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...They will not show the unit sales. So its the same people buying those expensive phones again and again. Apple can only raise the prices till these customers are willing to pay. I hope you realise it wont be long before we have a $2000 iPhone in the coming years (I envision 7 different models at different price points all with compromises except for the $2000 one)...
Yes, Apple will no longer show unit sales and going forward, it's going to be difficult to split apart the numbers (although it won't stop the "analysts" from doing the same and claiming they hit the nail on the head).

As far as what you label "compromises", many industries offer products with options that increase the prices. Cars come to mind, do you buy a car with every single option. If you don't, your car is "compromised". Samsung does the same thing with it's Galaxy S lineup and Note 9 lineup. S lineup must be "compromised".

I think Apple has established it's price points. Next years' lineup will have an equivalent range of products as well and the iphone 7 probably will be dropped.
 
Yes, Apple will no longer show unit sales and going forward, it's going to be difficult to split apart the numbers (although it won't stop the "analysts" from doing the same and claiming they hit the nail on the head).

As far as what you label "compromises", many industries offer products with options that increase the prices. Cars come to mind, do you buy a car with every single option. If you don't, your car is "compromised". Samsung does the same thing with it's Galaxy S lineup and Note 9 lineup. S lineup must be "compromised".

I think Apple has established it's price points. Next years' lineup will have an equivalent range of products as well and the iphone 7 probably will be dropped.

If Apple start copying the business model of the car industry then we really should worry lol. The consumer market for phones is a lot more open and once a company start focusing all their exciting innovations into their most expensive models, the interest will start to drop off. Apple will find that if they are not careful.
 
If Apple start copying the business model of the car industry then we really should worry lol. The consumer market for phones is a lot more open and once a company start focusing all their exciting innovations into their most expensive models, the interest will start to drop off. Apple will find that if they are not careful.
The A12 Bionic chip, which is an innovative chip is in all 2018 phones. But the dual lens isn’t. To your point it seems mobil phone manufactures are tiering their lineups. Apple isn’t the only company stratifying their lineup.
 
The A12 Bionic chip, which is an innovative chip is in all 2018 phones. But the dual lens isn’t. To your point it seems mobil phone manufactures are tiering their lineups. Apple isn’t the only company stratifying their lineup.
If Apple are continuing to tier their lineup then that’s pretty much setting out that we are going to continue to see this plateau. My worry is the mid tier device will continue to be a compromised device just to keep it under a grand.
 
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Yes, Apple will no longer show unit sales and going forward, it's going to be difficult to split apart the numbers (although it won't stop the "analysts" from doing the same and claiming they hit the nail on the head).

As far as what you label "compromises", many industries offer products with options that increase the prices. Cars come to mind, do you buy a car with every single option. If you don't, your car is "compromised". Samsung does the same thing with it's Galaxy S lineup and Note 9 lineup. S lineup must be "compromised".

I think Apple has established it's price points. Next years' lineup will have an equivalent range of products as well and the iphone 7 probably will be dropped.

If you were a Plus user from 2014-2017, you need to pay $1200 for an iPhone XS Max to enjoy exactly the same features the Plus used. Soon, as unit sales further decline, Apple will raise the prices again to $1500 to compensate. More customers will drop off but profits maintained/increase because of higher SP. This will continue to happen until those who will buy anything with an Apple logo on it reach their limit. In 2024, there will be a $2000 iPhone and if you want to enjoy the same features the XS Max offers currently at $1200, pay $2000. The rest are compromised crap devices.

The best flagship from Apple used to cost $799. Those same features now cost $1200
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The A12 Bionic chip, which is an innovative chip is in all 2018 phones. But the dual lens isn’t. To your point it seems mobil phone manufactures are tiering their lineups. Apple isn’t the only company stratifying their lineup.

Samsung's devices at 3 price points aren't as compromised as Apple's are. The S9 for instance doesn't have an inferior display to the Note 9 like the XR does to the XS Max. I cringe at 336 PPI in 2018
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Yes, Apple will no longer show unit sales and going forward, it's going to be difficult to split apart the numbers (although it won't stop the "analysts" from doing the same and claiming they hit the nail on the head).

As far as what you label "compromises", many industries offer products with options that increase the prices. Cars come to mind, do you buy a car with every single option. If you don't, your car is "compromised". Samsung does the same thing with it's Galaxy S lineup and Note 9 lineup. S lineup must be "compromised".

