Apple Removes Parler From App Store Due to 'Inadequate' Measures to Address Dangerous Content

[XNorth]

You say THEY like it was the entire crowd, like everyone was carrying guns and bombs.

Probably not all wanted to kill. But ALL were delusional and couldn't accept Trump's loss and wanted to stop Congress.

But the reality is there were far right nut groups there to cause harm. Investigations report that they planned the whole thing meticulously since the election, with guns, pipe bombs and everything. With Trump egging them all, they had no qualms about killing members of Congress. Pretty chilling. These groups are the real American ISIS intent on causing terror.

 

[IG88]

No it’s not the same because Apple as a company has a right to set terms of service and remove apps that violate them. Being gay isn’t a violation of YouTube’s TOS, and there is no reason that they would ever do that. Your hypothetical straw man arguments expose you’re stunted ability to reason.

Right, you missed the part where I said YouTube can amend their TOS to say no gay content.

For the record, I don't support discrimination, period. I don't support censorship either.

You seem to be ok with censorship as long the censoring is a message you don't like. What happens when the censors start going after gay content in the name of religion or protecting their children?

 

[gavroche]

Isn't that, by definition, a double standard?

How is it a double standard? We vote for politicians. We don’t vote for mob idiots. We can have standards for people we vote for, not for people we do not. Those unelected idiots do not have the authority to make decisions that impact our lives, like writing legislation. Do you see the difference there?
By your logic, you clearly must be against the entire BLM movement. Because some of the people in that movement committed some pretty serious crimes, including murder. So do group together and treat the good, well intentioned people of that movement with the idiot criminals? I would hope not. But you clearly suggest that anyone that is a Republican or Trump supporter must condone the actions of those handful of idiots.

 

[5H3PH3RD]

We can have standards for people we vote for, not for people we do not.

So we don't have laws then? You seem to try and insult others 'logic' when yours doesn't hold up.

EDIT: Nice re-edit of your post after I quoted it. Try being transparent with your edits!.

 

[XNorth]

Excellent post.

Excellent, only if you were fed nothing but conspiracy theories.

 

[cwosigns]

And anyone that won't make you a cake and hides behind a book to justify it, is a douche in my book.

But the argument is the same for both, private entity choosing to do business with whomever they want. It's bs in both cases IMO.

Let me break it down for you like this:

The baker refused to bake a cake for a wedding because of their “deeply held“ religious beliefs, even though the product is the same - they were refusing to serve customers because of who the customers were (gay). I personally think that this is bogus because as a Bible scholar I know that there are reams of other sins in the Bible that people commit, yet bakers don’t refuse to bake cakes for those who commit those sins. So the baker’s argument might have had merit if they also refused to bake cakes for people who eat shrimp and wear clothes of mixed fibers. And baking a cake for a gay couple doesn’t physically harm anyone.

Apple removed Parler because they violated the terms of service that Parler likely agreed to when they submitted their app for inclusion in the App Store. So they’re enforcing something that Parler agreed to.

Apple and oranges, but let’s say they are the same. If they’re the same, why are you presumably okay with the baker refusing to bake a cake for the wedding of same sex couples, but NOT okay with Apple removing Parler?

Either they’re the same and you have a double standard, or they’re different. Which is it?

 

[Rafterman]

Probably not all wanted to kill. But ALL were delusional and couldn't accept Trump's loss and wanted to stop Congress.

But the reality is there were far right nut groups there to cause harm. Investigations report that they planned the whole thing meticulous since the election, with guns, pipe bombs and everything. With Trump egging them all, they had no qualms about killing members of Congress. Pretty chilling. These groups are the real American ISIS intent on causing terror.

Only later did it become clear that lawmakers feared for their lives; that some of the attackers were hunting for congressional leaders; that there could have been a massacre. An ex Air Force Lt Coonel was carrying hand binding ties (he says he "found them on the floor", LOL). A gallows was erected outside the Capitol. Crowds were chanting "Where's Mike Pence, where ia Mike Pence, Find Mike Pence".

