the same price as the Powerbook, yet has less features (like the duel layer burner and the firewire port).
It is not worth for what it is, because there are other laptops not made by apple and they are cheaper than this.
 
danny_w said:
from the keynote address, it appears that at least SOME pro apps won't cost that much to go Intel:

10:18 am Pro apps will be universal in March. Final Cut, Aperture, Pro. If you have the latest version, you can trade in your disc for a universal disc for $49.

Yeah, at least some of these will be less expensive and it sounds like Adobe is going to syncronize the universal binary with the next big release of Creative Suite so you get the x86 conversion and a new upgrade at the same time.

Everybody is saying March but the Apple store says available March 31, 2006. That sounds a lot like the begining of April to me.
 
PowerbookG31991 said:
The Powerbook is known as Apple's high-end laptop model, and if this MacBook "Pro" is at the same price as the Powerbook, yet has less features (like the duel layer burner and the firewire port).
It is not worth for what it is, because there are other laptops not made by apple and they are cheaper than this.

I'll take 2 less features for a more robust powerful computer anyday of the week. The new MacBook pro also has a graphics card that shames the old 9700 in the last gen. Tradeoffs, its all about tradeoffs.
 
PowerbookG31991 said:
The Powerbook is known as Apple's high-end laptop model, and if this MacBook "Pro" is at the same price as the Powerbook, yet has less features (like the duel layer burner and the firewire port).
It is not worth for what it is, because there are other laptops not made by apple and they are cheaper than this.

You're welcome to get a laptop by another manufacturer... but I doubt you will get a much cheaper laptop with the same features and specification... and it won't run MacOS X - which is the main reason why people consider Macs.

As for 'less features', you could similarly argue that the PowerBook has 'less features' than the MacBook Pro - its has a much less powerful processor. If you really need the DVD DL support, then dont get this laptop; but to say ALL pro users need a firewire 800 port and DVD DL support is simply incorrect.
 
Alex Cutter said:
That isn't an accurate assumption to make.

The way Jobs phrased things also concerns me. He didn't say anything about 1/2 speed, or "slower", or make any sort of relative comparison. He said that pro users wouldn't find the speed sufficient. That's a pretty damning statement for someone prone to embellishing.

Again, this all depends on your definition of "pro user" and "usable".


Well I'm working under the assumption that a pro user is someone that is using Photoshop for print or film. If that's the case the powerbook, in any iteration wouldn't cut it. It might be useful for some quick edits or field work. But for really serious work, a laptop is sorely lacking. A business that depends on this stuff isn't going to get its artists/designers laptops. They just don't cut it. And frankly, a business isn't going to even consider an intel mac of any type for at least a year, other than for testing.

However, I do think the powerbook and photoshop would be ok if you were doing web based or purely digital stuff. And yes, people that do that kind of work are pro users too. ;)

Anyway, all this will be straightened out in a couple of months when they actually start shipping these things and the benchmarks come out. And when photoshop gets native, there's no question it will be faster than any g4 powerbook. So the real question is when will photoshop be native. Cause that sounds like the day you should seriously consider upgrading.
 
thes said:
The only two things that have been removed from the PowerBook is Dual Layered support and a FireWire Port (+Modem, although you can hardly call that a 'pro' feature). The FireWire can be added using an extension card through the expansion slot. As for the Dual Layered support, I think Apple's made a mistake.

But in return, you get a much faster processor, a camera and a slightly bigger screen.

In other words, apart from the DVD DL writer support, the computer is a much improved version of the PowerBook, for exactly the same price!

How would it then be an insult?

Built in modem is a minor show killer for me. I can't tell you how many times I have needed that modem during field work for email, file transfers, faxing, and phone monitoring.
 
Wow, im seeing a lot of complaints over things that arent that big of a deal.

a) Firewire 800? except for a few people that maybe need it for an external hard drive in case of some hardcore video editing, what else do u really need that type of speed for. Besides the fact that I havent seen hardly anything thats supports FW800.

b) DL DVD burner, ok they kinda dropped the ball on that one, but big deal they prolly took it out to save on cost, size and power consumption...get an external if you really care that much.(if you can afford to pay $2500 for a computer, you can afford a peripheral, if you cant justify buying one yourself then you prolly didnt need it to begin with)

The way I see it is if you really hate this new computer than you still have the choice of getting much slower one for the same price. I still have a semester before I'll be forced into getting a Mac therefor I see no problem in waiting to see what bugs are found and weeded out by you Rev. A guinnie pigs. ~cheers~:p
 
macidiot said:
Well I'm working under the assumption that a pro user is someone that is using Photoshop for print or film. If that's the case the powerbook, in any iteration wouldn't cut it. It might be useful for some quick edits or field work. But for really serious work, a laptop is sorely lacking. A business that depends on this stuff isn't going to get its artists/designers laptops. They just don't cut it. And frankly, a business isn't going to even consider an intel mac of any type for at least a year, other than for testing.

However, I do think the powerbook and photoshop would be ok if you were doing web based or purely digital stuff. And yes, people that do that kind of work are pro users too. ;)

Anyway, all this will be straightened out in a couple of months when they actually start shipping these things and the benchmarks come out. And when photoshop gets native, there's no question it will be faster than any g4 powerbook. So the real question is when will photoshop be native. Cause that sounds like the day you should seriously consider upgrading.
Fair enough. But I've been doing very informal survey/fact checking on the net about Rosetta's speed, and the consensus seems to be that it "emulates" at G3 speed, and doesn't utilize multi-core/processors. But no one seems to know for sure.
 
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