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Apple Releases the MacBook Pro
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If I had to venture a guess the battery life is less, in the past Intel processor even the mobile ones used more power than any PPC. I would image they had to add some extra electronics to get the intel chips to work with the rest of the system i bet the overall power consumption is more in this product.
Also they changed the power adapter, neat idea, I like it, wish I had it last year before my kid tripped over my power cord and ripped my laptop out of my hand and broke my display. This cause another problem now of the travel adapters will work with this product. Not even sure if Igo product with the universal tips would work, have to wait an see.
Do not like the idea FW800 is gone, i aways connect my laptop to my desktop and treat it as a extrenal drive to the desktop, transferring files is so fast.
The isight does not swivel, you have to move the display to get the view right this can be a real pain.
Definitely do not like the name, Powerbook is so much better than Macbook. MacBook was orginally considered for the first laptop and was shot down becuase the name seem so obvious and really didn't say much about the product. I think Jobs killed it since it was not his idea.
Also they changed the power adapter, neat idea, I like it, wish I had it last year before my kid tripped over my power cord and ripped my laptop out of my hand and broke my display. This cause another problem now of the travel adapters will work with this product. Not even sure if Igo product with the universal tips would work, have to wait an see.
Do not like the idea FW800 is gone, i aways connect my laptop to my desktop and treat it as a extrenal drive to the desktop, transferring files is so fast.
The isight does not swivel, you have to move the display to get the view right this can be a real pain.
Definitely do not like the name, Powerbook is so much better than Macbook. MacBook was orginally considered for the first laptop and was shot down becuase the name seem so obvious and really didn't say much about the product. I think Jobs killed it since it was not his idea.
I've been informed that due to the release of the intel macs my NDA is no longer valid for my DTK..
So....
This new Macbook is gonna SCREAAAAAMMMMMM
The DTK is a Dothan P4 3.6 with onboard graphics..
It ran faster than the G4 x2 with the exception of 3D graphics..
with that x1600 and the dual core it's gonna kick ass...
I'd buy one..
So....
This new Macbook is gonna SCREAAAAAMMMMMM
The DTK is a Dothan P4 3.6 with onboard graphics..
It ran faster than the G4 x2 with the exception of 3D graphics..
with that x1600 and the dual core it's gonna kick ass...
I'd buy one..
a little dissapointed...
why....?
there's nothing new. core duo, i saw at CES. even on 'budget' brands. apart from the adaptor there's no new apple signature characteristics that traditionally kept a mac laptop a head of the game. osx is still the greatest, but the macbook isn't much further ahead of the pack anymore imo.
i really thought apple would be the only company that would make the most of this 'revolutionary' chip. low heat / power consumption was going to lead to even thinner, lighter, and longer lasting 'high end' laptops. this really feels like what we would have had over a year ago had the g5 gone mobile or apple had gone dual processor on the g4.
does anyone see what i mean...? they really have just replaced the g4. i had hoped there was "all these great things we've wanted to do, but haven't been able to do with the g4/ibm g5", as steve told us. i also thought that apple would have pulled something genius out of the bag, knowing that if (or when) OSX is cracked to run on PC's, they'd need something very slick to keep people buying elsewhere. those new Core Duo Sony's are very very sharp for instance.
hopefully this is just post Macworld blues and actually playing with one in the applestore will relight my apple passion....
ps. i think the iMac is a brilliant package now. puts all it's windows competitors to shame. the perfect example of an apple product.
why....?
there's nothing new. core duo, i saw at CES. even on 'budget' brands. apart from the adaptor there's no new apple signature characteristics that traditionally kept a mac laptop a head of the game. osx is still the greatest, but the macbook isn't much further ahead of the pack anymore imo.
i really thought apple would be the only company that would make the most of this 'revolutionary' chip. low heat / power consumption was going to lead to even thinner, lighter, and longer lasting 'high end' laptops. this really feels like what we would have had over a year ago had the g5 gone mobile or apple had gone dual processor on the g4.
does anyone see what i mean...? they really have just replaced the g4. i had hoped there was "all these great things we've wanted to do, but haven't been able to do with the g4/ibm g5", as steve told us. i also thought that apple would have pulled something genius out of the bag, knowing that if (or when) OSX is cracked to run on PC's, they'd need something very slick to keep people buying elsewhere. those new Core Duo Sony's are very very sharp for instance.
hopefully this is just post Macworld blues and actually playing with one in the applestore will relight my apple passion....
ps. i think the iMac is a brilliant package now. puts all it's windows competitors to shame. the perfect example of an apple product.
