Apple Releasing iOS 6 Beta Build 10A5316k and Safari 6 Developer Preview at WWDC?

[WeegieMac]

I've tried running Siri on my jailbroken iPhone 4. The phone bogs down tremendously, because apparently Siri is always there, eating up RAM. Even launching Safari occasionally took more than 45 seconds. I uninstalled it - it messed with the iPhone too much.

That said, it's technically possible for Siri to run, but the impact on the UX is terrible. It was unacceptable to me. To the normal public, it would be a broken POS.

Absolute rubbish.

Yes, it's true Spire and Spite use more RAM than Ac!D or iMZDL's recent port (which I now use as my port of choice along with their proxy), but to say it "bogs the phone down tremendously" is absolute tripe.

If launching Safari took 45 seconds then you most likely had too many Cydia tweaks installed alongside Spire/Spite/etc.

Siri does NOT slow down the iPhone 4, and that's not opinion, it's fact which is backed up hundreds of other iMZDL proxy users via Twitter, Facebook, their forum, and this forum.

In fact I'll record a nice little YouTube video of Siri running on my iPhone 4, just for you so people don't take your factually inaccurate ramblings seriously.

 

[ct2k7]

Right - and last time I checked I am the customer and I do want I want first off and second express my wishes as they fit my needs.

Congratulations for your job at sales by the way.

Last time I checked, Apple is under no obligation to conduct business with you, and are under no obligation to offer updates to an iPad sold.

Thanks, I think the badge looks well

 

[MythicFrost]

Not much slower, the architecture is the same, Cortex-A8, but slightly lower clocked, at the same time though it has much less pixels to push.

It has a 40% lower clock speed than the iPad, that's substantially slower.

And CPU doesn't matter much at all when it comes to the UI, since it's GPU that handles it in iOS, 3GS and 4 have the same GPU.

It's not a new UI that should be worried about, it's new features and functionality and such which will bog down slower devices.

 

[WeegieMac]

The iPad may have a better CPU, but it is needed for 5 times as many pixels. They both have the same GPU, so that doesn't help the iPad.

Yeah, true. I mean I don't own either device but a good friend who has the first iPad is pretty annoyed at this news (if true).

 

[teknishn]

Look everyone is getting ridiculous with this. As a developer I will tell you my .02 here. Its not a shock that certain older units get dropped off support of newer more advanced software. Now I know that the hardware is similar or better for an iPad 1 to an iPhone 3GS, but that is not all there is to it. You have to remember there is a much larger difference in software between the 2 in general... there are iPhone apps and there are iPad apps. iPad apps tend to be far more detailed with richer UIs and more capability. All that requires significantly more ram, which is the big deal here. When you buy iPad apps there is a certain bar at which you expect the apps to be.... to be considered good. I run an iPhone 4S, iPad 3, and MB.... I can tell you quite bluntly that the level of software expectation flows up that ladder in that order. I most definitely expect iPad apps to be far more feature and UI rich than their iPhone counterparts. Just like the OSX apps blow the doors off iPad apps. As a result this makes the comparison of a 3GS and an iPad 1 completely fail. Regardless of similar hardware specs.... more is always expected from the iPad.

 

[dempson]

its going to be 4am in the morning for me, so won't be saying awake. but will be checking all the news at 6am!

hopefully the keynote video will be out by then

You are out by an hour. The US is in daylight saving at the moment, so Monday 10 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time is Tuesday 5 a.m. New Zealand Standard Time.

Apple's streaming video definitely won't be available as early as 11 a.m. PDT (6 a.m. NZST), since the keynote won't have finished yet. It should be available soon after the keynote finishes, which would be in the ballpark of 12 p.m. PDT (7 a.m. NST).

The downloadable version via the Apple Keynotes podcast usually appears several hours later.

I won't have time to watch the keynote before going to work, but will get up about 7 a.m. (NZ time) and skim through the summaries.

 

[teknishn]

Yeah, true. I mean I don't own either device but a good friend who has the first iPad is pretty annoyed at this news (if true).

