Apple Remembers Nelson Mandela on Its Homepage

[peterdevries]

I think most people reject that view. It's difficult to view Mandela as an oligarch when he was democratically elected and only served for 5 years. Yeah, that sounds like he was a monsterous oligarch...totally dude.

You can't go wrong with putting Pyrrhic Victory on your ignore list. He only spews absolute nonsense on this forum, regardless of the subject. I recommend everyone to do the same, because that guy really just deserves to be alone with the voices in his head.

 

[Quu]

I know right? Fighting against the white minority, who cracked down on the black majority for wanting things like protection under the law, voting and property ownership. How dare he.

Yes, he committed acts of terrorism, so did the American colonists.

Gandhi beat the colonists peacefully..

 

[MellowFuzz]

I miss Apple - the technology company.

 

[trife]

Gandhi beat the colonists peacefully..

He also initially believed that Indians shouldn't be viewed at as on the same level of native (see: black) South Africans. He also thought that South African whites should be the "predominating" race.

Oh, and there's also the little fact that he had teenagers (even his own granddaughter) sleep naked with him in an attempt to test his spirituality. Nope, that's not weird at all.

Every hero has a side of them that is unpleasant, whether it be using violence, having racist thinking or strange sexual activities. All that said, those things still don't negate the positive things they brought to our world.

Just sayin'.

 

[pheenix11]

Necklaces for everyone, feel the love.

 

[springsup]

Really.

The article snippet was re-written to vindicate the PLO by pointing out Israeli atrocities. We're sorry you missed it, but that was in fact the entire point; reflecting the original article which vindicated the ANC by pointing out atrocities of the Apartheid government.

For the purposes of the post, we had to decide on a massacre to parallel with the SA Council of Churches bombing, and we chose Lydda. It's a pretty horrific story, whichever side you read it from. A well known Israeli columnist for Haaretz recently said:

It is my moral duty as an Israeli to recognize Lydda and help the Palestinians to overcome it.

It doesn't mean that we're anti-Israel or pro-Palestine, neither does it mean the reverse. The context of the forum post clearly explains its motives.

 

[Pyrrhic Victory]

I think most people reject that view. It's difficult to view Mandela as an oligarch when he was democratically elected and only served for 5 years. Yeah, that sounds like he was a monsterous oligarch...totally dude.

I think most people reject the view that when someone makes an argument that you disagree with, yet are unable to refute, you should argue semantics instead of conceding the point. Clearly you are not most people.

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He also initially believed that Indians shouldn't be viewed at as on the same level of native (see: black) South Africans. He also thought that South African whites should be the "predominating" race.

Oh, and there's also the little fact that he had teenagers (even his own granddaughter) sleep naked with him in an attempt to test his spirituality. Nope, that's not weird at all.

Every hero has a side of them that is unpleasant, whether it be using violence, having racist thinking or strange sexual activities. All that said, those things still don't negate the positive things they brought to our world.

Just sayin'.

"Everyone" isn't deified as a legend and conquering hero when they die by companies like Apple. If Mandela was just like everyone, then treat him like everyone.

 

[roadbloc]

Its great how everybody forgets how many innocent civilians that guy had killed. But yeah, RIP Mandela. Hope Apple's PR stunt brings plenty of custom to their website.

 

[wrkactjob]

I love when people go out of their way to poo-poo the good things someone has done by bringing up the negative things they've done, as well. Are all the people you look up to free of blemish? Remember, behind every castle there is a crook--behind every amazing individual, there is the underbelly of their life that doesn't look so great in the public eye. I could give names but you could pick literally anyone who is cherished by the masses and I can guarantee you they've done/said things they're probably not proud of. Hell, America was built by these types of people

Hitler built the autobhans and VW Beetle....credit where its due.

Saint Mandela!

 

[olowott]

great african - RIP Nelson Mandela

 

[Dominicanyor]

Wow some of the comments here are crazy!!

 

[Nevaborn]

One mans terrorist wi always be anothers feedom fighter, sometimes when all peaceful options are exhausted violence is the only way.

Nearly 30 years in prison with only your thoughts can change your view. Perhaps he saw for all the fighting look what it brings and decided he must find a better way.

We all do things we aren't proud of. He spent a long time trying to make a better country for all people and that is his legacy.

 

[Mums]

Oh look. It's these guys. Didn't take long for you to show up.