 

[cwosigns]

I mean, it's really not. You seem to be worked up by the fact that they banned an app. It's not like the internet suddenly stopped working. You can still type www.parler.com into Safari. Nothing is preventing anyone from doing that.

Until tomorrow.

 

[vraxtus]

How is it a double standard? We vote for politicians. We don’t vote for mob idiots. We can have standards for people we vote for, not for people we do not. Do you see the difference there?
By your logic, you clearly must be against the entire BLM movement. Because some of the people in that movement committed some pretty serious crimes, including murder. So do group together and treat the good, well intentioned people of that movement with the idiot criminals? I would hope not. But you clearly suggest that anyone that is a Republican or Trump supporter must condone the actions of those handful of idiots.

Uhh, just because we vote for them isn't indicative that we should absolve the behavior of politicians as any more morally just than those of a mob. I've seen plenty of political corruption in my day, and I can certainly say the ethics should in no way be higher than someone with a mob mentality - stupidity is stupidity, regardless of who's it is.

In that regard, your logic is flawed. I could care less who's mob it is. All of that crap should be treated equally harshly. Violence is never ok.

 

[Rondue]

I use Parler and these comments are telling me most of you have never used Parler.

 

[5H3PH3RD]

I use Parler and these comments are telling me most of you have never used Parler.

Why's that?

 

[Rondue]

Until tomorrow.

Thank god more than 1 internet host exists.....

 

[Rafterman]

I use Parler and these comments are telling me most of you have never used Parler.

And you are telling us that you ignore the violent and racist content.

 

[XNorth]

It is not surprising that someone who is willing to give away their rights has no concept of what a dictatorship is.

If you live in a simplistic delusion of politics as heroes vs. villains, rest assured, you have been tricked by the villains.

So you have experienced life under a dictatorship, re-education camps, extrajudicial murders, and state controlled media? I have. The villain sits in the White House now. He looks like the dictator I knew. Come and tell me about your experience when you have lived under a dictatorship.

 

[Rondue]

Why's that?

Because im logged on and following some pretty pissed off conservatives and I hardly ever see as much as a curse word. Just political memes stories about conservative politicians. Lots of Reps on there, now Facebook ive had to work my ass off to shut down 2 child photo sharing groups and an adult trafficking website.......

 

[vraxtus]

Because im logged on and following some pretty pissed off conservatives and I hardly ever see as much as a curse word. Just political memes stories about conservative politicians. Lots of Reps on there, now Facebook ive had to work my ass off to shut down 2 child photo sharing groups and an adult trafficking website.......

Screenshots or it never happened!

 

[gavroche]

So we don't have laws then? You seem to try and insult others 'logic' when yours doesn't hold up.

EDIT: Nice re-edit of your post after I quoted it. Try being transparent with your edits!.

I do not try to insult anyone. And my apologies if I realize I misspelled or didn’t wrote a sentence clearly. This is just so tiring. You guys want to take the actions of a handful of people, and act like they speak for or are representative of the half of the country that disagrees with you. And that is absurd. It is exactly as absurd as it would be if I tried to take the actions of some Democrats that do very horrible things, and use them to define your entire party. I don’t know why you think it’s ok to do so, or appropriate... and it’s sad. This conversation is pointless. Good day to you.

 

[DaveFromCampbelltown]

Some of the responses here remind me of a four-year-old having a temper tantrum in a candy store because they can’t have a lolly.
Complaining because Apple won’t sell you a copy of Parler is pretty much the same thing.

 

[5H3PH3RD]

Because im logged on and following some pretty pissed off conservatives and I hardly ever see as much as a curse word. Just political memes stories about conservative politicians. Lots of Reps on there, now Facebook ive had to work my ass off to shut down 2 child photo sharing groups and an adult trafficking website.......

Facebook has also been around for many more years. Facebook never used to be like it is today. So you can't draw comparisons at this point.

There are plenty of screenshots circulating from Parler of people inciting violence and I have seen it with my own eyes on that platform. I left it as quick as I arrived.