Your friend should realize that he's seen his iPad 1 go from iOS 3 to 4 to 5.... with 6 coming in about 3 months time he will be at the ~2.5 year mark on the life of that iPad. All in all I would call that a pretty good run. At this point you have to look in the mirror and realize that the older processor and very small amount of ram is simply holding you back from a rapidly growing new 'genre' of computing and applications. The iPad and tablet computing in general will continue a breakneck pace toward closing the gap with desktop computing. As a result, shorter upgrade cycles are part of the program here. It cant really be avoided.

Just be thankful we aren't talking Android here... where less than a year old kit doesn't get updated. Yes, Im referring to the 7.1% install base of ICS after being on the market for going on 9mos. Ouch.

 

[jlnr]

As a developer I will tell you my .02 here. Its not a shock that certain older units get dropped off support of newer more advanced software.

Right. As a developer, I understand that this is good explanation for why software on the App Store often requires an iPad 2+, like iPhoto.

But this is about the core OS. Granted, maybe iOS6 is a firework of functionality and visual effects, but so far the stock apps are not even getting close to maxing out the original iPad. Some are sluggy because they are mostly written in HTML, like the App Store, but that's hardly my iPad's fault.

No OS upgrades = no security fixes and no bug fixes. I have one outstanding crash bug that I will have to live with (Traditional Chinese Pinyin IME). My iPad will forever crash every time I enter two complex sentences.

I hope they update iTunes at least, so that people with an iPad 1 can't accidentally buy or update iPad 2+/iOS6 apps anymore. The whole system makes "obsolete" devices even more frustrating. Bought a nice app? Surprise, it won't sync or run. This also leads to terrible reviews for the developer with no elegant way out. You can't even tell people that they need an iPad 2+ because they dropped the number.

 

[appahappa]

In my opinion the explanation why they still support 3GS but drop support for the original iPad is that the 3GS is still being sold. The original iPad is discontinued for some time now.
I think Apple's update policy is really great. Go look if you find an update for any 2y old Android hardware.

 

[TechnikLayman]

In my opinion the explanation why they still support 3GS but drop support for the original iPad is that the 3GS is still being sold. The original iPad is discontinued for some time now.
I think Apple's update policy is really great. Go look if you find an update for any 2y old Android hardware.

Might be true, but just because they don't sell it no more, it doesn't mean they have to stop the OS-Update support (if the hardware is capable). As a matter of fact, I just received an eMail from Apple reminding me, that my one year iPad warranty will be ending soon with the option to buy a protection plan. Come on guys, if they still support the warranty then thy ( again said, if the hardware is capable to do so) should go on with the OS-Update. Let's see what happens today, no knows for sure just yet....

 

[Northgrove]

Interesting to see the 3GS still there! Of course no guarantee it'll still get a final release but good to see its at least made it this far!

I don't quite understand why the iPad 1 will not be supported. It is just as powerful as the iPhone 4.

I've thought about this discrepancy and my only explanation is that Apple is still marketing the 3GS as a budget phone but not the iPad 1. Hardware-wise, the iPad 1 should be supported, but I have a feeling Apple doesn't want to provide support for products they no longer build and market. In a sense, I can understand that, since otherwise they'd have to draw some other line than marketing for where they are to provide support. This could quickly get messy and users could end up having the wrong expectations. Still, I understand if iPad 1 owners are disappointed by this.

If this is the reason why, I guess this further illustrates how Apple is primarily a hardware company, treating hardware as running software, and not software running hardware.

 

[Kaos2K]

Hey guys.

Have you checked the links on the source? There is these:

http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/io...ad_wifi__cellular_model_for_att__10a5316k.dmg
http://adcdownload.apple.com/ios/io...ifi__cellular_model_for_verizon__10a5316k.dmg


I think that they are versions for the iPad 1, aren't they?

 

[fpsBeaTt]

If the iPhone 3G S is supported, why has the iPad first gen been dropped? The iPad has the same amount of RAM with a superior SOC. It can't be hardware limitation, so wtf Apple?

 

[terraphantm]

If the iPhone 3G S is supported, why has the iPad first gen been dropped? The iPad has the same amount of RAM with a superior SOC. It can't be hardware limitation, so wtf Apple?

Same reason the iPhone 3G got iOS 4 while the 2G didn't. Both had *identical* hardware asides for the actual 3G radio. Apple doesn't want to support hardware it hasn't sold in a while. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. IMO they should at least offer the OS as a paid upgrade.

