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Sorry Donald, no US jobs. Trade imbalance with China will be transferred to other Asian countries instead. BRILLIANT! FINANCIAL GENIUS!
By the same token, you can’t just do nothing. At least USA won’t be creating jobs for China exclusively.
 
I say:
Bring all the production to the separatist southern states, as they want to secede from the union under the MAGA banner: cheap labor, no taxes, state give-backs, and even fly proudly the confederate flag.

MSSGA ::= Make Southern States Great Again./s


Why would the southern states separate? Based on current evidence, it appears they actually won the Civil War.
 
No they don’t. Manufacturing is not coming to your glorious country. You’re just paying more.
You have completely missed the point.
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If China is such a big bully what makes you think they won't bully their neighbors as well, what makes you think China won't have any influence on south east Asian countries and that US will get into "FAIR" and "HONEST" trade agreements with these countries?
This will only reduce China’s ability to bully those other countries. How is that a bad thing?
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Actually it does help because then you don’t have a biased perspective ;) It is always helpful to be able to see things from both ends rather then just one end ;)


You also said that China is the crooked lying bully of the world. Trump has given the US this image around the world as well with all the lies he has told and bullying he has done ;)


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Trump isn’t bullying the world. Our previous president’s presidency was a total failure, nothing more than an 8-year-long world apology tour where he apologized to every country in the world simply because America’s better than them. Obama did nothing more than stand by while the entire world took advantage of the US. Now Trump comes along and says it’s time for people to start making fair trade agreements with the US and people label him as a bully. Lol.
 
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Sorry Donald, no US jobs. Trade imbalance with China will be transferred to other Asian countries instead. BRILLIANT! FINANCIAL GENIUS!

It actually is brilliant. In the last two years the U.S. economy has been booming with record high sustained historic growth rates and unemployment rates at fifty year historic lows. The future of manufacturing is in other Asian countries. Diversifying is a good thing for Apple. Product sales and presence in China hasn't panned out to be the pot of gold that many companies who invested heavily there had expected. Apple has given up a lot to have a major presence in China with less return than previously predicted. They won't be held to the same restrictions on their economic control or on tariffs in other countries.
 
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Thanks, but Trump didn’t need Obama’s help. We haven’t reached a half-century low in unemployment rates cuz of Obama. Trump has been tearing down all the tax policies and regulations that Obama put in place, so to say that this is because of Obama is ridiculous. Also, I would love to see what would have happened if Obama ever actually got the balls to put a 25% tariff on China. His economy would have dropped like a rock. Cuz China would know he couldn’t back it up. All bark, no bite. That’s not the case with Trump. The economy is SO good that he can put a 25% tariff on China and threaten Mexico with tariffs, and our economy is still INCREDIBLE. BTW, I dare you to show me some evidence of how these tariffs have negatively impacted the American people. They haven’t.
 
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You have completely missed the point.
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This will only reduce China’s ability to bully those other countries. How is that a bad thing?
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Trump isn’t bullying the world. Our previous president’s presidency was a total failure, nothing more than an 8-year-long world apology tour where he apologized to every country in the world simply because America’s better than them. Obama did nothing more than stand by while the entire world took advantage of the US. Now Trump comes along and says it’s time for people to start making fair trade agreements with the US and people label him as a bully. Lol.

That is a matter of opinion.. Trump’s bullying, blackmailing and threats to others around the world are well documented. Obama did not bend over. I would say Trump bent over a lot more for Netanyahu in support of all of his policies than Obama ever did.

I am with you on fair trade when it comes to tariffs being equally implemented but this is not what this is really all about. There are more political agendas behind this for other reasons.
 
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That is a matter of opinion.. Trump’s bullying, blackmailing and threats to others around the world are well documented. Obama did not bend over. I would say Trump bent over a lot more for Netanyahu in support of all of his policies than Obama ever did.

I am with you on fair trade when it comes to tariffs being equally implemented but this is not what this is really all about. There are more political agendas behind this for other reasons.
No. There are no political agendas when we’re talking bout opposition to China. It’s simply the right thing to do. If Trump didn’t do anything, then China WILL become a much bigger problem than they are now. Trump made the right decision to leverage the power of our current economy to put pressure on China. Even if it means a potential risk to our economy, there is simply no better time to do it. And for anyone who opposes it, I would ask them the question, “Then what do you propose we do??”
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We've seen all those "hurting people" camping outside in the rain and filling every arena he shows up at for a rally. :rolleyes:
While Biden barely eeks out 200 people if he even shows up to his own rally’s. Impeach Trump rally’s in deep blue New York didn’t reach over 300 people. I watched Lawrence Jones go and interview people at those impeach rally’s and they told him, “Go back to Fox News and pick their cotton.” “Why don’t you just go back to Kenya?” Liberal hypocrisy at its finest.
 