I think Apple has established it's price points. Next years' lineup will have an equivalent range of products as well and the iphone 7 probably will be dropped.

I also don't replace my car every single year like my phone. Cars aren't replaced with the same frequency as a phone so the price increase there doesn't matter much
 
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If you were a Plus user from 2014-2017, you need to pay $1200 for an iPhone XS Max to enjoy exactly the same features the Plus used. Soon, as unit sales further decline, Apple will raise the prices again to $1500 to compensate. More customers will drop off but profits maintained/increase because of higher SP. This will continue to happen until those who will buy anything with an Apple logo on it reach their limit. In 2024, there will be a $2000 iPhone and if you want to enjoy the same features the XS Max offers currently at $1200, pay $2000. The rest are compromised crap devices.
The Xs Max is far more tech than the plus versions. The screensize of the X and Xs closely mirrors the screen size of the plus. If you want the bigger screen, you are paying more for more tech. That's the way value pricing works. The upgrade path from the plus models is the X or Xs. The top of the line, which is not comparable to any other phone is the Xs Max.

The Xr may not be for you, but according to Tim Cook, the Xr appeals to a demographic as it is a popular selling phone.

The remainder of your post is hyperbole and spin.

The best flagship from Apple used to cost $799. Those same features now cost $1200
That's correct there is far more tech in the best flagship of today, than the best flagship of yesteryear. The tech is reflected in the price.

Samsung's devices at 3 price points aren't as compromised as Apple's are. The S9 for instance doesn't have an inferior display to the Note 9 like the XR does to the XS Max. I cringe at 336 PPI in 2018
That's some spin, "aren't as compromised"? Subjective at every level.

Since you brought up the to me the display is the least important part of the phone, to others as well; they've said it on MR. I'd rather have an apple lcd than a Samsung oled. (Oh wait, I do).

I also don't replace my car every single year like my phone. Cars aren't replaced with the same frequency as a phone so the price increase there doesn't matter much
Red-herring. It doesn't matter how often you replace your car. If you don't get the top of the line car, your car is compromised according to your logic.
 
I have both the X and the 7 Plus and even in normal web browsing the 7 Plus displays more text spacing on the screen on a single page and is more comfortable to read.
"Comfortable" is an opinion, and you've shown yourself to be anything but objective here. Also, I thought PPI was really important to you? That's why you trashed the XR. Hmmm...

Its why the iPhone X lacks a landscape mode for the keyboard and homescreen while the XS Max has this.
o_O

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Unless you're talking about the split screen iPad-esque behavior on the Plus. Yeah, once again, your "it's why" is pure conjecture.

The X is the new smaller iPhone. The XS Max is the plus model.
Uh, no, once again, the X/XS is the more like the Plus in a smaller, thinner form, and the XS Max is the super duper super-sized phone. Let's again use facts...

They have different aspect ratios hence its not bigger.
"Hence" means because. Let's do math (I know this isn't your favorite). Repeating my previous, but with the multiplication for number of pixels this time:

Screen Size (Diagonal):
X and XS: 5.8”
8 Plus: 5.5”

Resolution:
X and XS (458 ppi): 1125 x 2436 = 2,740,500 pixels
8 Plus (401 ppi): 1080 x 1920 = 2,073,600 pixels

And I'll mention again: you previously complained about the PPI on the XR, so you can't suddenly say you don't care about PPI. So...which is it? Does it matter, or not?


Also the notch cuts into the content. If you remove the notch content while web browsing and watching videos, its even smaller
Forget the Max which is in a completely different league, contrary to the fallacy you're trying to perpetuate. Looking at the X/XS in portrait mode, the area difference between the 8 Plus and the X/XS is....2.98% less. That's it. A tiny loss for a vastly better screen. Oh and proof positive that the 8 Plus and the XS are the comparable models—not the XS Max as you keep claiming and I keep debunking.

They will not show the unit sales. So its the same people buying those expensive phones again and again.
Assumption -- no proof or evidence.

Apple can only raise the prices till these customers are willing to pay. I hope you realise it wont be long before we have a $2000 iPhone in the coming years (I envision 7 different models at different price points all with compromises except for the $2000 one)
No proof. Not even a shred of reason to think this would be the case. Also laughable. Just no. o_O

They are not meant to be compared. Those who like the Plus should get the XS Max
Opinion. Facts directly contradicting this opinion provided above and previously.
 
