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Two weeks ago Peter Fonda called for the President’s 12-year-old son to be placed in a cage and be raped by homosexual pedophiles.

Apple, why do you still list Peter Fonda movies in your iTunes Store?
Can you imagine if that was said about Obama's daughters? Or about Chelsea Clinton? Can you imagine if Robert De Niro said F$%K Obama on stage? The liberal double standard is where the problem lies.
 
Company policies are run from the top. I dont even know who this guy is....

...but i do know that cutting someones speech you dislike is same as removing a voice from minority groups “era” we have fought to move on from.

And as apple becomes an even more important information carrier and conduit in our society, they should stand neutral.

You guys literally have no idea what free speech means.

It does not mean:

  • You are owed a platform.
  • You are owed ears.
  • You are allowed to say whatever you want *wherever* you want.
  • You are owed protection from any business that is in business to cater to a healthy, sane society.

The right are such snowflakes. The minute they take a shot, the screaming for safe spaces is deafening.

Oh, and on that note: if you feel we as a society need to protect voices like Alex Jones, I honestly don't care. You're not owed legitimacy or respect for that position.
 
A white supremicist rally isn't equal to a gay wedding. This is a pretty stupid analogy.

Discrimination against bigotry is perfectly fine. Discrimination against a human being for being born is not fine.
Says who?

This Ars Technica op-ed is a perfect example of why the media is distrusted by so many people. Left-wing mainstream media has high journalist standards but conservative media doesn’t? There’s plenty of conservative media that I read/listen to that has way more standards than mainstream media.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ning-him-from-facebook-might-be-a-bad-idea/2/
The news media is ideologically asymmetrical. Mainstream media with high journalistic standards tends to lean a bit to the left. In reaction to that, conservatives have constructed explicitly partisan media alternatives that don't always uphold the same high journalistic standards. Hence there's a real danger that a war against fake news could be seen as a war on conservative media—alienating many conservative Facebook users in the process.
 
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So you are basically saying it’s ok to do something as long as it is “justified “. Killing is wrong, but killing hitler is ok.



It's subjective. Killing is wrong, yet we have the death penalty in some states. Society in some cases has justified the killing of someone under certain conditions.
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Can you imagine if that was said about Obama's daughters? Or about Chelsea Clinton? Can you imagine if Robert De Niro said F$%K Obama on stage? The liberal double standard is where the problem lies.


You're trying to pin this as a left vs right issue when this is a private company making an executive decision that fits their policies.
 
A white supremicist rally isn't equal to a gay wedding. This is a pretty stupid analogy.

Discrimination against bigotry is perfectly fine. Discrimination against a human being for being born is not fine.
You missed his point. The baker didn't discriminate against the gay couple for being gay. The baker didn't want to bake a cake because he or she, right or wrong didn't want to support the marriage between the two.
 
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You missed his point. The baker didn't discriminate against the gay couple for being gay. The baker didn't want to bake a cake because he or she, right or wrong didn't want to support the marriage between the two.

because they were gay
 
He never said he wouldn’t bake cakes for homosexuals. He said he wouldn’t bake a cake for a gay wedding. A wedding is an event, not a sexual orientation. If a white person came in and said I’m hosting a white supremicist rally and need a cake for the event would a baker have to bake them a cake. Would not baking the cake be discriminatory?

I specifically said it was a wedding cake, not any cake. Besides, he openly admitted that he asked the customer if they were gay before he refused to bake it, so any point you're attempting to make with function/sexuality is moot. As for the white supremacist analogy, the baker could certainly refuse service if they were requesting specific messages or symbols on the cake that the baker didn't provide for other customers. Example: the same baker in Colorado that wouldn't supply the gay wedding cake would also refuse to make any type of Halloween themed baked goods for any customer. That doesn't qualify as discriminatory since the refusal to provide those types of decorations/messages applies to everyone.
 
So you are basically saying it’s ok to do something as long as it is “justified “. Killing is wrong, but killing hitler is ok.

Justified is not really the right word. However, again, with your analogy: we obviously as a society agree that killing Hitler is acceptable. We went to war to accomplish just that.
 
You missed his point. The baker didn't discriminate against the gay couple for being gay. The baker didn't want to bake a cake because he or she, right or wrong didn't want to support the marriage between the two.

Which is functionally the exact some thing. His cake is no more supporting their wedding than the cars being used to drive people there, the sliverware on the tables, the flower arrangements, etc. It's a phony argument designed to give people cover to legitimize their bigotry. I'm sorry the court decided to simply kick it down the road rather than actually rule on it.

This is why LGBT folks should have federal protections.
 
So you’re saying anyone who doesn’t support gay marriage hates gays?


Where did I say that? Come on you should know better then to take that out of context like that. What you quoted doesn't even remotely suggest that.
 
Yup. There's no way to separate the two.
In your mind. I know many people by virtue of where I live geographically who do not support gay marriage but absolutely do not "hate" gay people. There a huge stretch to go from not supporting the ceremony of marriage between two people and outright hating those people.
 
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But the baker drew the line because of the wedding. I have not seen where that baker refused to bake cakes for gay people.

The customers that wanted the wedding cake didn't say it was for a gay wedding. The baker specifically asked about sexual orientation, then refused service. That's discriminatory under Colorado state law, and the Supreme Court certainly didn't disagree with that.
 
A white supremicist rally isn't equal to a gay wedding. This is a pretty stupid analogy.

Discrimination against bigotry is perfectly fine. Discrimination against a human being for being born is not fine.

You are absolutely incorrect. The issue is about the ability to air opinion, not whether white people are superior or whether gay people should be able to marry. Focus.
 
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Can you imagine if that was said about Obama's daughters? Or about Chelsea Clinton? Can you imagine if Robert De Niro said F$%K Obama on stage? The liberal double standard is where the problem lies.

We don't have to imagine it. Trump ran on insisting that Obama wasn't a legitimate citizen. And are you sincerely suggesting Chelsea Clinton wasn't a punching bag for the right? And Trump supporters wear tshirts that literally say "F your feelings."

It's like you guys assume everyone lives in the same echo chamber as you do.
 
You are absolutely incorrect. The issue is about the ability to air opinion, not whether white people are superior or whether gay people should be able to marry. Focus.

The baker has every right to air whatever opinion he cares to, but under Colorado state law it is illegal to deny service based on sexual orientation. There is no 1A danger here.

Don't quote the law if you don't know the law, friend.
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In your mind. I know many people by virtue of where I live geographically who do not support gay marriage but absolutely do not "hate" gay people. There a huge stretch to go from not supporting the ceremony of marriage between two people and outright hating those people.

You're under the false impression that hatred equals foaming at the mouth vitriol. There are perfectly pleasant bigots in all walks of life.

The only reason they wouldn't support marriage between two consenting adults is due to hatred of their "lifestyle". It's all the same thing. When you seek to deny others the same rights you, it's hatred.

You guys can try to talk around it to your heart's content but no sale. It's bigotry and hateful.
 
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