I have a Mac Pro at work if a Drobo is that big, they are doing wonders with their marketing photos
The Mac Pro is overkill for almost any task
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The Mac Pro is overkill for almost any task
GT200 is basically End of Life against the 5850 and the prices are going to for less performance.
They're betting on GT300, someday.
GT200 is basically End of Life against the 5850 and the prices are going to for less performance.
They're betting on GT300, someday.
Whats going to happen to nVidia I wonder?
G300 is nowhere in sight. They've left the chipset market. SLI looks like it might go bye bye too. They're essentially killing off the Tesla/Quadro market.
nVidia is seeing a slight resurgence in 40nm GT 2xx OEM parts. They're dirt cheap to make at that process size and if you look at retail they're horrifically overpriced against the 9600-ish products and the HD 46xx.
They've given up with the GT200 so prices are going to up as stocks go down. Vendors can't order anymore new ones.
After the 8M Series disaster they've been blacklisted for mobile GPUs by many vendors.
It's a mess but it looks like they're waiting for GT300 to come out. ATI is raking in ever dollar they can on the HD 5000 Series. The 5750 and 5770 have higher availability right now so they're becoming very popular in Crossfire situations.
There you go yet again - twisting things and changing what you said. Now you say "Major" viruses, You neglect to mention Win 98, ME and 2000 in your little list of fully updated = no virus issue Windows. So all this time that Windows tells you to install antivirus/malware/spyware software - well there is no need, it was all a lie - so even Microsoft making said software and giving it away - was all a lie - not needed.
I'm not confused
but I feel you are mis-reading deliberately - I didn't mean the viruses from back then were the same type as now. Although I do think you are confusing viruses with malware. And as for you remaining a troll - well its not for criticising Apple. I'm all for positive criticism, but yours remains in the extreme negative, neither constructive nor helpful.
MorphingDragon explains quite eloquently why you're a troll, I would point to the number of times you've been given time outs for being abusive as back up for this which doesn't include the rather racist comments you've made too.
Most companies dont even offer them here.
That explains the low stock form the Wholesaler.I didn't know they were actually blacklisted. No wonder why all I see is ATi radeon graphics plastered everywhere.
At the nVdia event, all they had of the G300 was the engineering 200x model.
You're the first person to notice.
Dell and HP are the big vendors with the GT 2xx series on their towers and slim desktops.
It's only going to get worse. The 4870/4890 rule under $200 and the 5850/5870 take care of the rest of the line short of the dual-GPU GTX 295.
Dell has done a complete blacklist short of a few Quadro options on the business notebooks. You're only going to see a few GeForce 100M or 200M options around.
That non-working sample was a PR disaster. 1.7% and wood screws all around.
I wish I lived in Japan just to get her special windows 7 theme. I hope someone puts it up for download.
I believe it's OEM and our appropriate keys will work in their version of Windows. I hear some people are trying to dump all the special content though. Audio and wallpaper from what I know but there's bound to be more.
It's a limited edition as well.
I purchased a 21.5" base model at the *Austrian* Apple online store (for my dad who lives in Austria) and got a "your item has shipped" notice within hours of placing the order. They really seem to have their act together this time.
I think the new machines are gorgeous and the specs are fantastic.
Apple's lineup for the holidays is great this year, except for that they seriously need to EOL the 30" cinema display and introduce 27" and 32" LED-backlit displays at much lower price points.
I think the new machines are gorgeous and the specs are fantastic.
Apple's lineup for the holidays is great this year, except for that they seriously need to EOL the 30" cinema display and introduce 27" and 32" LED-backlit displays at much lower price points.
Come on, did you know that Snow Leopard actually fixes the hardisk bugs which increase the HDD capacity?
Meaning, you get nearly 99.5% usable HDD space e.g. my mbp pro has a 320 gb hdd, on Leopard the usable space was only 290 gb and now 319.73 with Snow Leopard!!!
That extra bit of HDD space of SL required is not a question here.
Your argument about HDD, once again showed your lack of understanding in Mac OSX typically Snow Leopard.
I think I'm clear here.
I own a Mac. Which lead to my disliking of Macs. I own and like several iPods, and I like my iPhone even though AT&T's service is literally the worst in southern California.