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The Xs Max is far more tech than the plus versions. The screensize of the X and Xs closely mirrors the screen size of the plus. If you want the bigger screen, you are paying more for more tech. That's the way value pricing works. The upgrade path from the plus models is the X or Xs. The top of the line, which is not comparable to any other phone is the Xs Max.

The X has a smaller screen than the Plus. It has been proven mathematically. The apps lack a landscape mode on the X. The apples to apples comparison is 8 Plus----> XS Max. Please explain how the XS Max merits $400 more for an OLED display and FaceID

The Xr may not be for you, but according to Tim Cook, the Xr appeals to a demographic as it is a popular selling phone.

You don't have the numbers. According to reports there has been a production cut for all iPhones


That's correct there is far more tech in the best flagship of today, than the best flagship of yesteryear. The tech is reflected in the price.

I was getting Apple's latest flagship for 3 years for the same $799


That's some spin, "aren't as compromised"? Subjective at every level.

No its mathematical. The S9 does not have a low resolution LCD display nor does it cutdown on the dual camera. The XR cut out the fundamental aspects of the phone

Since you brought up the to me the display is the least important part of the phone, to others as well; they've said it on MR. I'd rather have an apple lcd than a Samsung oled. (Oh wait, I do).

And Samsung's OLED is on Apple's best. The XS Max is by Apple's own admission better than the XR. Apple have stated the XR is a value phone. So will you get Apple's budget phone and not the very best? Compromise on dual cameras?


Red-herring. It doesn't matter how often you replace your car. If you don't get the top of the line car, your car is compromised according to your logic.

I always get the top of the line car for my budget. Any price increases for a particular variant with the same features don't bother me as I don't replace it every year. If I replaced my car every year and refused to pay a higher price I would get a lower end car. That's true
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"Comfortable" is an opinion, and you've shown yourself to be anything but objective here. Also, I thought PPI was really important to you? That's why you trashed the XR. Hmmm...

Its a pentile matrix OLED display. The PPI needs to be higher on the XS and the XS Max to match the 401 PPI of the 8 Plus. Effective clarity of a higher PPI OLED display and a slightly lower PPI LCD display is the same




Unless you're talking about the split screen iPad-esque behavior on the Plus. Yeah, once again, your "it's why" is pure conjecture.

I was thinking something else about the keyboard and typed it by mistake. I meant the homescreen and the apps.


Uh, no, once again, the X/XS is the more like the Plus in a smaller, thinner form, and the XS Max is the super duper super-sized phone. Let's again use facts...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/23/16519388/iphone-8-plus-vs-iphone-x-comparison

"Yes, the iPhone X has a 5.8-inch screen compared to the iPhone 8 Plus’ 5.5-inch display. It’s also true that the X’s is higher resolution. But the 8 Plus’ screen is actually bigger. The X uses a narrower aspect ratio, so while it’s longer on the diagonal, you still get more surface area on the Plus overall — and that’s before you account for the notch and the rounded corners. I know, comparing screen sizes isn't what it used to be. "

"But the bottom line is that the Plus will display more useful content at once, even with its lower resolution. It’s wider as you hold it in portrait, which is why Apple introduced a new size class for app layouts when the iPhone 6 Plus first came out. Apps, websites, and so on have 414 horizontal “points” — the unit of measurement that the screen is divided into for design purposes — to fill on the Plus, while the X has 375, the same as the regular iPhone 8. The X has more vertical points, of course, because of the taller screen, but a lot of that will be occupied by the notch and home button bar. "

"iPhone X is definitely no iPhone Plus. This is gonna be a hard transition for anybody who actually cares about Plus features"

"Video is also a concern with the X. When watching regular 16:9 content, the notch and aspect ratio mean that you’re either going to have a lot of wasted space, or things are going to look weird. (Granted, the X will possibly be better for viewing wider cinematic content, in case you do feel like watching Lawrence of Arabia on the bus.)"