I love when people go out of their way to poo-poo the good things someone has done by bringing up the negative things they've done, as well. Are all the people you look up to free of blemish? Remember, behind every castle there is a crook--behind every amazing individual, there is the underbelly of their life that doesn't look so great in the public eye. I could give names but you could pick literally anyone who is cherished by the masses and I can guarantee you they've done/said things they're probably not proud of. Hell, America was built by these types of people

And let's not forget the atrocities committed against black South Africans that led to the violence the pre-prison bid Mandela advocated. Not saying you fight fire with fire, but what do you do when nothing else works? Something had to give. Apartheid was NOT Jim Crow, so please don't even attempt to imply that Mandela should've taken the MLK Jr. route.

And most importantly, don't forget that he denounced that violence after walking out of prison. Now, that doesn't absolve him of his past. But it does show that he recognized the error of his ways as any good man would do.

Stay classy, sirs.

You're advocating racial violence. Better not come to the UK you could get arrested.

 

[bigchrisfgb]

Mr. Mandela left behind a legend.

He, similar to Pope John Paul II, promoted peace and were able to bring South Africa out of a violent system, just like the Pope brought Poland out of communism.... peacefully.

I have nothing but great respect for Mr. President.

Rest In Peace!!!

How is PJP2 peaceful? The guy said people in Africa dying of aids was because of their sins, he said protection during sex shouldn't be even if it meant being infected with STD's. He condemned the gay population saying they were sinful and would burn in hell.

 

[airdrop]

I don't like it.

I understand that kind of tribute for Steve Jobs, but what Apple doing now is just PR Marketing ...

Apple using very low PR strategy (based on that kind of sad events) to promote themselves ... nothing more, just to earn sympathy.

Mr. Nelson Mandela - great man indeed. RIP.

 

[petsounds]

Disgusting comments, though not surprising. But comments made by people who most likely never experienced a racism so profound that society was institutionalized around it.

 

[Sangoma]

One mans terrorist wi always be anothers feedom fighter, sometimes when all peaceful options are exhausted violence is the only way.

Nearly 30 years in prison with only your thoughts can change your view. Perhaps he saw for all the fighting look what it brings and decided he must find a better way.

We all do things we aren't proud of. He spent a long time trying to make a better country for all people and that is his legacy.

Stiil, one of his first statements when he walked out of prison was: "the armed struggle will continue"

 

[Jacquesvw]

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[tmoerel]

Mandela wasn't the saint he was made out to be. Just have a read of this:

http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/

 

[Zunjine]

Great guy, big proponent of freedom and liberty. Of course if you didn't agree with him he could always send his wife to murder you by tying a burning tire around your neck. And of course once he got power and she became a liability he dumped her. Other than that though, Mandela was a wonderful person.

Yeah, why let facts get in the way of a nice controversial rant?

Really, we need more people like you in the world and less Mandelas. I mean, he managed to bring peace to a nation that could have descended into bloody war but really we need more cynical idiots who get their kicks posting nonsense about great men on the internet.

Keep it up, winner.

 

[69650]

A truly great man. Rest in Peace Madiba.

"Death is something inevitable. When a man has done what he considers to be his duty to his people and his country, he can rest in peace. I believe I have made that effort and that is, therefore, why I will sleep for the eternity." Nelson Mandela

 

[Solomani]

What other companies do this in honor of many historic figures? Not Samdung or LG!

Of course Samsung won't bother to honor people like Mandela. There is no immediate profit or instant revenue from doing so.

 

[mrhick01]

Oh look. It's these guys. Didn't take long for you to show up.

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And let's not forget the atrocities committed against black South Africans that led to the violence the pre-prison bid Mandela advocated. Not saying you fight fire with fire, but what do you do when nothing else works? Something had to give. Apartheid was NOT Jim Crow, so please don't even attempt to imply that Mandela should've taken the MLK Jr. route.

And most importantly, don't forget that he denounced that violence after walking out of prison. Now, that doesn't absolve him of his past. But it does show that he recognized the error of his ways as any good man would do.

Stay classy, sirs.

The African National Congress were more or less a nonviolent organization until the Sharpeville Massacre of 1960. The black South Africans were dealing with a violent regime that had no interest in providing equal rights or protection under the law. The ANC and Mandela's hand were forced. At that time, he did what he believed he had to do for the Xhosa and Zulu peoples of South Africa.

 

[jjhny]

There are so many good people to honor - I really don't get this. The man and his organization had a history of killing innocent people. For example, Winnie Mandela, who promoted putting a tire doused in gasoline around her opponents heads and lighting it - they called this horrible thing "necklacing."

But, he was a communist, so I guess that makes everything he did okay (protip: communists killed more people than the national socialists (nazis)).

Not hard to find in a web search...

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights

-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988

-Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987

-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”

 

[iKrivetko]

Why would someone honour a bloody terrorist, who turned a tier 1 nuclear power that gave us Mark Shuttleworth and Elon Musk into a country with more rape, murder and disease than most third world ********s?