Because a server processor is exactly what you want to use for Photoshop or editing video, right?
It's not that difficult to build a Core i7 box for under $1,000 that will have 95% of the CPU power of that $3,000 Mac Pro, and will also have GPU power that would put that same Mac Pro to shame.
As I've stated many times, Apple uses EDGE LIT LED backlit displays. They offer NO visual quality improvement compared to CCFL. NONE. ZERO.
"The closest thing Dell has"? Excuse me, that display is spec'ed higher than anything Apple offers. Other than the resolution, that monitor has a MUCH higher contrast ratio, the color reproduction is MUCH higher than any Apple display, the response time is less than half of Apple displays.. I mean, you really hurt your own argument by posting that display. You're showing just how much better products are outside of the Apple world.
Oh that monitor also has HDMI
You know what else is good about that monitor? It has a guarantee that it won't even have one bad pixel. Try returning a Mac as "defective" for having one bad pixel and enjoy that restocking fee while you're at it.
Did you also happen to take a look at the coating on the Dell display? Yup, thats right. It's a matte display! Good job hurting your own argument
It takes all of what? 15 minutes to throw a computer together? The last one I built, with two optical drives, two HDDs, an add-in GPU as well as an add-in TV Tuner and soundcard literally took 15 minutes from parts in boxes to powering up. Everything was properly connected, jumpers set accordingly, etc.
So for half the cost of the current iMac I can get a faster system. For about 1/3 the cost of the Mac Pro, I get very similar CPU speed with a speed difference thats negligible, and I get GPU power thats several times more powerful. All it takes is about is about an hour of my time total.
Don't give me that "in my field my time is worth " nonsense, because you're not on the clock 24 hours a day.
Even still, no person's time is worth $2,000 an hour, the amount you'd save by going with a self built PC over a Mac Pro.
At all of Apple's price points, DVD is already laughed at
Not if you're talking about Apple's HD downloads. Then properly upscaled DVDs are better.
Plus streaming HD video has a ton of DRM and is extremely limited. You either need very specific devices, like Apple TV, Xbox360, Roku, or you need expensive pay TV service like cable, FiOS, or satellite combined with an internet connection.
Dead end technology like laserdisc? Laserdisc was about 20 years old in the US when it died. It survived for another few years in other countries.
Not only that but, as others and myself have stated, blu-ray is being adopted faster than DVD was. And when DVD was introduced, the market was in dire need of a new format.
What technical problems? How is it not as "smooth" as DVD?
When I got my dedicated blu-ray player I plugged the power and HDMI cables in and turned it on. It asked me my TV resolution and if my receiver could decode the new audio formats and, if not or I wasn't sure, it could decode them for me and send the uncompressed PCM over the HDMI cable. No more difficult than setting up my first DVD player.
And movies are NOT "very expensive". Thats a flat out lie that continues to be spread by Apple fans. Blu-ray discs now, at 3 years into its lifespan, cost THE SAME as DVDs did, if not a little bit cheaper. I remember in the year 2000 walking into stores and buying movies for around $20, the same as blu-ray discs now. DVDs were available online then for $15-20, the same as blu-ray discs now.
Blu-ray players and blu-ray discs are no more expensive now than DVD discs and players were in the year 2000. That is a fact.
Recordable media is expensive, but nobody really cares about writable formats any more.
And, once again, blu-ray is being adopted at twice the rate DVD was. Don't forget it took DVD SIX full years to finally achieve 51% marketshare. At 2.5 years DVD had 4%. Blu-ray had 8%.
Digital distribution is years and years, if not more than a decade away from even getting close to the kind of market share that blu-ray currently has.
First you have the issue of quality. Downloadable movies, even 1080p on Xbox360 downloads, are way behind discs in terms of quality. The 720p downloads don't even compete with upscaled DVDs, and the 1080p downloads don't even begin to compete with overly compressed 1080i cable "On Demand". The standard definition releases don't even look as good as DVDs on a standard definition display and have lower quality audio.
How is that true when blu-ray is being adopted at twice the rate DVD was?