 

[hobbyrennfahrer]

Take this Icon instead of that one on the news…

 

[omenatarhuri]

Take this Icon instead of that one on the news…

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I like this one.

 

[foodog]

Interesting to see the 3GS still there! Of course no guarantee it'll still get a final release but good to see its at least made it this far!

I will fall out of my chair if the 3GS is supported...

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Same reason the iPhone 3G got iOS 4 while the 2G didn't. Both had *identical* hardware asides for the actual 3G radio. Apple doesn't want to support hardware it hasn't sold in a while. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. IMO they should at least offer the OS as a paid upgrade.

They offer more support than any other phone manufacturer by a far sight.

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In my opinion the explanation why they still support 3GS but drop support for the original iPad is that the 3GS is still being sold. The original iPad is discontinued for some time now.
I think Apple's update policy is really great. Go look if you find an update for any 2y old Android hardware.

Find an update for one year old Android hardware... it may exist but would be hard to find.

 

[kemo]

OMG 3 hours to go, Im really excited to get hands on iOS6 and what's new! Im really going to install it on both iPhone 4S and the new iPad right away to see the changes! w000t, cant wait!

 

[TechnikLayman]

OMG 3 hours to go, Im really excited to get hands on iOS6 and what's new! Im really going to install it on both iPhone 4S and the new iPad right away to see the changes! w000t, cant wait!

Are you a developer? I really can't imagine a final release of iOS 6 today...

 

[RollTide1017]

Find an update for one year old Android hardware... it may exist but would be hard to find.

I don't give a crap about what Android does, I expect more from Apple. I've only had my iPad for about a year and a half (bought Jan. 2011) and now, according to Apple, I own a piece of junk not worthy of support. iPad should be treated more like a computer, not a phone. Windows XP still gets security updates but, once Apple drops support for a device, that device doesn't even get security updates anymore.

 

[mattburley7]

i forgot some other things we might get today...

iWork 12
iPhoto 12
Some new apple apps?

 

[diamond.g]

i forgot some other things we might get today...

iWork 12
iPhoto 12
Some new apple apps?

Oh that would be nice, an upgrade to the iWork Suite...

 

[foodog]

I don't give a crap about what Android does, I expect more from Apple. I've only had my iPad for about a year and a half (bought Jan. 2011) and now, according to Apple, I own a piece of junk not worthy of support. iPad should be treated more like a computer, not a phone. Windows XP still gets security updates but, once Apple drops support for a device, that device doesn't even get security updates anymore.

security updates? Seems IOS 6 will run on the original iPad so you have obviously been drinking the bong water again.

 

[Yebubbleman]

That's not necessarily true. The iPad 1 requires more graphics horsepower than the iPod touch does simply because of real estate.

This is the only good explanation that I have seen and frankly the only one I'm buying so far. It'll also explain why the 4th gen iPod touch runs iOS 5 smoother than the 1st gen iPad. However, reasons as to why the 3rd gen iPod touch isn't supported and the iPhone 3GS is are still yet to be unearthed.

Cos the 3GS is still sold but the latter 2 aren't. As has been stated many times already....

It's a marketing / business decision that the original iPad isn't supported. Apples does what Apple wants. It's their prerogative.

Apple has never historically limited hardware from software due to business. If a product can run the OS, it DOES run the OS. The only times that they've limited this have been when the OS can be run on the device, but the experience is bad. Case in point, Core Duo Macs with Lion; given that the early Core 2 Duo Macs run Lion on the slow side, it's no wonder that support wasn't given for these older Macs (because it's not like Lion didn't still include the 32-bit kernel for those needing to use it). The logic of the iPad requiring more horsepower for the same stuff than the iPod touch and iPhone and thusly having a harder time to run a newer OS than the theoretically slower 4th gen iPod touch is about the best technical explanation I've found. But given that the third generation iPod touch is as fast if not faster than the iPhone 3GS, then, from a technical standpoint, there's no reason as to why the 3rd gen touch should be left out.

Apple is more and more iOS only. OSX is going to die. I feel sorry.

Well, it's all cool, Windows is more and more Windows Phone. Hell, it wouldn't shock me if Ubuntu followed suit, leaving non-Ubuntu Linuxes as your only non-phone experience. Don't worry though none of this will matter for a good fifteen years at least.