Dang this server is busy 
Looks really cool. I wouldn't risk getting a rev. A though, concidering Apples history with rev. A's.
Built in iSight and remote are nice perks. I'm also glad they didn't try changing the appearance, as I think they've pretty much perfected it.
Looks really cool. I wouldn't risk getting a rev. A though, concidering Apples history with rev. A's.
Built in iSight and remote are nice perks. I'm also glad they didn't try changing the appearance, as I think they've pretty much perfected it.
I like the old names too, and different is jarring... but the new name is also good and we'll get used to it.ITASOR said:
Two good reasons for it:
1. Avoids confusion since G4s are still sold too, under the old names. (Which is a GOOD thing: it gives people the choice, if a G4 meets certain better in the short term.)
2. My guess: unifying the laptop line. If the future smaller "PowerBook" was going to end up similar to the future "iBook" anyway, then this makes sense.
A couple other FAQs being asked:
* Run Windows? Undoubtedly. It may be easy to install, it may need special tricks, but it will be done. Apple won't help you--but lots of online info will, shortly. Expect grisly, disturbing photos of iMacs running Windows within a week
I for one don't want Windows making my Mac less secure (like a virus that wipes the HD?) so I'd rather buy some app--like a future VPC--that lets me run Windows in its own virtual environment, limited to its own hardfile.* Battery life: yes, a question we'll want answered. Might be bad news--and looking at other Core Duo laptops may be a clue. But I'm not worried YET: there ARE other explanations. The simplest: Apple just doesn't have the battery tests finished. Maybe they made some little changes and can't post the old results--they need to do fresh tests. Maybe there's some complexity to be ironed out in software, about shutting down one core when on battery. Who knows.
They don't ship for a month. I bet battery life info will appear in Apple.com before then.
very very dissapointed, apple at its worst!!
apple just updates powerbook and imac and they did not even drop the prices!
the powerbook is veyr very expensive!!
but im most dissapointed that there is no intel ibook. id saved alot and waited for a new ibook, nothing! just an expensive powerbook!!!
very very dissapointed that apple did not release an ibook! cant believe this!
apple just updates powerbook and imac and they did not even drop the prices!
the powerbook is veyr very expensive!!
but im most dissapointed that there is no intel ibook. id saved alot and waited for a new ibook, nothing! just an expensive powerbook!!!
very very dissapointed that apple did not release an ibook! cant believe this!
I was rather hoping for a iBook to be released but i guess we cant have everything - does anyone know when that may be released?
The MacBook Pro looks good but a little to far out of my price range!
The MacBook Pro looks good but a little to far out of my price range!
Hi Peace.Peace said:
I can't remember how fast the dual G4 processors were - are you saying it was faster than a dual 1.5Ghz G4? If so how much faster
Benchmarks will be interesting. What else can you tell us now that you couldn't before?
macbook battery same as G4 15" battery.
I checked out the battery for the new macbook (found the part number and did a search on it at apple.com), and it is the same one as the G4 15", so that might give some idea's as to the life of the battery. Anybody have any ideas on the power consumption of the new macbook?
Kimo
I checked out the battery for the new macbook (found the part number and did a search on it at apple.com), and it is the same one as the G4 15", so that might give some idea's as to the life of the battery. Anybody have any ideas on the power consumption of the new macbook?
Kimo
I think Intel were talking about releasing lower-speed (and cheaper) "Core" chips 2-3 months after these. Perhaps then?Austin.xstone said:
GregA said:
great. we can wait till mid 2006, for a crippled Intel chip while the lower priced PC alternatives run on Core DUO chips. apple is fortunate for 2 reasons:
1 - mac heads have invested too much into software, compatible products to switch.
2 - windows is ****.
The new MacBook Pro is not expensive.. they are no more expensive than PBs 6 months ago.
- G4 processors are dirt cheap, Yonah processors are more expensive.
- x4 - 5 times the speed of G4
- far better graphics card
- digital audio out on all models
- larger display
The PowerBooks are slow and showing their age, thus apple had to drop them to CA$23K.