"Hence" means because. Let's do math (I know this isn't your favorite). Repeating my previous, but with the multiplication for number of pixels this time:

Screen Size (Diagonal):
X and XS: 5.8”
8 Plus: 5.5”

Resolution:
X and XS (458 ppi): 1125 x 2436 = 2,740,500 pixels
8 Plus (401 ppi): 1080 x 1920 = 2,073,600 pixels

And I'll mention again: you previously complained about the PPI on the XR, so you can't suddenly say you don't care about PPI. So...which is it? Does it matter, or not?

That 458PPI ends up being the same as 401PPI because of the PenTile OLED Apple uses in their phone.



Forget the Max which is in a completely different league, contrary to the fallacy you're trying to perpetuate. Looking at the X/XS in portrait mode, the area difference between the 8 Plus and the X/XS is....2.98% less. That's it. A tiny loss for a vastly better screen. Oh and proof positive that the 8 Plus and the XS are the comparable models—not the XS Max as you keep claiming and I keep debunking.

Read above the verge article.




Opinion. Facts directly contradicting this opinion provided above and previously.

There have been a many threads on this very forum, myself being one of them, that the X display is too small for us Plus users.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...en-area-smaller-than-the-iphone-plus.2067040/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/screen-size-of-x-vs-plus-misleading.2066694/

The widespread agreement is its the successor to the 4.7 iPhone

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...bigger-than-the-iphone-8-plus-screen.2068501/
 
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The X has a smaller screen than the Plus. It has been proven mathematically. The apps lack a landscape mode on the X. The apples to apples comparison is 8 Plus----> XS Max. Please explain how the XS Max merits $400 more for an OLED display and FaceID
The Xs max is the upgrade to the Xs, The Xs is the upgrade to the plus. If you don't view it that way, that's on you not Apple. john123 already provided the information. Since the Xs max is the upgrade to the Xs, it's not $400 as you claim, it's $200 for a bigger screen.

You don't have the numbers. According to reports there has been a production cut for all iPhones
Neither do you. In essence, this is conjecture, because it can't be provide.

I was getting Apple's latest flagship for 3 years for the same $799
2018 was a big change for apple in marketing their phones. The Xs is now the upgrade to the plus models, while the Max is the upgrade to the Xs. The XR is the value leader, a rung below, while the 7 and 8 continue to be sole.

[/quote]No its mathematical. The S9 does not have a low resolution LCD display nor does it cutdown on the dual camera. The XR cut out the fundamental aspects of the phone[/quote]
You are still spinning this.

[/quote]And Samsung's OLED is on Apple's best. The XS Max is by Apple's own admission better than the XR. Apple have stated the XR is a value phone. So will you get Apple's budget phone and not the very best? Compromise on dual cameras?[/quote]
If you consider the Xr a value phone, we are again spinning words. The iphone 7 is a value phone. The Xr is a rung below in the same way the iphone 7 was a rung below the plus model.

I always get the top of the line car for my budget. Any price increases for a particular variant with the same features don't bother me as I don't replace it every year. If I replaced my car every year and refused to pay a higher price I would get a lower end car. That's true
Fantastic. I would like to sell you your next car as I can automatically tick off every option for the model you buy. What you are saying, is, if you buy a Mercedes you get the S Class AMG for $120K+? I know people who replace their car every year, but keep their phones for 3 or 4 years. To each their own...but that wasn't the point. The point was your use of the word "compromised", to mean anything good below the top tier.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/23/16519388/iphone-8-plus-vs-iphone-x-comparison

"Yes, the iPhone X has a 5.8-inch screen compared to the iPhone 8 Plus’ 5.5-inch display. It’s also true that the X’s is higher resolution. But the 8 Plus’ screen is actually bigger. The X uses a narrower aspect ratio, so while it’s longer on the diagonal, you still get more surface area on the Plus overall — and that’s before you account for the notch and the rounded corners. I know, comparing screen sizes isn't what it used to be. "

"But the bottom line is that the Plus will display more useful content at once, even with its lower resolution. It’s wider as you hold it in portrait, which is why Apple introduced a new size class for app layouts when the iPhone 6 Plus first came out. Apps, websites, and so on have 414 horizontal “points” — the unit of measurement that the screen is divided into for design purposes — to fill on the Plus, while the X has 375, the same as the regular iPhone 8. The X has more vertical points, of course, because of the taller screen, but a lot of that will be occupied by the notch and home button bar. "

"iPhone X is definitely no iPhone Plus. This is gonna be a hard transition for anybody who actually cares about Plus features"

"Video is also a concern with the X. When watching regular 16:9 content, the notch and aspect ratio mean that you’re either going to have a lot of wasted space, or things are going to look weird. (Granted, the X will possibly be better for viewing wider cinematic content, in case you do feel like watching Lawrence of Arabia on the bus.)"






