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The i7 is better.
Wonder if this http://anandtech.com/show/2902/4 has been fixed.
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Apple Releases Updated MacBook Pros With Core i5 and i7 Processors
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The i7 is better.
Wonder if this http://anandtech.com/show/2902/4 has been fixed.
The Core i7-6xxM models are 2 core, 4 thread processors.
It makes me feel even better with my Late 2007 MacBook.
Unless Apple decides to stop supporting the GMA X3100 to just run OS X.
5-6 hours of mobile battery life on a notebook is enough for me. I understand the penalties incurred for using the CPU and GPU while on the battery. It's also a MacBook Pro. You don't need to patronize your users. Please, tell me how much faster the Core 2 Duo 2.4 and 2.66 GHz processors are compared to the ones last week.
Apple appears to be reinforcing the purchase of older or refurbished models given the ho hum updates.
Didn't mean to patronize, it's just hard getting people to understand the other benefits of a laptop. Longer battery life is nice, as is a lighter chassis, but I wouldn't mind skimping on them for performance while on the go.
The refurbished store is my first stop whenever I visit the Apple Store, especially since Apple's price points haven't changed (for the most part) in years.
You still don't get it. The high price is the actual draw for many. When someone points out how outdated Apple laptops are, they can argue then that those are sore losers who can not afford Apple prices.
You'll want to get an external monitor then - any 1920x1080 / 1920x1200 should do. Thus you'll need the mini-DP to DVI adaptor.
Programming with any modern IDE on a 1280x800 screen can be quite painful, although doable for short periods.
The CPU power in the 13" is fine for programming.
excuse me?
just because you drink the apple kool-aid for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and have the logo tattooed to a body part normally hidden by clothing DOESN'T mean you get to tell others who expect more to shut up. at one time, before corporations became the objects of religious worship, vendors actually responded to customer demand. today, it's the other way around, with some companies tossing scraps to their loyal customers and telling them that they're lucky to get that.
yes, these updates are disappointing. they are simply after thoughts, with apple throwing its customers a bone because they HAD to, in order to keep even the slightest bit competative. so what's not to like? no usb3; no esata; no blu ray (even as an option for crimeny's sake); no ssd's standard; and most importantly, no core i5 on the 13 inch models. you can't really call your products revolutionary, advanced, or magical when they lack features that 90% of your competitors have at the same price point. and given that i can obtain a version of snow leopard that doesn't require genuine apple hardware, you can't even say the os is the defining feature.
now, why is this happening? for different reasons, but it all boils down to where steve jobs wants to position the company, namely as an american Sony, a purveyor of mobile consumer electronics such as mp3 players, phones, tv set top boxes and tablets. and why does mr jobs like these devices so much? because he can make them completely closed environments where even the software you run has to be approved by and purchased through Apple. and i'm sure if jobs could figure out a way to turn back the clock on desktops and laptops, he'd find a way to close up those boxes too. and if there weren't enough evidence of this already given the anemic specs on offer, the dreadful state of bugginess of os x 10.6 upon release and the fact that resources for os x 10.7 are now being cannibalized in favor of iphone os 4 should pretty much complete the picture. apple just isn't that much into to its desktop and laptop offerings anymore, and it shows. apple changed its corporate name from apple computer, inc. to apple,. inc. for a reason. all these updates do is underline the fact and put an exclamation mark at the end of the statement.
just because you drink the apple kool-aid for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and have the logo tattooed to a body part normally hidden by clothing DOESN'T mean you get to tell others who expect more to shut up. at one time, before corporations became the objects of religious worship, vendors actually responded to customer demand. today, it's the other way around, with some companies tossing scraps to their loyal customers and telling them that they're lucky to get that.
yes, these updates are disappointing. they are simply after thoughts, with apple throwing its customers a bone because they HAD to, in order to keep even the slightest bit competative. so what's not to like? no usb3; no esata; no blu ray (even as an option for crimeny's sake); no ssd's standard; and most importantly, no core i5 on the 13 inch models. you can't really call your products revolutionary, advanced, or magical when they lack features that 90% of your competitors have at the same price point. and given that i can obtain a version of snow leopard that doesn't require genuine apple hardware, you can't even say the os is the defining feature.
now, why is this happening? for different reasons, but it all boils down to where steve jobs wants to position the company, namely as an american Sony, a purveyor of mobile consumer electronics such as mp3 players, phones, tv set top boxes and tablets. and why does mr jobs like these devices so much? because he can make them completely closed environments where even the software you run has to be approved by and purchased through Apple. and i'm sure if jobs could figure out a way to turn back the clock on desktops and laptops, he'd find a way to close up those boxes too. and if there weren't enough evidence of this already given the anemic specs on offer, the dreadful state of bugginess of os x 10.6 upon release and the fact that resources for os x 10.7 are now being cannibalized in favor of iphone os 4 should pretty much complete the picture. apple just isn't that much into to its desktop and laptop offerings anymore, and it shows. apple changed its corporate name from apple computer, inc. to apple,. inc. for a reason. all these updates do is underline the fact and put an exclamation mark at the end of the statement.
Anyone getting the 15" with the i7? Hope there aren't any heat issues. Is it worth the cash to upgrade the display to hi-resolution?