SACD failed for a ton of reasons. One being price. It took a good 5 years for SACD players to finally come down in price to where your average person could buy one. When SACD was launched in 1999, SACD players were sold for a couple thousand dollars a piece. I remember looking at Sony's website and seeing one retailing for $2,499.
Another reason SACD failed is because it didn't have the label support. Even 5 years in, SACD had very few releases and most were classical or jazz or some "classic" remaster like Pink Floyd. The number of "mainstream" releases on SACD was less than 100.
And by the time SACD was finally priced reasonably, people had already grown accustomed to downloading music off the internet. There were no car SACD players, computers couldn't rip the HD layer. SACD and DVD Audio both failed for so many reasons.
Again, blu-ray is nothing like them. Blu-ray is being adopted at twice the rate DVD was adopted.
Again, blu-ray is being adopted at twice the rate DVD was adopted. Blu-ray movie sales are going up by the week while DVD sales plummet. People ARE jumping on blu-ray because they CAN see the difference.
Technically speaking as well, the resolution jump between DVD and blu-ray is actually greater than the jump from VHS to DVD. VHS to DVD went from about 77k pixels to just over 300k pixels. DVD to blu-ray is 300k to 2MP. Not only that, but you're going from standard 448kbps Dolby Digital audio to lossless and sometimes completely uncompressed audio.
Doesn't change the fact that OS X fell first and fell fast and hard.
See, Mac OS can't do it AT ALL. If I go buy a blu-ray drive for my PC right now it will come with the decrypting software (like PowerDVD or WinDVD), and Windows already has the framework in the form of DXVA to allow for full bitstream decoding of video on the GPU.
Mac OS has no support for blu-ray in anyway. It has no full bitstream decoding support and there is no way to decrypt the discs on OS X.
Even when it comes to regular video playback, OS X does NOT support bitstream decoding of video. So your H.264 files and even old MPEG-2 DVDs eat up way more CPU time in OS X than they do in Windows 7.
Hate to break it to you, but most games are multi-platform these days.
Of it is ported from a console, it receives a MASSIVE upgrade for the PC platform, like GTA4.
Yes. And developers have had access to those builds of Snow Leopard with OpenCL support for how long now? Thats what I was saying.
Such as?
Flash would benefit from Apple not having awful OpenGL support. Flash in Windows takes only a fraction of the CPU time it does in OS X thanks to proper hardware support.
I asked that question about the Playstation2 because it shows that any organization that uses a low-end game console as a "super computer" has no credibility.
So you don't like Synthetic Benchmarks, yet you pride the PS3's ability to be fast in situations that are exactly like synthetic benchmarks.
Oh yeah, my old low-end GeForce 8400M GS spits out more completed units in F@H than the PS3 does in the same time frame.
Because benchmarks that are GPU limited show the speed of a CPU!
Good way of avoiding the facts there.
Absolutely none of that is true. Don't make up a bunch of nonsense to make me look bad. It fails miserably.
Wrong again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort "Optional; 1-8 channels; 16, or 24-bit linear PCM; 48, 96, or 192*kHz sampling rate; uncompressed; max. 6.144*Mbit/s"
DisplayPort DOES support audio, but not the same bit rate or codecs as HDMI does. Apple could have included audio support, but they chose not to.
Read around this forum. Plenty of people posted pictures comparing HP's older laptop lines with the unibody Macs a year ago.
Because all it takes is people realizing you're ripping them off. When people do, the small number of customers you had will disappear.
Again, look around this forum. You'll find that owning an Apple product and a Bose product go hand in hand.
Windows 2000 is Windows NT.
Windows 98 and Windows ME never had any major virus issues. Not anywhere close to what Apple claims. At least Windows 98 (and 95, and earlier versions of NT) had pre-emptive multi-tasking. When did Apple finally get it? Oh yeah, the end of the year 2000.
Oh, and don't forget that Apple recommends anti-virus and security software as well. If you want to try to say "Windows DEMANDS IT" you can't overlook the fact that Apple's own product pages suggest security software just as strongly as Windows does. Don't forget that, starting with Leopard, (again) every app you download and try to install results in a warning from the OS.
The only thing misleading would be Apple's ads and the things that come out of Apple fan's posts regarding Windows
Actually, those two time outs were for heated debates with Polaris, who got them as well. Not for anything else.
