Apple Releases Updated iMac Models With 21.5- and 27-Inch LED Screens

zweigand said:
DUDE. YOU don't get it. Who in the heck buys everything the watch? THEY RENT. I clearly stated above, that the movies that you LOVE …you will likely BUY on Blu-ray. Not only that, but what percentage of the population has multiple HDTVs and Multiple BD players!? Most people have one room they use for cinema. I also stated that HD DOWNLOADS are not going to take off HD STREAMING is. Nobody wants to back up all that data or mess with the DRM.

Also not sure why the heck you brought up streaming to portable devices as a bad example. Streaming is the best answer to getting content on portable devices like the iPhone. Let me know how Blu-ray is going to solve that problem :rolleyes:
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It might surprise you to know that you stating something as a fact, doesn't make it a fact.

iTunes arguably offers both streaming AND download services and last time I checked we are on an Apple forum discussing why Apple did not include a Blu-ray drive on their new computers.

Also, for the record, it is quite easy to make a portable friendly version of a movie file that can play on the iPhone, iPod Touch, etc, from a blu-ray disk.

You are seriously out of your depth on this one, and it shows in the lashing out attacks you make.

Streaming services, which would also include VOD rentals from providers still account for a tiny share of the market and they are not increasing at the type of percentages that Blu-ray adoption is picking up.

Streaming and Blu-ray will coexist for quite some time, as well as with increasing amounts of DOWNLOAD HD content that is locally archived by the user on a set top box, computer, home server, etc.

However, you have periodically tried to claim that most users won't or can't tell the difference between streaming and BD, which is laughable. I don't know anyone, ages 18-50 that can't see and hear an immediate difference between the two.
 
PeterQVenkman said:
I am willing to bet that when Redbox starts to rent Blu-Ray movies at $1 or $2 each, it will hurt Blu-Ray sales in a big way.
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Being "willing to bet" and simply declaring "the majority of the people will NOT be using Blu-ray as their main source of entertainment (and definitely not in their iMacs)," are two completely different things. That guy has no clue what the majority of people will be doing in the future. He can guess, and it may be a good guess, but it sure as hell isn't fact.

Also, Redbox renting Blu-ray discs may ultimately hurt sales... but it will still mean that people are choosing Blu-ray as their medium of choice, and not some crappy internet stream.
 
RebootD said:
The people who I know complain the loudest about DRM on movies are the guys who download MKV and torrent copies for free anyway, this would just make it easier to do so. Why on earth would a company willingly make it easier for people to pirate their films?
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The pirates are pirating and don't give a hoot about DRM for the most part. The people who DRM hurts are honest buyers like myself, who never pirate movies, but would like the ability to make a backup copy of a movie, or play the movie on other devices.

Sorry you have such a hard time getting your head around the idea that there are honest people out there who don't want to have to buy a movie on Blu-ray, DVD and iTunes in order to play it on a few different devices.

Maybe you should go hang out with some RIAA lawyers, sounds like you would fit right in.
 
SirHaakon said:
Also, Redbox renting Blu-ray discs may ultimately hurt sales... but it will still mean that people are choosing Blu-ray as their medium of choice, and not some crappy internet stream.
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Amen, brotha. Until really high speed internet becomes available everywhere, the demand for physical medium will still be there.
 
jmpage2 said:
It might surprise you to know that you stating something as a fact, doesn't make it a fact.

iTunes arguably offers both streaming AND download services and last time I checked we are on an Apple forum discussing why Apple did not include a Blu-ray drive on their new computers.

Also, for the record, it is quite easy to make a portable friendly version of a movie file that can play on the iPhone, iPod Touch, etc, from a blu-ray disk.

You are seriously out of your depth on this one, and it shows in the lashing out attacks you make.

Streaming services, which would also include VOD rentals from providers still account for a tiny share of the market and they are not increasing at the type of percentages that Blu-ray adoption is picking up.

Streaming and Blu-ray will coexist for quite some time, as well as with increasing amounts of DOWNLOAD HD content that is locally archived by the user on a set top box, computer, home server, etc.

However, you have periodically tried to claim that most users won't or can't tell the difference between streaming and BD, which is laughable. I don't know anyone, ages 18-50 that can't see and hear an immediate difference between the two.
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When did I say people can't tell the difference between an HD stream and a BD movie!? I keep saying I can.

Guess time will tell. You guys have fun running to the movie store or waiting for your movies to arrive in the mail.
 
zweigand said:
When did I say people can't tell the difference between an HD stream and a BD movie!? I keep saying I can.

Guess time will tell. You guys have fun running to the movie store or waiting for your movies to arrive in the mail.
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I was excited too about being able to get some stuff streamed from Netflix to my Tivo HD units.

Unfortunately the experience has major issues.

Even with my DOCSIS-3 Cable connection, super fast router, etc, I routinely get pausing and stuttering on the HD Lite content.

It is worse than a commercial break, I'd rather just get the content on disc even if I have to wait a few days for it.
 
jmpage2 said:
In all likelihood we will continue to see streaming technologies improve to the point in which they eventually replace BD. However, it will take not only better audio and video quality for this to happen but also looser DRM standards that allow for things such as customers to burn their own copies of downloaded titles.

I fully expect that BD has a good solid 10 years of life to it at a minimum. BD is the VHS of this generation of home video, meaning it could end up having a total life of close to 20 years.... whether or not streaming advocates want to believe it.
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Agreed.

Streaming also needs, what, 50Mbs speed minimum, near universal availability and much larger download caps to become mainstream.
 
appletastic said:
I agree with most of what you say.. and yes backtracking does look bad, but i also think the backtracking was always planned in advance.. so will bluray maybe, but for this time right now (and when firewire was ditched) it was "right" for the company in some way.. for some reason.