Now i have to cough up the cash.... painful exercise but guess i just have to bite the bullet.
I spent close to $ 2.5 grand on a Compaq B3800 XP based laptop like 5 years ago and it lasted me till last month. Was quite happy with that actually.
Hope the MBP lasts me at least 4 yrs. Can't wait to learn OSX.
Now i have to cough up the cash.... painful exercise but guess i just have to bite the bullet.
I spent close to $ 2.5 grand on a Compaq B3800 XP based laptop like 5 years ago and it lasted me till last month. Was quite happy with that actually.
Hope the MBP lasts me at least 4 yrs. Can't wait to learn OSX.
Mail from Steve just now:
He's not really wrong - as has been noted, would you prefer a Core i3 and Intel HD integrated graphics, or to have the NVidia integrated graphics which perform significantly better?
And it's not like this is some low-end C2D - performance-wise, I don't see how a Core i3 would be a major upgrade - a Core i5, maybe......... but probably not at the price point Apple's looking at.
1080p is sooooooo overrated. I think the idea of it appeals to ppl more than the practicality.
Yea, well if you took some time to research the 'kinds/types' of hardware rollouts Apple is all but expected to offer, perhaps you wouldn't be so upset.
This is a VERY typical 'Apple Upgrade' aka 'Hardware Bump'...
When Apple makes any type of 'major platform shift' then sometimes it might be more 'cutting edge' or even 'current edge' but by and large what you are seeing today is right out of Apples playbook. Slightly below average specs with fairly premium prices...
Don't take this the wrong way, I happen to own lots of Apple hardware because I prefer the OS but I make no illusions to Apple being anywhere near the cutting edge in any of its computer products.
If you like the OS you buy the hardware they offer... OR roll your own, if you're up to the challenge and don't mind breaking a few ELUAs but that is not a discussion for this thread.
Mail from Steve just now:
Killer integrated graphics? At least I can play Oregon Trail on max settings.
Are you really comparing your 2006 macbook with the actual 13'' mbp? Are you serious? They come from totally different planet, wake up!
Why the laugh? This graphics kills the owners when they compare their laptops to PCs.
You still don't get it. The high price is the actual draw for many. When someone points out how outdated Apple laptops are, they can argue then that those are sore losers who can not afford Apple prices.
These laptops aren't outdated. Apple has long refresh cycles, so they get outdated later into their cycles.
Killer integrated graphics? At least I can play Oregon Trail on max settings.
Until you have to ford a river and your machine lags.
You must not be up on what the Arrandale processors are. They force you to use the Intel graphics. You do not have a choice.
Apart from some decent posters, this place is just full of smart-arse douches.
Happy to buy my 13 mbp & not return here!
Cheers for the few informative posts over last couple of days.
Happy to buy my 13 mbp & not return here!
Cheers for the few informative posts over last couple of days.
That might have been the case in the past but not with this refresh. These new laptops are outdated from the beginning. Just compare them to the offerings from Sony, DELL and HP: USB 3.0, HDMI, higher resolution, 4 core i7s, RGB LED backlit, BluRay and so on.
Okay, maybe the update isn't a big deal for everyone, but I've been using a 13" MB since Feb 07, so all of these are leaps and bounds better than what I have now. It's really tempting to order one now, but I'm going to wait until after the first weekend in June due to some stuff going on now. Maybe by then I'll be able to save a few bucks on a refurbished one.
Hoping to spring for the 17" i5 with anti-glare. It's funny how the upgrading game begins. "For just an extra $50 I can get..."
I see a lot of people saying they'd just buy a cheaper Dell or HP or whatever. Isn't this MacRumors? Switching back and forth would be such a hassle every time one side came out with the next big thing. Besides that, I have too much invested in software over the years that runs on Mac to start buying software all over again.
Hoping to spring for the 17" i5 with anti-glare. It's funny how the upgrading game begins. "For just an extra $50 I can get..."
I see a lot of people saying they'd just buy a cheaper Dell or HP or whatever. Isn't this MacRumors? Switching back and forth would be such a hassle every time one side came out with the next big thing. Besides that, I have too much invested in software over the years that runs on Mac to start buying software all over again.
Lenovo IdeaPad Y560 w/ Core i7: $1299
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It was on sale last week for $999 with a coupon code.
I meant that Apple does not need to patronize its "Pro" users as if they were simply consumers.
I hope that clears up my earlier post. I never meant that you were patronizing. I do remember asking several years ago if users would give up a faster processor for a dedicated ATI X1300 for the Macbook. I remember you responded that you would.
Killer integrated graphics? At least I can play Oregon Trail on max settings.
Do you people not look at the details at all? The NVidia GT320M is a custom part apparently for Apple, and significantly better than the stock Intel HD integrated graphics (which is what Apple would have to offer with the 13" model if they didn't want to also include a dedicated graphics offering).
The previous 13" MBP had NVidia 9400M graphics which were similarly better than the comparable Intel integrated graphics option.
Again, short of Apple offering a 13" model with dedicated graphics (I wouldn't object to it, but it's not something they do), this is not really a bad option.
One of the biggest worries people had was that Apple was going to offer a Core i3 and Intel HD integrated graphics in the 13" model (a common combination seen on other laptops).