I hope you're being sarcastic. Because what you said couldn't be any further from the truth.
HDD manufacturers, for the last decade or so, have measured drives as 1000MB = 1GB, while the OS has shown 1024MB = 1GB. Apple simply changed that. Thats all. There were not any bugs
Correction, Mac OSX was attacked first. Theres a lot more cred to be had in haven an e-phallus contest with Apple's ad.
Just to be a bit nud tuff but isnt bitstream up to the drivers not the OS? There is Mac OSX BD decoding software but since there isn't an HDCP screen its a bit of a moot point. PavTube a ripper, so there is proof of your decoding. (Cant be effed searching google)
Across consoles. The PS3/360/Wii, has a lot more 'next gen' exclusives each than the PC does, If you want it that way.
You mean like how Assasins creed got a massive upgrade? Or how DMC4 got a massive upgrade? Some get extra textures but a lot end up being crap.
Snow Leopard builds weren't legally available to the general public. So by your logic everybody should know .Net 4 because its been around long enough through developer builds.
Hmm, .net, GCD, OpenCL(Yes you can use it for multithreading), Queuing. Just off the top of my head. All of them are more abstracted hence easier to code for.
Thats nice. I'd call them crazy too.
Synthetic benchmarks are preset. The result are known. All it is is doing preset calculations and recording a score. Simulations, a set of parameters are set but the result is unknown. So the calculations could lead the CPU anywhere.
Good way of avoiding the point there.
Microsoft is just as bad as creating artificial need and you know it. A typical customer, "Why would I want DocX?" Want VBA on a Mac? Oh wait there is none. They took it out. Gee I wonder why.
He says while going out of his way to make people HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW look like they're a bunch of losers. And yes I am going out of my way to have a "conversation" with you. I love constructive criticism, I even sat through a 2 hour lecture from my scholarship teacher about where my coding style is flawed. You're just pure bashing.
Fine I admit, I didn't know that. But the point of mDP was to make it smaller. Having Audio channels probably would of made it the same size. If you think it was purely for Apples gain, ATi is developing tech with mDP.
You seriously think Im going to dig around in a forum like this? Any google searches say that the HP Envy looks like the MacBook Pro though.
http://www.t3.com/news/hp-envy-laptops-look-just-like-macbook-pros?=40879
Umm, that was a very elitist comment. People are buying are buying Apple products because they want to. Not because theres some need too.
You're not god, get over it.
So you're expecting me to draw a conclusion for a stereotype from a very small fraction of people.
I'm going to say it now, you're a very prejudiced person.
In the sense that Mac OSX 10.6 Kernel is like 10.1 Kernel?
Good Joke.
Now I'm going to make a remark in the same trolly tone you're using.
Hur Hur, Yea multitasking, when you werent crashing!
I know you dont care what we think but come on, you're more single minded than an Apple fanboy. At least Apple fanboys can whine at their own love thing. It doesn't matter if what you're saying is fact but no one will listen to you if you treat them if you're effin 5. They cant be as stupid as you think if they have a god enough job in which they can buy a mac.
The only thing misleading would be Microsoft's ads and the things that come out of Microsoft fan's posts regarding anything Unix
Fixed
You get my point.
Whos them? Rofl Rofl Rofl.
Look in a mirror man, look in the mirror.
Excuse me, I'm going to go have a life. Cya!
Why Apple don't like BD
Well is it really that strange that Apple don't want BD in their macs?
BD in macs -> people buy BD movies -> people buy less from iTunes Store.
Sure, a lot of countries lack iTunes movies atm, but I'd say it's Apples intention to provide iTunes movies in as many countries as possible.
And sure, you can't compare BD quality with iTunes HD movies but as technology moves forward the quality of iTunes movies will increase. For example, iTunes movies are now in 720p (?) and MS is starting to ship out 1080p movies through Xbox. Of course, the bit rate is waaay to low but as I said, tech moves forward and with faster internet connection comes higher bit rates.
I'm aware of the "pro" users who want to burn their projects and stuff on BD but there is something called external BD writer. Expensive? Yes. Worth it for pro users? Probably.
