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Apple Reportedly Aiming to Upgrade the MacBook Pro Twice This Year

RumorConsumer said:
I think Apple wants all our money enough to do the M6 Pro/Max redesigned MBP this year. I can feel it. My wallet is trembling and it only does that when death is near.
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If that’s the case you should really be worried more about your own demise as it sounds like your wallet is giving you warning signs from beyond.😂
 
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darngooddesign said:
The Osborne Effect refers to a manufacturer, not rumors, telling people about an update long before its release. Due to sales of the V1 plummeting, they weren’t able to adequately finance the V2.

To clarify, the V2 was affected by the Effect’s effect.

Hopefully Apple either delivers the redesign with the M5-Pro/Max, or delivers it with the M6s.
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Right, so V2 became a rumor because people decided to skip V1 and get the much better V2 instead.
 
MacAddict1978 said:
It's almost as if you're unaware that touch screen laptops have been around for 20+ years except in the Apple bubble.

Windows is touch and mouse optimized without developers needing to optimize their apps for touch. If Apple just looks at the disaster that Windows 8 - that made you switch between experiences, and MS's quick change in direction, they're good.

Do you think IOS apps are all manually optimized for touch?? All of that was pushed into the OS level. It's not a magical feat of engineering here. On a laptop, most people are presenting and changing slides, pinch and zoom, scrolling.... it's not like an iPad where you'd be trying to type text using an on screen keyboard.

Some people will have ZERO use for this - others will rejoice that Apple finally unveiled something 20 years later.
Personally, I want to see a detachable screen kind of like the first Windows Surface laptop that did that, but betting the redesign allows the screen to fold over into that form factor like the Lenovo Origami.
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I'm not really sure what you are trying to say, or what it is you think I was trying to say myself.

I'm aware that touch support exists outside of Apple's ecosystem. I'm not sure how I could have written what I did if I wasn't aware of that. My whole post was built around the idea that touch is considered normal on portable devices now, including laptops. I don't live in an Apple bubble. I followed the development of Windows 8 when it was happening, both by participating in its Insider program, and by being one of the few people to bother reading Steven Sinofsky's "Building Windows 8" blog where he outlined his rationale for various UI design decisions. Later, I experienced how this worked on a touch-first device for myself using 4 different models of Microsoft Surface tablets and a Dell Venue 8-inch tablet. I followed the news as I watched the public fallout of Windows 8's redesign and the way Microsoft walked back on nearly all of it, first in baby steps with Windows 8.1 and then whole hog with Windows 10.

I have a separate opinion when it comes to touch-first devices that I was not expressing in that post. That post was focused on a mouse-first device that happened to have a touchscreen as a secondary input. There is an assumption in the Apple community that adding a touchscreen to a Macbook would require Apple to completely redesign macOS and Mac apps to be touch-first, and this seems to be the main reason why people don't want touch support on MacBooks. I was arguing the exact opposite of what you seem to think I was arguing - that Apple does not have to make such changes to macOS, and that it shouldn't. The entire UI does not need to be revamped to accommodate the instinct to hit an OK button with your finger every now and then.

Maybe try reading what I wrote again, particularly the part you quoted?
 
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nickf said:
The 040 was an amazing chip (as used in the AV Quadras - absolute beasts of machines for their day). It did run a little hot, though.
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That’s why I picked the 68040. It was a great processor at the time. I have many fond memories of Quadra and Centris systems.

They are nowhere nearly as good as what we have today, but I enjoyed using them at the time.
 
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Pupalei said:
I'm one who will buy the M5 Pro MBP when it comes out, assuming it's released in March or sooner. I've been burned buying the 1st gen 'newly designed' Apple products in the past and don't find current screens lacking for work.

I am fairly excited for the Studio Display '2', although I'd be more excited if it were 32 inches.
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Their flaws took a while to come out but once you see them it can be obnoxious. That said for work it’s mild and really it’s a beautiful screen and speaker system. The issues are there is large display lag if you try to game and I think a lot of ghosting in fast movement. But these aren’t gaming laptops so makes sense. Oled screens should be able to make it work better for the two video games getting Mac support every year.
I personally rarely noticed the halo effect on miniled but it was super obvious for me on m1 iPad I couldn’t swap to an m4 iPad Pro fast enough. But there are conditions where the haloing is obvious as well.
 
seek3r said:
Honestly if I could have a 4s with modern internals I’d be fine with that, perfect size to fit in the hand
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Yep. That was the selling point of the then-SE in 2016. iPhone 6S in a 5S shell.. and none of the 6/6S design garbage. Win win win. That’s why it sold so well, too.

best of all: I got TouchID and a headphone jack. ☺️ (wait.. are we still arguing over that? I can’t keep up with the skirmish du jour). It’s still the lightest and thinnest phone to this date. Yes, more so than the iPhone Air.
 