For most people it will not be an issue.. and they will sell loads.. when they add bluray.. or something else (like backtracking onfi rewire) they will sell more.. again. It is just the way the world works. Marketing makes the world go around.

Although firewire on macbook was pure marketing.. I think BluRay on iMac is a bit more complicated than "just" marketing..

Interesting discussion.. and um... maybe I am a FANBOY.. and you are probably one secretly too ;-)
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I make no secret of it myself. :D

The arguments when a PC fanatic I know gloated about the new wireless networking thing that PCs had just got, saying there's something Apple didn't do first. When I pointed out Macs had had it for 3 or 4 years by then but they called it airport, all I got was a "whatever"
 
daneoni said:
Yup
Shame no Blu-Ray to take advantage of all those HD screens and last i heard HD content from the iTunes store isn't...well true HD
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iTunes offers 720p movies, and that's HD-resolution. This talk of "that's not true HD!" is bs.

I don't really understand the need for blu-Ray. Why should I watch movies on my computer when I could be watching them on my tv instead? Ironically blu-Ray would be more useful on a laptop since you might be using that in a place where tv is not am option. But iMac is used at home, and you most likely have atv there as well...
 
Evangelion said:
iTunes offers 720p movies, and that's HD-resolution. This talk of "that's not true HD!" is bs.
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Time for new glasses!

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I don't really understand the need for blu-Ray. Why should I watch movies on my computer when I could be watching them on my tv instead? Ironically blu-Ray would be more useful on a laptop since you might be using that in a place where tv is not am option. But iMac is used at home, and you most likely have atv there as well...
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Look at that graphic. You can film with a consumer camera in 1080p HD, edit on a mac in 1080p HD, but on a mac, the only way to share that video on a medium is in 480p SD.

For shame! That's a lot of thrown out pixels. Think of the pixels! We must save them!
 
jmpage2 said:
The pirates are pirating and don't give a hoot about DRM for the most part. The people who DRM hurts are honest buyers like myself, who never pirate movies, but would like the ability to make a backup copy of a movie, or play the movie on other devices.

Sorry you have such a hard time getting your head around the idea that there are honest people out there who don't want to have to buy a movie on Blu-ray, DVD and iTunes in order to play it on a few different devices.

Maybe you should go hang out with some RIAA lawyers, sounds like you would fit right in.
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Wow insecure a little? I wasn't talking about you specifically just making a point for every person who would legally make backups there are 10k who would just rip and torrent at a faster rate.

If everyone in the world were law abiding citizens who never stole and illegally distributed content on the web companies would stop putting DRM on everything. Pretty sure that will never happen though. (and the rest of us suffer for it)

PS. the RIAA bit makes you look like a child.
 
Delivery already?

My 27" iMac with Core i7, has an updated delivery date when I check it online:

Estimated Shipping: 3 - 5 business days
Estimated Delivery: 03 Nov, 2009 - 06 Nov, 2009

Is that just a "standard" date that Apple has put on the order, or can I trust it?
 
Bubba Satori said:
Agreed.

Streaming also needs, what, 50Mbs speed minimum, near universal availability and much larger download caps to become mainstream.
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Exactly and right now Comcast caps out around 10-15Mbs which isn't even half the speed needed. I guess I'll stick with my 'Bag of Hurt' for now.
 
MartinAyla said:
My 27" iMac with Core i7, has an updated delivery date when I check it online:

Estimated Shipping: 3 - 5 business days
Estimated Delivery: 03 Nov, 2009 - 06 Nov, 2009

Is that just a "standard" date that Apple has put on the order, or can I trust it?
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Sweet! Looks like they are going to show up sooner rather than later.
 
i7 and i5

TheBunnellFarm said:
I actually meant this for you biggie52, maybe both of you could answer this pressing issue for me please. Thank you.
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The core i5 and i7 are mostly the same chip. With the core i5 being at 2.66 ghz and the core i7 being at 2.8 Ghz. The major difference is that the core i7 supports Hyper Threading (H/T) while the i5 doesnt support that. So in laymen terms, whenever the Apps start to make use of multiple cores your i5 will still work as quad core, but the i7 will work as 8 logical cores.
 
I wonder what kind of scores these machines would get in Geekbench.

My hackintosh gets 8685 apparently.
 
biggy52 said:
The core i5 and i7 are mostly the same chip. With the core i5 being at 2.66 ghz and the core i7 being at 2.8 Ghz. The major difference is that the core i7 supports Hyper Threading (H/T) while the i5 doesnt support that. So in laymen terms, whenever the Apps start to make use of multiple cores your i5 will still work as quad core, but the i7 will work as 8 logical cores.
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Honestly the $200 premium to go from the i5 to i7 should be a no brainer if you are a power user.
 
Waste of time to read more on this topic.

It should be Apple releases updated iMac Models....:)

But it turned into Bluray yes or no debate,discusting:eek:
 
MartinAyla said:
My 27" iMac with Core i7, has an updated delivery date when I check it online:

Estimated Shipping: 3 - 5 business days
Estimated Delivery: 03 Nov, 2009 - 06 Nov, 2009

Is that just a "standard" date that Apple has put on the order, or can I trust it?
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Mine still just says, "Ships November"
 
Good Update

These updates exceeded my expectations, but still disappointed me in some ways - no Matte display or Blu-ray Disc

Otherwise finally using desktop parts on a their desktop finally make a computer I can recommend. Now if they can apply the same approach to the Mini we may have a legit lineup.
 
Bossone said:
Why the cheap 4670 card? For what you are paying you think they would put something with more power in it......
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The iMac i5 Quad has a ATI Radeon 4850 card with 512MB RAM as standard, and I'm guessing you can swap the other models to use that card as well if you buy "build to order".
 
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