My point is that Apples main goal in the movie business is to maintain their position as a leading supplier of online movie sevices. With BD in the picture they send out the "go buy physical media" message, which directly undermines their services. They know that physical media (DVD, BD, CD) is going away and instead we get high def movies Online.
So there you have it, why Apple don't like BD. Of course I could be entirely wrong but I hope not.
Well is it really that strange that Apple don't want BD in their macs?
BD in macs -> people buy BD movies -> people buy less from iTunes Store.
Sure, a lot of countries lack iTunes movies atm, but I'd say it's Apples intention to provide iTunes movies in as many countries as possible.
And sure, you can't compare BD quality with iTunes HD movies but as technology moves forward the quality of iTunes movies will increase. For example, iTunes movies are now in 720p (?) and MS is starting to ship out 1080p movies through Xbox. Of course, the bit rate is waaay to low but as I said, tech moves forward and with faster internet connection comes higher bit rates.
I'm aware of the "pro" users who want to burn their projects and stuff on BD but there is something called external BD writer. Expensive? Yes. Worth it for pro users? Probably.
My point is that Apples main goal in the movie business is to maintain their position as a leading supplier of online movie sevices. With BD in the picture they send out the "go buy physical media" message, which directly undermines their services. They know that physical media (DVD, BD, CD) is going away and instead we get high def movies Online.
So there you have it, why Apple don't like BD. Of course I could be entirely wrong but I hope not.
Thinking of Mac Conversion!!
I am going to buy the iMac 27" with core i7 once they are available. But before i do that, i do need some advice.
My History:
I sold my Quad Core , 8GB PC last month in anticipation of new iMacs.
I have been on the PC side since i knew computers existed on earth. I am an enthusiast builder where i build liquid cooled gaming desktops for customers. I just woke up one day and wanted to stop being in Windows and give Mac a try...I have never moved a mouse on a mac desktop, just seen from far (Gorgeous by the way)
My Queries:
1. With the Displayport working as an input on the imac, can i use bootcamp, running windows 7 and connect an external BluRay player and use it ?
2. Can apple add support for BluRay in their next OS update , and have external BluRay Players with DisplayPort ??
3. Cant VLC on Mac play BluRay?
Other Questions
After reading this forum and many others, i have come to realise that OSX does have some bugs too .. how true is that, because i could very easily find solutions to bugs on windows, but mac is a completely different ball game for me.
I am going to buy the iMac 27" with core i7 once they are available. But before i do that, i do need some advice.
My History:
I sold my Quad Core , 8GB PC last month in anticipation of new iMacs.
I have been on the PC side since i knew computers existed on earth. I am an enthusiast builder where i build liquid cooled gaming desktops for customers. I just woke up one day and wanted to stop being in Windows and give Mac a try...I have never moved a mouse on a mac desktop, just seen from far (Gorgeous by the way)
My Queries:
1. With the Displayport working as an input on the imac, can i use bootcamp, running windows 7 and connect an external BluRay player and use it ?
2. Can apple add support for BluRay in their next OS update , and have external BluRay Players with DisplayPort ??
3. Cant VLC on Mac play BluRay?
Other Questions
After reading this forum and many others, i have come to realise that OSX does have some bugs too .. how true is that, because i could very easily find solutions to bugs on windows, but mac is a completely different ball game for me.
As a professional developer I can tell you that means **** when the technical details of a specification aren't finished. That is also the reason that you can count the number of OpenCL books with one hand. It hasn't been finalized until recent. Stable OpenCL drivers hasn't even been released since recent on a number of platforms, etc.
You are aware that the PS3 (CELL) is getting more advanced (harder) units then those that are handled on the GPU ? You can't just compare the two, that is just intellectually wrong.
1. DisplayPort is a primarily computer-to-computer technology at this time. It is not meant to connect devices that don't have video. So, your Blu-Ray player wouldn't connect to your computer via DisplayPort, but it should work.
2. Possibly. The support might already be there, for all we know... just waiting for Apple to activate it. Once again, you misunderstand how DisplayPort works. An external Blu-Ray player will NOT have a DisplayPort connection.
3. Only Blu-Ray video that's ALREADY been decrypted.
4. All OSes have their bugs. Hey, that's what this forum's for! Search first, then ask if your search doesn't find what you seek.