 

[vraxtus]

You guys want to take the actions of a handful of people, and act like they speak for or are representative of the half of the country that disagrees with you. And that is absurd. It is exactly as absurd as it would be if I tried to take the actions of some Democrats that do very horrible things, and use them to define your entire party.

That's actually blatantly incorrect, and I completely agree with your sentiment. There's actually quite a bit of misconceptions of each side. Not all Democrats are "radical left" and not all Conservatives are the ones we saw this week in the Capitol. I'd actually argue that most people are a lot more centrist than most people would believe.

 

[IG88]

Apple and oranges, but let’s say they are the same. If they’re the same, why are you presumably okay with the baker refusing to bake a cake for the wedding of same sex couples, but NOT okay with Apple removing Parler?

Either they’re the same and you have a double standard, or they’re different. Which is it?

No I'm not ok with either really. The baker was a douche. Discrimination and censorship are both bs.

As far as what I think the law should say? He's not offering a critical service. If grocery stores tried not selling food to gays, GTFO. I don't know, it is probably safer for all of us to say no, you can't discriminate.

As far as Apple, I'd be fine with this if they didn't have sole control over the only iOS App Store.

 

[hawkeye_a]

Apple has every right to remove any app from their virtual supermarket. There's no need for them to provide any frivolous reason as justification.

If people have issues with their decisions/policies/business-practices, they should vote with their wallets.

I'm glad Apple made this move; now we no longer have to speculate on their inclinations, politics and prejudices.

 

[incoherent_1]

There's also still a very worthwhile argument to be had as to whether it's tasteful for private companies to allow apps on their platforms that are being actively used to PLAN, TO PLAN, a violent overthrow and coup of the United States, one that we saw LIVE ON TV THIS WEEK.

You realize the same folks are planning more attacks? On Parler. Right now.

There's a very worthwhile argument to be had as to whether it's tasteful for ANYONE to continue to make excuses for it.

Your anger is understandable, but misdirected. I wasn’t making any such excuses, for the companies or the people making these plans.

There’s a risky-reward when it comes to national security/public safety and blocking or removing conversations from platforms. If you remove a
conversation from Twitter or Parlor, sure, some people may give up, but most people will just find another platform — possibly a platform that is hidden from the eye of the public and law enforcement, thus making it even more dangerous because it can’t be tracked, monitored, responded to, etc.

This is of course just one example of many. I’m not saying it’s wrong to remove or block these conversations just that there are notable downsides that must be considered.

Then again I’m trying to argue in favor of rationality, which never seems to go well on these boards.

 

[cwosigns]

I do not try to insult anyone. And my apologies if I realize I misspelled or didn’t wrote a sentence clearly. This is just so tiring. You guys want to take the actions of a handful of people, and act like they speak for or are representative of the half of the country that disagrees with you. And that is absurd. It is exactly as absurd as it would be if I tried to take the actions of some Democrats that do very horrible things, and use them to define your entire party. I don’t know why you think it’s ok to do so, or appropriate... and it’s sad. This conversation is pointless. Good day to you.

Because your entire party is complicit because they failed to call out Donald Trump and the far-right fringe, racist, Nazi lunatics. Make an effort to clean your house, and you probably wouldn’t feel as criticized.

 

[5H3PH3RD]

I do not try to insult anyone. And my apologies if I realize I misspelled or didn’t wrote a sentence clearly. This is just so tiring. You guys want to take the actions of a handful of people, and act like they speak for or are representative of the half of the country that disagrees with you. And that is absurd. It is exactly as absurd as it would be if I tried to take the actions of some Democrats that do very horrible things, and use them to define your entire party. I don’t know why you think it’s ok to do so, or appropriate... and it’s sad. This conversation is pointless. Good day to you.

You re-wrote its context, you didn't merely correct spelling.

"act like they speak for..."

Funny, you are the one that called me a democrat because I don't agree with what you say. I'm not American and I am not a democrat. So your political assumptions of someone that doesn't align with you, tell me everything I need to know about you.