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I've been visiting Mac Rumours for what seems like forever now, but this is the first time I've ever felt compelled to bitch about something in the forums. Actually, this is the first time I've ever really felt compelled to bitch at Apple, period.

I've been using Macs for about 8 years, after having to lean Shake for a job. As soon as the Intel Macbooks came out, back in the summer of 2006, I shelled out about 1200 bucks and bought a shiny, white, Core Duo Macbook (and then I upgraded the ram and hard drive to 2 gigs/100gigs).

Cutting the long story to a very short one, now it's 2010, Apple has discontinued Shake, seems to be discontinuing Final Cut Pro, and has effectively urinated on it's costumers looking for a serious upgrade to replace their half-working computers (in this case: me). I can't believe that in 4 years, all they can offer is nothing short of a minor spec update... basically doubling the processor speed, ram and hard drive of my machine, adding a graphics card but removing the firewire port in the process.

I don't want to rant on too much about this, because everyone here has heard a variation of this before but this is, in a word: ********. At this rate, it'll be 16 years before they put a terabyte drive in their cheapest laptop, and all of their proprietary software will exist in their App store for their mobile devices, and they won't even bother making anything for their computer line. Photoshop works just as well on a PC, Nuke is cross-platform, Avid has retaken the world, and Aperture just isn't that great.

It's really depressing to watch the company leverage down costs for their iPads, while refusing to do the same for their Macbooks. I have no idea at what point Apple abandoned it's commitment (maybe it never had one?) to "creative professionals" - dumb as that term is - but after years of using Macs, I can't think of one decent reason not to switch back to PCs.

I'm curious:

To those who are really upset about the pricing... how long are you keeping your computers? I imagine that everyone would be happy if the price dropped $100-$200 per machine... over the course of 3 years, that's not even a difference of $70 a year, barely $6 a month... are you guys serious right now? These prices aren't pulled from the air, in fact I'm positive they're doing their best to keep the prices down.

If you have to complain about spending a couple extra hundred for an investment that should last you 3 years, maybe you're not making enough money; maybe you should be trying a little harder, and maybe if you stopped complaining so much you'd get more done and wouldn't have to worry about shelling out the little you make on something you so desperately want...
 
You know it's bad when *LTD* hasn't praised Apple at least 10 times throughout the thread...
 
I've been visiting Mac Rumours for what seems like forever now, but this is the first time I've ever felt compelled to bitch about something in the forums. Actually, this is the first time I've ever really felt compelled to bitch at Apple, period.

I've been using Macs for about 8 years, after having to lean Shake for a job. As soon as the Intel Macbooks came out, back in the summer of 2006, I shelled out about 1200 bucks and bought a shiny, white, Core Duo Macbook (and then I upgraded the ram and hard drive to 2 gigs/100gigs).

Cutting the long story to a very short one, now it's 2010, Apple has discontinued Shake, seems to be discontinuing Final Cut Pro, and has effectively urinated on it's costumers looking for a serious upgrade to replace their half-working computers (in this case: me). I can't believe that in 4 years, all they can offer is nothing short of a minor spec update... basically doubling the processor speed, ram and hard drive of my machine, adding a graphics card but removing the firewire port in the process.

I don't want to rant on too much about this, because everyone here has heard a variation of this before but this is, in a word: ********. At this rate, it'll be 16 years before they put a terabyte drive in their cheapest laptop, and all of their proprietary software will exist in their App store for their mobile devices, and they won't even bother making anything for their computer line. Photoshop works just as well on a PC, Nuke is cross-platform, Avid has retaken the world, and Aperture just isn't that great.

It's really depressing to watch the company leverage down costs for their iPads, while refusing to do the same for their Macbooks. I have no idea at what point Apple abandoned it's commitment (maybe it never had one?) to "creative professionals" - dumb as that term is - but after years of using Macs, I can't think of one decent reason not to switch back to PCs.

I think you have spoken out a lot of people's feelings. But anyway, they're gonna sell like hotcakes. Apple is a consumer brand now, not really for creative professionals anymore.

Re: at what point Apple abandoned its commitment....
When it changed its name from Apple Computer, Inc. to Apple, Inc on 9th January, 2007.
 
