Apple Removes Five of Six Infowars Podcast Series From iTunes Directory

[thisisnotmyname]

Wrong wrong wrong, the First Amendment does NOT cover this at all.

No, I'm not wrong. I believe it was Marsh v. Alabama that set the initial precedent and that was subsequently expanded to property owned by a shopping mall (can't remember the case on that one). Both of those were SCOTUS but then there have been multiple state supreme court rulings affirming free speech rights on private property despite objections of ownership when those properties are considered to be "public square" (primarily shopping malls). I'm not Alex Jones, I don't just make up facts.

Now, I could also see a compelling argument building on these rulings that there is a digital equivalent to the public square and internet platforms that are normally open to the entirety of the public and of sufficient size and reach would have to adhere to that same doctrine.

 

[jwhitnah]

What Apple is doing reminds me of soviet style censorship.

And the general response is always, "Well it is a private company", which is true. However, most podcasts are obtained from a handful of companies that subscribe to the same groupthink. I don't even listen to AJ and this pisses me off.

 

[Naaaaak]

Protected from government action, not from business or reaction from the public.

The same people who forced an independent business to bake a cake for someone they disagree with are now okay with an independent business refusing to serve someone they disagree with.

The hypocrisy runs deep.

You can't have it both ways.

All the Tech-Left companies have to bake our cake and allow conservative voices.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

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TOP 10 CONSERVATIVE MAJOR CITIES (OVER 300,000 POPULATION)
1. Colorado Springs
2. Mesa
3. Arlington
4. Oklahoma City
5. Tulsa
6. Wichita
7. Anaheim
8. Jacksonville
9. Omaha
10. Houston

Houston??? conservative??? who made this list?

 

[actcyclist]

The problem I see with the tech companies doing this is it is exactly what Alex Jones predicted they would do and it could drive his followers further away from reality.

They can all still subscribe to his podcast at
https://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show/#subscribe_to_the_banned_show

I don't know what the solution is to fake news/etc, but this action from the tech companies looks like it will increase suspicions and won't work

 

[jwhitnah]

No, I'm not wrong. I believe it was Marsh v. Alabama that set the initial precedent and that was subsequently expanded to property owned by a shopping mall (can't remember the case on that one). Both of those were SCOTUS but then there have been multiple state supreme court rulings affirming free speech rights on private property despite objections of ownership when those properties are considered to be "public square" (primarily shopping malls). I'm not Alex Jones, I don't just make up facts.

Now, I could also see a compelling argument building on these rulings that there is a digital equivalent to the public square and internet platforms that are normally open to the entirety of the public and of sufficient size and reach would have to adhere to that same doctrine.

I have heard this before.

 

[mudslag]

No, I'm not wrong. I believe it was Marsh v. Alabama that set the initial precedent and that was subsequently expanded to property owned by a shopping mall (can't remember the case on that one). Both of those were SCOTUS but then there have been multiple state supreme court rulings affirming free speech rights on private property despite objections of ownership when those properties are considered to be "public square" (primarily shopping malls). I'm not Alex Jones, I don't just make up facts.

Now, I could also see a compelling argument building on these rulings that there is a digital equivalent to the public square and internet platforms that are normally open to the entirety of the public and of sufficient size and reach would have to adhere to that same doctrine.

Marsh v. Alabama, 326 U.S. 501 (1946), was a case decided by the United States Supreme Court, in which it ruled that a state trespassing statute could not be used to prevent the distribution of religious materials on a town's sidewalk, even though the sidewalk was part of a privately owned company town....


The Court initially noted that it would be an easy case if the town were a more traditional, publicly administered, municipality. Then, there would be a clear violation of the right to free speech for the government to bar the sidewalk distribution of such material. The question became, therefore, whether or not constitutional freedom of speech protections could be denied simply because a single company held title to the town.

That is not even remotely close to same thing, this is about an Apple site controlling content on their site. So no you're still wrong this is not a 1st issue. You might want to read through the full info before claiming this as your example, cause again it's not even close to the same thing.

 

[Frank Dalton]

Let's look at Texas as an example. In order to obtain a State ID you need one of the following documents: a valid U.S. passport, U.S. military ID card, driver's license, U.S. Certificate of Citizenship or Certificate of Naturalization.

- People born in the US are unable to obtain the latter two.
- Only people that go to the military have a military card.
- Poor people may not have driver's license, much less a passport.

Let's not forget that voting restrictions are not only about voters IDs. There is enough evidence that even courts are striking down these measures.

This is simply not true as evidenced by the Texas Department of Public Safety’s brochure on the matter: http://www.dps.texas.gov/internetforms/Forms/DL-57.pdf
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The same people who forced an independent business to bake a cake for someone they disagree with are now okay with an independent business refusing to serve someone they disagree with.

The hypocrisy runs deep.

You can't have it both ways.

All the Tech-Left companies have to bake our cake and allow conservative voices.

Minor correction: they *wanted* to force the baker. He prevailed at the Supreme Court.

 

[jwhitnah]

Good on Apple. Trolls like Jones need to be not given platforms to promote hate and lies. BTW, this isn't about "Free Speech" because Apple's platform is a PRIVATE COMPANY. This isn't the gov't censoring speech, it actually IS THE FREE MARKET deciding they don't want filth in the content stream.