As for iBooks - I'm a bit disappointed, but what processor could they put in there? There are no single core Yonahs yet, only dual.
- G4 processors are dirt cheap, Yonah processors are more expensive.
- x4 - 5 times the speed of G4
- far better graphics card
- digital audio out on all models
- larger display
The PowerBooks are slow and showing their age, thus apple had to drop them to CA$23K.
As for iBooks - I'm a bit disappointed, but what processor could they put in there? There are no single core Yonahs yet, only dual.
anikgol said:
Dave the Great said:
Well, you just gave me some reasons to hold off on my purchase. Until I know the answers to these questions my credit card stays in the wallet.
I want to see answers for Q's 1, 3, 4, 6, and 8.
As for Q #2:
Slot-loading SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
* Maximum Write: 4x DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD+RW, and DVD-RW; 24x CD-R; 10x CD-RW
* Maximum Read: 8x DVD-ROM (single layer); 6x DVD (double layered), DVD-9, DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW, DVD+RW; 24x CD
Looks like no Double-layer support. Bah!
Major disappointment
I thought I might be the only one, but I can see on the thread that there's a lot of disappointment. Ok, props where they're due: the speed is pretty amazing, the power adaptor thingie is pretty cool too, and buil-in iSight pretty much represents a $150 discount (granted, on something some may not invest in to begin with).
BUT...
1) Only marginal size reduction. Reeks of a rush job, as many other signs indicate. And it doesn't matter that it was small to begin with. The iPods were too, but their sizes just got slashed in the last update.
2) Loss of Firewire 800. People have been defending the loss here citing FW800 as something most people don't need. That is just bogus. New tech products are supposed to look ahead, and as FW800 gear prices fell, people would most definitely embrace it. When FW400 first came out, I bet a lot of people said they didn't really need it either. Just like most people don't really need a notebook that is 4 times faster than their current one, or a screen that's brighter. Things are supposed to get better, and in the computer world, offer of a better product plus competition eventually creates demand.
3) Single layer DVD. Next... the new MacBook Express with floppy drive!
4) Battery life. This is a HUGE one. Battery life on the PowerBooks is poor to begin with. After years of perfecting a line, they're coming back with something that may be even worse than what they have now, even on a processor that's supposed to be more economical? If they haven't mentioned it, the gain can't be more than marginal, if not a loss. I'm hoping to eat my words when the stats come in, not because that would make me defend this Frankenstein of a machine, but because it'd give better hopes to what's ahead.
5) The biggest one for me, though, and I recognize it won't be important for many people, is that THIS THING COMES IN THE SAME CASE WE'VE BEEN SEEING FOR YEARS! Someone said it'f fine because they've perfected it. You gotta be kidding me. Great, innovative while still highly functional design is probably Apple's greatest battle flag as of the last few years. It's what kicked the return of Apple with the color iMacs, it's what made the iPod the flagship it is today, and it's what keeps making every iMac cooler than the previous model, and what made the Nano a success where the Shuffle to some degree failed. Nothing is so perfect that it can't be scrapped and built again better than before. We've all come to expect that Apple will wow us with not only the best machines for our needs, but with design to leave everyone else's chins on the ground. Call it curb appeal, call it what you will. It is majorly important, and they definitely did not deliver.
Back to the drawing board, guys. Maybe that July deadline wasn't such a bad idea after all.
I thought I might be the only one, but I can see on the thread that there's a lot of disappointment. Ok, props where they're due: the speed is pretty amazing, the power adaptor thingie is pretty cool too, and buil-in iSight pretty much represents a $150 discount (granted, on something some may not invest in to begin with).
BUT...
1) Only marginal size reduction. Reeks of a rush job, as many other signs indicate. And it doesn't matter that it was small to begin with. The iPods were too, but their sizes just got slashed in the last update.
2) Loss of Firewire 800. People have been defending the loss here citing FW800 as something most people don't need. That is just bogus. New tech products are supposed to look ahead, and as FW800 gear prices fell, people would most definitely embrace it. When FW400 first came out, I bet a lot of people said they didn't really need it either. Just like most people don't really need a notebook that is 4 times faster than their current one, or a screen that's brighter. Things are supposed to get better, and in the computer world, offer of a better product plus competition eventually creates demand.