The quality of responses to this is abysmal.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

I hardly see how having an i7 isn't cutting edge, or even a 512 gb ssd. You cant complain about 8gb of ram either, especially when you can just buy it yourself. True, the graphics situation is so-so, but its better than the previous generation, and if you're trying to do graphics-card intensive work on a laptop, you're probably stupid or cheap. A 330M with 512mb vram with auto switching > many other options, if you actually want a battery life. It seems like most people forget about this aspect, and just want the best of the best with a crappy thermal overhead and no battery life. It also seems like many people forgot about the whole integrated graphics debacle with nividia...

Prices are out of your range?
Get a job, save money, or go buy a dell, acer, or whatever else.
 
It's really depressing to watch the company leverage down costs for their iPads, while refusing to do the same for their Macbooks. I have no idea at what point Apple abandoned it's commitment (maybe it never had one?) to "creative professionals" - dumb as that term is - but after years of using Macs, I can't think of one decent reason not to switch back to PCs.

With the iPod (and iTunes), iPhone (and app store) as well as the iPad (and app store/iBooks), Apple is increasingly shifting from a computer company to a distributor of digital content...using the sought after hardware to lock in customers. They're throwing more effort into those things that are bringing in the revenue.
 
I haven't seen anybody complain for real yet, so I'm going to do it:

WHERE THE F*CK IS THE MACBOOK AIR UPDATE???

There you go.

(No, honestly, I'm pissed... do you guys think they're going to stop it?)

Who cares? :rolleyes:

Seriously, MBs and MBAs usually are updated separately.

Still iPad on Apple's homepage???
Does it imply the MBP update is not good enough? :D

Unfortunately, it's a clear indication of Apple's current priorities. :(

I have to say the 13" update is extremely disappointing on several fronts, and I'm certainly not unrealistic in my expectations.

I have to agree that the 13" is pretty disappointing. After all, my aluminum unibody Macbook has a 2.4GHz C2D, 4 GB RAM, and a 250GB HD, and it's a year and a half old now.

Well I skip this update. Will Apple ever goes quad-core? I have no desktop and do everything with my Macbook pro, and I run heavy applications like CAD and logic pro. So some find it useless in a laptop but I would really welcome a quad-core.

If your applications would take advantage of a quad-core, then you'd still get a definite boost from the four threads that Arrandale gives you.
 
satisfied

As a first time Mac buyer, I am happy with the update... agreed C2D is old, but look at the value for money on the low end 13" pro for $1,199.00? there are many of us for whom it is still win, win ! -- somebody agree with me:mad: :):D

I have tried reading all posts, but it is still hard, considering the numbers ! :rolleyes:

is the word out on: i5 vs i7 on 15" ? for the price?
 
Ugh

If only windows were as usable as os x.

or better yet, if only apple stopped worrying about cramming more features into their retarded toys (tamPad, itouch) they could worry about cutting the price on their real computers that people use to, you know, create stuff.
 
Haha, I'm feeling so lucky. I got my MacBook Pro 13' EXACTLY 2 weeks ago, just called Apple and they're giving me a full refund, which gives me the option of purchasing a new and updated model =D!
 
Why purchase new at all then? Go refurbished old model or second hand. This attitude to not expect great things and up to date cost/performance ratio is just plain silly. This update hurts apple as a notebook choice and brand. In conclusion it's just another step in the gadget direction.

i always get refurb. of course, it's always been the newest model refurb.
 
The quality of responses to this is abysmal.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

I hardly see how having an i7 isn't cutting edge, or even a 512 gb ssd. You cant complain about 8gb of ram either, especially when you can just buy it yourself. True, the graphics situation is so-so, but its better than the previous generation, and if you're trying to do graphics-card intensive work on a laptop, you're probably stupid or cheap. A 330M with 512mb vram with auto switching > many other options, if you actually want a battery life. It seems like most people forget about this aspect, and just want the best of the best with a crappy thermal overhead and no battery life. It also seems like many people forgot about the whole integrated graphics debacle with nividia...

Prices are out of your range?
Get a job, save money, or go buy a dell, acer, or whatever else.

