Apple Renews Motion Calling for U.S. Ban on Samsung Products

[RyanFlynn]

Lame, apple.

I wish apple would get back to their roots and focus on innovation rather than this petty lawsuit crap.

 

[kdarling]

I just want to know the legal merit for the argument Apple is using here.

They're not adding modern devices to the class action lawsuit. so the S4 and the like aren't being included in the suit or included in the original injunction.

Apple wants to get a broad injunction they can use against _any_ device that ever infringes any of those three patents.

That way, they'd only have to prove that a newer model infringed, without having to again prove that an injunction is necessary.

One trouble is, the need for an injunction can change. For example, Apple has now licensed most of those patents to several companies. Which makes it a lot harder to prove that an infringement cannot be monetarily fixed and thus would require an injunction.

This is more like you painting a masterpiece and someone photo copying it and selling their copy and making money off your work.

Apple lost any chance of an injunction based on their designs.

Samsung should make some other way to implement those features they copied from apple. Wouldn't that be true innovation? Yes.

Yep. And that's what they did.

• Samsung hasn't infringed one of the patents in two years.
• Another patent has almost certainly been invalidated.
• They claim to have a workaround for the last one.

 

[Sy7ygy]

iPhone with it's dated, over-priced, technology (immoral or not).

You are entitled to your opinion; but PLEASE do not spread illegitimate facts.

The 5S pi**es all over every other Smart Phone out there not only in hardware performance but Software too.

Android is a mess of an OS; a real mess.

 

[mbh]

I wish apple would get back to their roots and focus on innovation rather than this petty lawsuit crap.

You are aware that Apple has both Legal and Product Development departments, right? Statements like this make it sound like Apple Inc. only has two modes: Lawsuit or Innovate. Believe it or not, they can do both at the same time.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

But you do like thieves? Interesting.

This comes down to the concept of whether you can "steal" an idea. I'm sure for some it's just a legal question, but for others it's a ridiculous notion at some point. Someone decides to sell burgers fast and cheap, creating fast food. No one else on earth is then allowed to sell burgers that way.... I'm sorry but that's ridiculous and calling it thievery is JUST AS RIDICULOUS. It's a freaking smart phone. Sticking a touch-screen on a flipping phone isn't the most unique idea in the universe and letting ONE company be the ONLY one in the Universe that is allowed to have it would be just as absurd as letting McDonalds be the only fast food restaurant on the planet. In short, I find your suggestion RIDICULOUS, ABSURD and OUT OF LINE.

But it's the new thing to call everyone a "thief" these days based on the most abstract of concepts imaginable. Did Samsung steal OSX code? No. Did Samsung steal any code? No. Are icons a new thing to this world that using one to represent a program is unique and new? No. Are touch-sensitive devices a new thing to this world? No. So what exactly is Samsung "stealing" here? A bunch of pre-existing little things slapped into one device? Well, someone had to have the idea of putting air-conditioning into a movie theater first. Does that mean no other movie theater on the planet should be allowed to have air-conditioning? Yeah, this "idea theft" thing has gone way too far. The United States is about Capitalism, which is about COMPETITION for the consumer's benefit for prices, not about creating intellectual property laws out the wazoo to create MONOPOLIES for markets for ONE company. Software and abstract idea patents have gone too far and should not even be legal in the first place as it only hurts consumers and the economy. Apple is rich beyond reason. I can't feel sorry for them. No one at the top there is starving.

 

[Kr00]

Apple is not doing themselves any good with this BS. I don't own a smartphone, but if I did it would be a Samsung. I don't like monopolies.

Ha ha, you don't like monopolies, but would buy a Samsung phone? Do you even know anything about how they operate in Korea? Perhaps you need to know some things first.


http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee

 

[fourthtunz]

It would be fair of you to make another effort and show us some of the 10,000+ 1-on-1 copied items emerging from China and surrounding countries. Not just focus on Samsung as Apple does. Why don't they go after the other 'thieves'? Too much of a hassle and Samsung is high profile, those others (although they probably cause more damage) are not. Howl along with the other wolves in the forest, easy and safe. And go on, call me a hater.

Isn't apple one of Samsungs biggest customers?

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What about all of the Samsung components used in Apple products?

What about apple being one of Samsungs biggest customers?

 

[LordVic]

Isn't apple one of Samsungs biggest customers?

depends on which division of Samsung.