It is about censorship by big business.

 

[Irishman]

Whoa, thinking for yourself, making your own decisions? Liberals and SJW don't like that.

This is not about red shirt blue shirt politics.

AJ is a loony toon!

 

[widgeteer]

This is simply not true as evidenced by the Texas Department of Public Safety’s brochure on the matter: http://www.dps.texas.gov/internetforms/Forms/DL-57.pdf
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Minor correction: they *wanted* to force the baker. He prevailed at the Supreme Court.

Incorrect. The court simply punted the case.

 

[Irishman]

Whoa, thinking for yourself, making your own decisions? Liberals and SJW don't like that.

This is not about red shirt blue shirt politics.

AJ is a loony toon!

 

[DanielDD]

This is simply not true as evidenced by the Texas Department of Public Safety’s brochure on the matter: http://www.dps.texas.gov/internetforms/Forms/DL-57.pdf
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Minor correction: they *wanted* to force the baker. He prevailed at the Supreme Court.

Read the second page of the source you provided me, under Proof of Identity.

 

[Frank Dalton]

Incorrect. The court simply punted the case.

It doesn’t matter whether the ruling does or doesn’t extend to whatever you wanted it to, it is eminently correct to state that the baker prevailed. He did not have to bake the cake.
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Read the second page of the source you provided me, under Proof of Identity.

What about it?

 

[jwhitnah]

It's Apples call, if you don't like it, express that to them with your wallet.

Will do. The decision seems to be getting easier by the day.

 

[DanielDD]

What about it?

Primary Identification Documents: a valid U.S. passport, U.S. military ID card, driver's license, U.S. Certificate of Citizenship or Certificate of Naturalization.

 

[Frank Dalton]

Primary Identification Documents: a valid U.S. passport, U.S. military ID card, driver's license, U.S. Certificate of Citizenship or Certificate of Naturalization.

If you want to play this game then you need to read the entire list, including the second column of additional primary documents as well as the litany of documents that can serve as substitutes for a lack of primary identification.

 

[Naaaaak]

Alex Jones isn’t just some right winger being “silenced”. He is a dangerous propagandist who peddles preposterous lies that have caused real-world damage. Good riddance.

I say the same about CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, New York Times (now hiring more anti-white racists), Washington Post, Huffington Post.

They all peddled the preposterous lies about WMDs in Iraq. They built up public support for a war and we know the consequences of that.

All of them were propagandists for Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. Read the Wikileaks emails -- those outlets are heavily-DNC controlled. They fired people who reported Hillary passing out and questioning her seizures and health issues.

All of them are causing real-world damage by propagating Trump/Russia word association, making up "anonymous sources" that turn out to be lies, and willfully underreporting and ignoring the deep corruption at the FBI that led to the witch hunt investigation.

Where's the "real-world damage" Alex Jones caused? Everything I mentioned he's reported and it's turned out to be true. He's wrong on other stuff, but not even close to the damaging degree that CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, New York Times (now hiring more anti-white racists), Washington Post, Huffington Post are.

You don't get to pretend this isn’t just some right winger being “silenced”. It completely is. He's a high profile target the Tech-Left (and now Apple) are censoring under the guise of "hate speech", none of which they cite or define.

 

[widgeteer]

In what way is he racist?

Sealioning (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions. The harasser who uses this tactic also uses fake civility so as to discredit their target.

 

[Naaaaak]

Well, he very often has gone into detail about how he wants to inflict violence onto people who he feels are "evil". So I suppose you should support Apple's decision. Or is it the "he's just playing a character" excuse at play again? Either way, one of these days, a crazy Jones supporter is gonna act on it, and someone will get hurt over it...

Cite your claim with video. I want to see what you are referring to when you allege that Jones has called for violence.

 

[Omega Mac]

I'll remember that when Republicans pass voting restrictions on minorities under the guise of protecting against voter fraud.

Be more specific because you haven't made a point - in voting booths across the world (no one voting system is the same) ID's are often required or may be required if asked. Clearly this is to stop voting fraud of all types. It's not unique to the US.

 

[Frank Dalton]

Sealioning

More trolling silliness. Nothing I have done meets this criteria. If Trump is such a racist, it should not be difficult for you to answer the question.

 

[widgeteer]

Lol. Trump is a Nazi. See, that’s where you people go completely overboard and lose all credibility. Nazi..sure. No wonder nobody takes the left seriously.

Trump voters: How DARE you call people who put children in cages just for being brown, nazis! Don’t casually throw that word around!

Also Trump voters: How DARE you not agree that it’s Nazism to not be able to download Alex Jones’ podcast on iTunes!

 

[Frank Dalton]

Trump voters: How DARE you call people who put children in cages just for being brown nazis! Don’t casually throw that word around!

Also Trump voters: How DARE you not agree that it’s Nazism to not be able to download Alex Jones’ podcast on iTunes!

Absolutely silly strawmaning.

 

[widgeteer]

More trolling silliness. Nothing I have done meets this criteria. If Trump is such a racist, it should not be difficult for you to answer the question.

It’s not, nor has it been difficult for the countless other folks you’ve disingenuously asked this question of. Just cut to the Breitbartian talking points and save everyone time.