And quality of your response is excellent :D "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Really? Very fresh thought. It has become a motto of Apple apologists. Did you know that there are different i7 processors? Some have 2 cores (used by Apple) and some have 4 cores whih some people would prefer. And... no BluRay, no USB 3.0, no RGB LED screens, no quad SSDs - not much of an update. Apple laptops have been lagging behind PC counterparts for a while now. Imagine what the gap will be in a year.
 
A bit tempted to get the new 15". The higher resolution will be nice.

I'm getting my entry 15" model (2.4Hz). Personally I prefer the glossy screen, in this case the price with taxes here in Japan will be 168,800 yen or about $1.800.
 
So what would the advantage be to upgrading to the anti-glare hi-res rather than regular hi-res? don't the colors look more vivid on the regular hi-res? what about the speed on the HDD? why is 7200 better than 5400? doesn't that increase the heat? either way, it's a 15" i7 for me =D

For the screen, you kinda answered your own question: anti-glare. Some people don't like glare.

For the hard drive, 7200 means the platters in the hard drive spin around 7200 times a minute while the 5400 spin at, yup, you guessed it, 5400 times a minute. The 7200 rpm one, while it does produce some more heat, the extra rpms mean less time looking for data. How much that would effect you is hard to say; RPMs are not the only factor in hard drive speed. It also depends on how you use it.
 
13 inch here i come...

Ive been waiting for a while and the wait has been worth it for me.

Spewing about no i5s or usb3 (vain hope) but i dont really care lol The 13" had a few updates that im happy about like the 4gb standard ram, better graphics and the $100 cheaper price point (australian).

Its an easy yes for me :)

Hope no one was majorly disappointed
(and if so theres always next update rofl)
 
I have to agree that the 13" is pretty disappointing. After all, my aluminum unibody Macbook has a 2.4GHz C2D, 4 GB RAM, and a 250GB HD, and it's a year and a half old now.

and that cost you how much? I'm going to bet $1,500.



Honestly, I'm not in the market at all for a Macbook right now, let alone any computer, and I'm just puzzled at the negative reactions in this thread. Is this entire forum just turning into a denizen for Apple trolls?

What am I missing here? What did you really think the new Macbook Pro's should have? This update is just about exactly what I would have expected.
 
For all those interested in the performance of the GT330M.
320M is still an unknown but probably close to a 310M.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Welche-Spiele-laufen-auf-Notebook-Grafikkarten-fluessig.13827.0.html
It is German but everybody can read the numbers.

Also they definitely tested 512MB Cards and not 256MB. With most new Games 256 is enough for standard res of 13" MBP but for 1680x1080 I would say 256mb is a joke. There is once again a reason for us to shed out all the money if we think that at 1800$ + we shouldn't make a compromise like this anymore.


I am happy that they are still 16:10 and that you can order 1680x1080 but I was hoping for a more significant GPU upgrade. Also the 13" is somewhat disappointing. Everything else is like expected.
I need to see reviews to know what to make of all this batterylife claims. Especially in the 13" the increased a little too much. That looks like they paired a C2D P series with a GS45 that usually arrives with CULV CPUs. Abysmal IGP performance but definitely less power use than 9400M.
 
Dang... next refresh it is...

I have a first gen unibody MBP and, truth be told, I LOVE this machine. However, I've been wanting to go to a 13" model for a while for a number of reasons.

Apple has managed to drive me crazy here! I know why the 13" machines lack i5s (graphics issue it seems) but... I don't want to change out my C2D for another C2D.

To make matters worse, I had been holding out for a resolution upgrade on the 15s, but broke down and got my unibody. NOW they offer them. I'm glad they finally allow for the automatic switching of graphics now. It was kind of a peeve with the 9600GT/9400M setups (although in all honestly, I rarely switch to the GT anyway).

Too bad Intel has insisted on being such a douche as far as licensing chipsets go, particularly when their graphics offerings are so weak. Furthermore, I wonder what Apple is gonna do on their next refresh. They can't keep using C2Ds indefinitely.

Oh well, probably best they didn't. I don't *need* an upgrade for any reason right now. :p
 
I'm quite happy with these updates!

Just ordered the 2.66 i7 17" with 500GB/7200 HD...

I'd sell off my 2.4 Santa Rosa 15" MBP if I hadn't dropped it and put a minor dent in it a year ago. Guess I have 2 laptops now. :rolleyes:
 
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