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That is a matter of opinion.. Trump’s bullying, blackmailing and threats to others around the world are well documented. Obama did not bend over. I would say Trump bent over a lot more for Netanyahu in support of all of his policies than Obama ever did.

I am with you on fair trade when it comes to tariffs being equally implemented but this is not what this is really all about. There are more political agendas behind this for other reasons.
Considering that as multi billionaire businessman he's not beholden to anyone, no company, not even a party and this being in his first political office ever and only being President for two years you are giving him an amazing amount of credit as being an insider savvy and agenda driven politician.
 
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No. There are no political agendas when we’re talking bout opposition to China. It’s simply the right thing to do. If Trump didn’t do anything, then China WILL become a much bigger problem than they are now. Trump made the right decision to leverage the power of our current economy to put pressure on China. Even if it means a potential risk to our economy, there is simply no better time to do it. And for anyone who opposes it, I would ask them the question, “Then what do you propose we do??”
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While Biden barely eeks out 200 people if he even shows up to his own rally’s. Impeach Trump rally’s in deep blue New York didn’t reach over 300 people. I watched Lawrence Jones go and interview people at those impeach rally’s and they told him, “Go back to Fox News and pick their cotton.” “Why don’t you just go back to Kenya?” Liberal hypocrisy at its finest.

That's a fair question. I see nothing wrong with negotiating tariff disputes with China even if a heavy hand is needed. I would support that as I do support fair trade and when I say that I mean that by the likes of when we import your toilets we charge you 5% duties where you charge us 25% duties and we find that unfair (an example only here) and we would like for things to be equally implemented or we could match your tariffs as well then that would not be good for any of us.

Surely you have not forgotten..;)



https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...ndidate-facing-backlash-for-go-back-to-africa

 
It actually is brilliant. In the last two years the U.S. economy has been booming with record high sustained historic growth rates and unemployment rates at fifty year historic lows. The future of manufacturing is in other Asian countries. Diversifying is a good thing for Apple. Product sales and presence in China hasn't panned out to be the pot of gold that many companies who invested heavily there had expected. Apple has given up a lot to have a major presence in China with less return than previously predicted. They won't be held to the same restrictions on their economic control or on tariffs in other countries.
You can thank the previous administration for that. They inherited the mess economy and left it on the upswing.

President Cheetoh head doesn't have to do anything and the economy will boom, instead he does a non-factor set of tax cuts and threatens our allies to damage our own economy for things which are really non-problems.
 
You can thank the previous administration for that. They inherited the mess economy and left it on the upswing.

President Cheetoh head doesn't have to do anything and the economy will boom, instead he does a non-factor set of tax cuts and threatens our allies to damage our own economy for things which are really non-problems.
So what you are saying is that for eight years... with historically low fed interest rates and a few trillion dollars of government "stimulus package" spending to boost the economy it was sluggish and anemic for those eight years and unemployment rates were terrible (statistically one of the worst recoveries in US history).... and despite the previous administration basically saying prior to 2016 that the current 3% annual growth in the US economy would be impossible... and that the current record low unemployment rates would be impossible... You actually believe that the last two years of Trump admin economic policies of deregulation, tax cuts, pro-business, etc.... (even with fed interest rates being increased significantly many times over the last two years) has had nothing to do with the historic record economic success that we have been having in the U.S. for exactly these last two years? o_O
 
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That's a fair question. I see nothing wrong with negotiating tariff disputes with China even if a heavy hand is needed. I would support that as I do support fair trade and when I say that I mean that by the likes of when we import your toilets we charge you 5% duties where you charge us 25% duties and we find that unfair (an example only here) and we would like for things to be equally implemented or we could match your tariffs as well then that would not be good for any of us.

Surely you have not forgotten..;)



https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...ndidate-facing-backlash-for-go-back-to-africa

Then go ahead and put a 25% tariff on America’s toilets. See if it makes a difference. And what’s your point? Conservatives ain’t the ones out on the streets chanting, “Black good. White bad. Poor good. Rich bad.” The democrats are running a freakin **** show and they know it.
 
Then go ahead and put a 25% tariff on America’s toilets. See if it makes a difference. And what’s your point? Conservatives ain’t the ones out on the streets chanting, “Black good. White bad. Poor good. Rich bad.” The democrats are running a freakin **** show and they know it.
It's actually interesting how these tariffs are further effecting the corporate view of future investing in China. There already was growing skepticism among world corporations who were committing to China for most of their manufacturing before the tariffs. The tariffs are just giving many of these corporations an excuse to change course now and ramp up manufacturing in other countries that don't have all the problems created by the extreme control that the government insists it must have over companies that want to do business in their country.
 