Samsung is huge. not just cell phone huge, but we're talking about a company on the scale that not only makes Cell phones, but CPUs, processors, chipsets, camera parts, networking components, washing machines, dryers, microwaves, fridges, home appliances other than that, military equipment, large shipping boats...

really.

they make military grade weaponry and equipment too.

to say that Apple is a LARGE part of their business is probably overestimating Samsung' reliance on Apple for business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

 

[Renzatic]

What about apple being one of Samsungs biggest customers?

Yeah! It's almost like they have a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Though in this situation, I would put the ball more in Samsung's court. It would exactly be fun and games for them if they lost Apple as one of their customers, but dent that'd make to their bottom line would only hurt them in the short term.

And Apple could go elsewhere for their fabbings needs. Problem is, there aren't many companies that can match Samsung when it comes to producing mass volumes of CPUs and components quickly while maintaining high quality yields. Without Samsung, any new Apple release would have to be pushed back by a few months in order to make sure they could meet the initial demand rush.

 

[fourthtunz]

As we all know, Apple has never borrowed or stolen ANYTHING in its entire history.

Not one single line of code or idea.

Ever.

Borrowing is one thing but Apple are innovators,
I can't think of one piece of apple tech that someone did before them.
And I'm not talking about concepts I'm talking about finished product where everyone else is standing there with their mouths open
iPod, iPhone, iPad etc

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Correct. The fault lies in the patents being allowed in the first place.
Apple:
"Uh, I want to patent a phone that is rectangular in shape, has a rectangular touchscreen and an Apple logo and you can make phone calls on it."
Patent office:
"duh OK."

Look at the Samsung phones before apple gave them the prototype.
Sumsung did not just copy a rectangular touchscreen

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Yeah! It's almost like they have a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Though in this situation, I would put the ball more in Samsung's court. It would exactly be fun and games for them if they lost Apple as one of their customers, but dent that'd make to their bottom line would only hurt them in the short term.

And Apple could go elsewhere for their fabbings needs. Problem is, there aren't many companies that can match Samsung when it comes to producing mass volumes of CPUs and components quickly while maintaining high quality yields. Without Samsung, any new Apple release would have to be pushed back by a few months in order to make sure they could meet the initial demand rush.

No it's almost like Samsung is double dipping, "yes we'll produce parts
For your new phone, and thanks for the idea for our new phone".
Why is it that Apple winning In court doesn't matter?

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depends on which division of Samsung.

Samsung is huge. not just cell phone huge, but we're talking about a company on the scale that not only makes Cell phones, but CPUs, processors, chipsets, camera parts, networking components, washing machines, dryers, microwaves, fridges, home appliances other than that, military equipment, large shipping boats...

really.

they make military grade weaponry and equipment too.

to say that Apple is a LARGE part of their business is probably overestimating Samsung' reliance on Apple for business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

Yes I've aware as I've seen you support Samsung before..
Samsung did not copy apples bulldozer but their iPhone.
They won in court, works for me.

 

[Illusion986]

Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe you Apple. Why don't you actually invent something yourself rather than repackage other people's technology in a shiny little box. I don't call that innovation.

Its called Smart Business and they are doing it really well. Finding best technologies purchasing those companies or rights to use them and making a danm good product, then packing it in a very attractive package. I fail to see what is wrong with that...?

 

[tundrabuggy]

Easily Solved

This is such an easy argument to win, If Apple doesn't innovate first and allow Samsung to copy, then consumers will get utterly useless mundane dog crap like the Samsung watch. Lets see how quickly Samsung copies Apple's new watch.....remember the Samsung engineer who said (about the watch), "We work on this soooooooooo long" and it was a monumental flop. That my friends, is Samsung innovation at its finest!

 

[fredaroony]

Android is a mess of an OS; a real mess.

How exactly is it a "mess of an OS"? How about actually detailing some examples instead of making broad statement.

 

[Renzatic]

No it's almost like Samsung is double dipping, "yes we'll produce parts
For your new phone, and thanks for the idea for our new phone".
Why is it that Apple winning In court doesn't matter?

Right. "We'll fab your hardware for you, then use that time to lift a bunch of software bits and pieces we won't ever have direct access to, and can only see it when it's out for the general public".

Makes total sense.

 

[fredaroony]

depends on which division of Samsung.

Samsung is huge. not just cell phone huge, but we're talking about a company on the scale that not only makes Cell phones, but CPUs, processors, chipsets, camera parts, networking components, washing machines, dryers, microwaves, fridges, home appliances other than that, military equipment, large shipping boats...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

They are also in the medical and mining market.

 

[LordVic]

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I can't think of one piece of apple tech that someone did before them.
.

this alone speaks volumes of your ignorance.

the rest of your post just plays along those lines. The rest of the post is just layering it on further and further.