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Luna Murasaki said:
How come?

To me the point of having a touchscreen is that the screen now reacts when you touch it just as people have come to expect from screens attached to portable devices these days. I've heard stories of small children crying when a screen doesn't respond to touch because they think it is broken. Even my Dad, who is in his 70s, keeps trying to touch the screen of his M1 MacBook Pro because he normally works with his iPad.

I don't think adding a touchscreen warrants redesigning the whole OS and apps to become touch-first, and I really hope that is not what they're planning. Everything can remain mouse oriented. But I think the odd time you instinctively reach up to touch an OK button with your finger, it should work instead of making you feel like an idiot. The rest of the time it can be ignored, or it can be used heavily if that's what the user wants to do.

We have touchpads below the keyboard on laptops too. Some people use them all the time. Other people ignore them 99% of the time because they have a separate mouse they use instead. But they are still there. I know people were absolutely livid when Apple removed the SD card slot from the side of the MacBook Pro. I didn't even notice. I've only once held an SD card before in my life and I wouldn't know how to use one with a computer. I personally find the notch incredibly annoying because I have not once ever needed to use the built-in webcam on my MacBook Pro, so it serves zero purpose for me. But I guess enough people need a webcam with their laptops and I accept that this device was not made with just me in mind.

I get the idea that a touchscreen adds cost, and that if you shave off all non-essential components from a computer, it can save money. But we are not talking about a 200USD netbook here, and I feel there are much less essential components that should be left out before a touchscreen would if tight budgets are really a concern. It seems weird to me that a device as expensive and as premium as a MacBook Pro that can currently cost up to 7,349USD has no touch support in 2026.

I also find touchscreens much easier to clean. A screen still gets dirty after all even if you never touch it with your fingers, even by accident.
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For me the worry would be that it’s changing a formerly-simple part to a complex part. More complex part = more liability. No longevity foresight, higher chance of defects or failure, cost of having to replace or fix.

Dead pixel but Apple Care expired? $1200.

I’d argue that there’s a non-zero chance of an increase in issues with a new complex part like this UNLESS it is premium quality like the screen of an iPad Pro. But imagine the cost. Apple’s not gonna go all-out premium cause it wouldn’t sell due to $.
 
throAU said:
Have M4 max. Want more.

I'm still waiting for things like renders and LLMs, and gaming is still not fast enough which means I need to keep my desktop.
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A Powercolor RX 6900 XT is a fairly modern graphics card. Sure, it's hard to turn on all the bells and whistles without the most expensive hardware, but I'm sure you can comfortably run most games at decent settings and frames per second.

And now that the supply of RAM has decreased and prices have increased, you'll need to keep your desktop for a long time before new parts become affordable again. Thankfully, you've got a modern card to keep you going for a while.
 
257Loner said:
A Powercolor RX 6900 XT is a fairly modern graphics card. Sure, it's hard to turn on all the bells and whistles without the most expensive hardware, but I'm sure you can comfortably run most games at decent settings and frames per second.

And now that the supply of RAM has decreased and prices have increased, you'll need to keep your desktop for a long time before new parts become affordable again. Thankfully, you've got a modern card to keep you going for a while.
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Yeah i want more from my macbook pro.

The 6900XT is 4 years old now at least. The desktop PC i built is originally from 2020. It is due for retirement (despite spec, the hardware is old and hardware has a life cycle before it becomes more likely to fail). I either build a new desktop or apple offers me something near enough. The m4 max is close but not quite.

Point being: no - m3 generation is NOT enough, in response to the post i replied to originally with the previous post.

More to the point - i want this power in an ipad form factor.

We’re way off that. Apple and the industry has a long way to go yet before reaching anywhere close to “good enough”.

If you think hardware today is “good enough” you’re not thinking too hard.


Don’t get me wrong - i’m not taking anything away from what we have. today’s hardware is AMAZING. my first computer had 16k of ram and ran at <1 mhz (not ghz) and had an 8 bit processor.

All i’m saying is there’s a long way to go just yet.
 
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