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So what you are saying is that for eight years... with historically low fed interest rates and a few trillion dollars of government "stimulus package" spending to boost the economy it was sluggish and anemic for those eight years and unemployment rates were terrible (statistically one of the worst recoveries in US history).... and despite the previous administration basically saying prior to 2016 that the current 3% annual growth in the US economy would be impossible... and that the current record low unemployment rates would be impossible... You actually believe that the last two years of Trump admin economic policies of deregulation, tax cuts, pro-business, etc.... (even with fed interest rates being increased significantly many times over the last two years) has had nothing to do with the historic record economic success that we have been having in the U.S. for exactly these last two years? o_O
No. I'm saying they have a lot more to do with the turnaround which began under the prior administration.

Because they do.

Enjoy your fantasy land.
 
Like most of what you're saying, your consideration is inaccurate.
Instead of making errant personal statements why don't you stick with the argument being discussed and try to provide some kind of evidence, data, facts, etc.. to back the claims you seem to be making... That the last two years of a historic record economy has nothing to do with Trump's economic policies for the last two years?

Since the last two years of historic economic growth and historically low unemployment couldn't have by any form of logic be "damaging" to the economy for at least the last two years... that leaves you with trying to logically explain how the previous administration's policies for eight years magically and mysteriously generated this sudden record US growth and low unemployment... coincidentally happening precisely during the two years of time after the Trump economic policies were implemented... That would have been quite a feat of timing by the previous eight year administration if as you say it was true. We'd like your economic insights into how this happened because I'm not sure anything quite like this has ever happened before in the US economy.
 
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The tariffs are putting China in its place. And anyone who says that’s not an issue is an idiot. The world’s economy will ONLY benefit in the long run from this. China is the crooked, lying bully of the world.
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The point of tariffs isn’t to being jobs back to the US. People need to understand that the point is to send China the message that the US ain’t gonna let them keep bullying people around like they have been for decades, and it’s working.

That's BS and you've been swallowing Idiot Leader's carp. Benefit in the long run? So putting uncertainty in the world markets, dragging down the value of my superannuation for my retirement is okay for the US, Bully of the World is okay. BS!
 
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Monitor + stand are cheaper than equally specced alternatives.

MP starts at $6k, not $12k

and what are you going to use to view everything from your mp, your imagination?

The point here is not whether iPhone price will rise, it’s how much they will rise? 10% every year or 2000% overnight? This is a huge difference.

price increase from 7 to xs wasn't 10% every year, neither was 7 to x, or even 7+ to either of the x models.
 
and what are you going to use to view everything from your mp, your imagination?



price increase from 7 to xs wasn't 10% every year, neither was 7 to x, or even 7+ to either of the x models.
That 10% is not a literal figure, but rather shows the scale. That 10% means a small or moderate increase while 2000% means a giant price hike.
 
That's BS and you've been swallowing Idiot Leader's carp. Benefit in the long run? So putting uncertainty in the world markets, dragging down the value of my superannuation for my retirement is okay for the US, Bully of the World is okay. BS!
It sounds like you are having a terrible time with the executive branch's policies and current state of U.S. economy. You could always move to Venezuela for your retirement where they have a more progressive political ideology. If you don't mind the toilet paper shortage, lack of potable drinking water and frequent random electrical outages... I hear the weather there is nice this time of year and you could get quite a deal on the exchange rate for your USD currency.
 
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Then go ahead and put a 25% tariff on America’s toilets. See if it makes a difference. And what’s your point? Conservatives ain’t the ones out on the streets chanting, “Black good. White bad. Poor good. Rich bad.” The democrats are running a freakin **** show and they know it.

My point is that tariffs can be equal and I am fine with that. You charge me 5% and I will charge you 5%. Charge me 50% and I will also charge you 50%. This is fair and I have no objections with that.
 
...This IS possible as Samsung already demonstrated this by moving their production to Vietnam (albeit it took them 10 years to get Vietnam up to speed)...

Interesting. I’ve been hearing good things about the willingness of Vietnam to make some pretty great investments to do good work in our industry as well.

And after domestic cycling manufacturing collapsed 15 years ago, I just bought a new mountain bike from the quintessential premium American racing brand Yeti, fully expecting it to be fabricated by China just like the industry’s offerings, but to my surprise, it was handbuilt in Vietnam. Being in the composites biz myself, I fully inspected it inside & out, and the craftsmanship is absolutely first rate and meticulous, far beyond the norms typical of the consumer market. Impressive.
 
Interesting how the bigger American corporations pick communist countries :p Moving from China to Vietnam o_O On the bright side though there is an advantage as you work out a deal with the guy up on top and all flows well after. Generally speaking you are immune from little BS lawsuits along the way.
 
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