I can't help you. May The Flying Spaghetti monster have mercy on your ethereal being.

 

[hoon2999]

Oh my god. So many isheep all over. Stop making us iPhone users look bad. I own all the iPads+iPhone 5 but I consider these lawsuits as wasting time. If Samsung was so into copying, why didnt they follow iPhone 4 design? And dont forget that Samsung and couple other companies are mocking Apple by actually copying Apple's design/marketting now. Thanks to Apple's endless lawsuit trolling, everyone got sick of it.(eg. Samsung's tablet boxes)

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This is such an easy argument to win, If Apple doesn't innovate first and allow Samsung to copy, then consumers will get utterly useless mundane dog crap like the Samsung watch. Lets see how quickly Samsung copies Apple's new watch.....remember the Samsung engineer who said (about the watch), "We work on this soooooooooo long" and it was a monumental flop. That my friends, is Samsung innovation at its finest!

And uhhhh... If Apple makes watch, isnt it make Apple copycat? I mean according to Apple's lawsuit, every rounded corner phones that has green call button and running apps, are copying iPhone. So if Apple makes a square watch that connects to smartphone and display informations and such, thats basically copying pebble or smart watch. Also samsung patent circle design for smart watch, so...

Well unless Apple make it triangle

 

[AppleScruff1]

Right. "We'll fab your hardware for you, then use that time to lift a bunch of software bits and pieces we won't ever have direct access to, and can only see it when it's out for the general public".

Makes total sense.

Thank you for the behind the scenes info. That must be worth a freezer full of hotpockets.



Disclaimer: This post is in jest.

 

[Renzatic]

Thank you for the behind the scenes info. That must be worth a freezer full of hotpockets.

Just three boxes is all.

 

[HenryDJP]

Funny you should mention Xerox, because Apple has copied them. Lulz.

Funny how you don't even verify history before making nonsense replies. Apple did not copy Xerox. They invited Apple and Steve Jobs to their R&D lab and showed him the concept of a mouse with point and click icons. Xerox made it very clear that they had no idea what to do with this concept nor were they trying to go to market with it. Steve talked Xerox into letting him and Apple have the concept and develop something from it.

Next time, please do your homework.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Just three boxes is all.

You should have held out for more.

 

[fourthtunz]

this alone speaks volumes of your ignorance.

the rest of your post just plays along those lines. The rest of the post is just layering it on further and further.

I can't help you. May The Flying Spaghetti monster have mercy on your ethereal being.

I'm giving you a pass being that you're from Canada, and not in
"the real world"

The fact that you did not mention tech that came before the iPhone,
ipad or the iPod speaks to your ignorance.
I'm not saying that pieces of that tech did not exist before
but in those 3 cases the competition could only play copy/catch up.

 

[HenryDJP]

Whether they had permission or not is irrelevant. The fact is, they didn't come up with the idea themselves and copied it.

Stop the hate, you're starting to look foolish. Getting permission from a company to use their idea is not copying. For goodness sake. Sheesh.

 

[Renzatic]

Henry's got me on ignore for being an Apple Hater, but for the sake of correctness, I'm gonna go on record by stating he's not entirely right. Xerox itself didn't see much of a future in computers, let alone GUIs, but PARC did, and was able to convince them to release the Star, which sold for...well, not great, it started at $10,000 USD back in '81, but it was on the market.

Apple licensed the rights to the GUI from Xerox around that same time, and expanded upon it, eventually releasing two products, the Lisa, which was a flop for the very same reason the Star was, and the Macintosh, which sold fairly well it's first year, but tapered off after that. The first truly commercially successful GUI based system was actually the Amiga 500, which pretty much blew everyone away back when it came out, and sold a ton for its time.

And yeah, Apple did come up with some interesting GUI concepts that weren't covered by the Star, though not as much as some people tend to believe around here. Their biggest contribution to the GUI was drag 'n drop, the universal menu, and the trash can. Impressive stuff, but they hardly deserve credit for graphical user interfaces because of it.

And yeah, the Star did have overlapping windows before the Mac.

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You should have held out for more.

I wanted to. Hell, I tried to. But I was so damn hungry, man. And they knew it!

 

[fourthtunz]

Right. "We'll fab your hardware for you, then use that time to lift a bunch of software bits and pieces we won't ever have direct access to, and can only see it when it's out for the general public".

Makes total sense.

Evidently you were't around or haven't seen pictures of the phones that were available before the iPhone came out? The samsung phones look more like the iPhone than other phones, if you want to believe in fairy tales thats fine, I have a slightly used bridge that I'd like to sell you,.