3) Single layer DVD. Next... the new MacBook Express with floppy drive!
4) Battery life. This is a HUGE one. Battery life on the PowerBooks is poor to begin with. After years of perfecting a line, they're coming back with something that may be even worse than what they have now, even on a processor that's supposed to be more economical? If they haven't mentioned it, the gain can't be more than marginal, if not a loss. I'm hoping to eat my words when the stats come in, not because that would make me defend this Frankenstein of a machine, but because it'd give better hopes to what's ahead.
5) The biggest one for me, though, and I recognize it won't be important for many people, is that THIS THING COMES IN THE SAME CASE WE'VE BEEN SEEING FOR YEARS! Someone said it'f fine because they've perfected it. You gotta be kidding me. Great, innovative while still highly functional design is probably Apple's greatest battle flag as of the last few years. It's what kicked the return of Apple with the color iMacs, it's what made the iPod the flagship it is today, and it's what keeps making every iMac cooler than the previous model, and what made the Nano a success where the Shuffle to some degree failed. Nothing is so perfect that it can't be scrapped and built again better than before. We've all come to expect that Apple will wow us with not only the best machines for our needs, but with design to leave everyone else's chins on the ground. Call it curb appeal, call it what you will. It is majorly important, and they definitely did not deliver.
Back to the drawing board, guys. Maybe that July deadline wasn't such a bad idea after all.
I was rather hoping for a iBook to be released but i guess we cant have everything - does anyone know when that may be released?
The MacBook Pro looks good but a little to far out of my price range!
The MacBook Pro looks good but a little to far out of my price range!
This is good news from Apple Today. BUT..
Rev. A= Must wait.
All the new products i bought from apple allways turned out bad. Specially rev.1 models.
My ibooks had problems. Powerbooks had problems. I am not rushing into this new macbook yet.
Why wasn't the Battery life mentioned? This is a big info to leave out.
Rev. A= Must wait.
All the new products i bought from apple allways turned out bad. Specially rev.1 models.
My ibooks had problems. Powerbooks had problems. I am not rushing into this new macbook yet.
Why wasn't the Battery life mentioned? This is a big info to leave out.
lithium polymer battery
After doing some research http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/whatsinside.html i noticed that the new MacBook Pro has a lithium polymer battery unlike the current powerbooks which have a lithium ion battery. I'm not quite sure but i believe this may be the first laptop to have a lithium polymer battery.
After doing some research http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/whatsinside.html i noticed that the new MacBook Pro has a lithium polymer battery unlike the current powerbooks which have a lithium ion battery. I'm not quite sure but i believe this may be the first laptop to have a lithium polymer battery.
stevep said:
Rubbish? It's INSANE
$1999 in the US, £1779 in the UK. That's over $3100 according to xe.com.
My credit card's going back to bed too, particularly with nothing smaller than a 15.4" model - that's too big for a portable IMHO. Roll on the MacBook Amateur...
I don't think Apple had a choice. I mean this in the sense that if they can make these machines look almost identical, it gives some face-validity to their claims about how easy it all is and that it doesn't matter which chip it has.leosantos said:
The more people believe these things are almost identical, the more comfortable existing Mac users will be when switching to Intel... AND people will still be comfortable buying PowerMac G5s. I hoped Apple would do that with their initial Intel releases.
ps. I agree with your 1-4 points.
Looks ok I guess, but like some people have mentioned there is no way I'm getting a Rev A Mactel of any kind.
I'd like to thank all those testers out there in advance.
Here in Australia the top of the line model is $3999 so it's far too expensive for me to justify replacing my 12 month old 12" Powerbook.
Don't forget folks this is the Mac Book Pro so I'd hazard a guess the iBook may be replaced by the Mac Book. Perhaps that will be better than the current line of iBooks and I may consider one of those when they reach Rev C.
I'd like to thank all those testers out there in advance.
Here in Australia the top of the line model is $3999 so it's far too expensive for me to justify replacing my 12 month old 12" Powerbook.
Don't forget folks this is the Mac Book Pro so I'd hazard a guess the iBook may be replaced by the Mac Book. Perhaps that will be better than the current line of iBooks and I may consider one of those when they reach Rev C.
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