That 458PPI ends up being the same as 401PPI because of the PenTile OLED Apple uses in their phone.





Read above the verge article.






There have been a many threads on this very forum, myself being one of them, that the X display is too small for us Plus users.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...en-area-smaller-than-the-iphone-plus.2067040/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/screen-size-of-x-vs-plus-misleading.2066694/

The widespread agreement is its the successor to the 4.7 iPhone

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...bigger-than-the-iphone-8-plus-screen.2068501/
This is all opinion. I view the the X as the upgrade to the plus, and since it's my $$$ I'm using to buy the phone, I get to decide how I view things, just like you get to decide how you view things.:) So basically the usual impasse in viewing things differently and discussing things that can't be proved in the positive or negative, which makes them conjecture. ;)
 
The Xs max is the upgrade to the Xs, The Xs is the upgrade to the plus.

Not an upgrade because

1) No landscape view for apps
2) The notch interferes in landscape mode and when you eliminate the notch content, the screen becomes even smaller.

Smaller screen hence no upgrade


2018 was a big change for apple in marketing their phones. The Xs is now the upgrade to the plus models, while the Max is the upgrade to the Xs. The XR is the value leader, a rung below, while the 7 and 8 continue to be sole.

No the XR is the budget phone. Those who liked Plus can either compromise with the XR with a lower PPI and an inferior camera or go to iPhone X and sacrifice the viewable area. If you want to sacrifice ZERO of the Plus features, get a XS Max. Hence the XS Max is the upgrade

You are still spinning this.
I pointed out the facts which you cannot argue. Lack of a dual camera and an inferior display and lack of 3DT on their budget phone can't be denied. Samsung did a better job with their stratification

If you consider the Xr a value phone, we are again spinning words. The iphone 7 is a value phone. The Xr is a rung below in the same way the iphone 7 was a rung below the plus model.

iPhone 7 is an ancient phone with outdated hardware about to be discontinued next year. Among the newest hardware which enthusiasts buy whith a long life cycle, the XR is the value phone.


Fantastic. I would like to sell you your next car as I can automatically tick off every option for the model you buy. What you are saying, is, if you buy a Mercedes you get the S Class AMG for $120K+? I know people who replace their car every year, but keep their phones for 3 or 4 years. To each their own...but that wasn't the point. The point was your use of the word "compromised", to mean anything good below the top tier.

The word "compromised" was used because for a device intended to be replaced yearly and a commodity, you get less for the same price.


This is all opinion. I view the the X as the upgrade to the plus, and since it's my $$$ I'm using to buy the phone, I get to decide how I view things, just like you get to decide how you view things.:) So basically the usual impasse in viewing things differently and discussing things that can't be proved in the positive or negative, which makes them conjecture. ;)

Fact 1: No landscape view on home screen
Fact 2: Smaller screen for videos
Fact 3: No landscape mode for apps

Since these are shortcomings, the X is FACTUALLY not an upgrade to the Plus. The XS Max which factually has these features is the upgrade to the Plus.
 
Not an upgrade because

1) No landscape view for apps
2) The notch interferes in landscape mode and when you eliminate the notch content, the screen becomes even smaller.

Smaller screen hence no upgrade
I disagree, the math was done by john123 already and let's not rehash. Let's agree to disagree and strike this one from the records.

No the XR is the budget phone. Those who liked Plus can either compromise with the XR with a lower PPI and an inferior camera or go to iPhone X and sacrifice the viewable area. If you want to sacrifice ZERO of the Plus features, get a XS Max. Hence the XS Max is the upgrade
Let's agree to disagree on this also and strike this from future back and forth.

I pointed out the facts which you cannot argue. Lack of a dual camera and an inferior display and lack of 3DT on their budget phone can't be denied. Samsung did a better job with their stratification
You're spinning the conclusion of the facts. Let's agree to disagree on this one also and just move on.:)

iPhone 7 is an ancient phone with outdated hardware about to be discontinued next year. Among the newest hardware which enthusiasts buy whith a long life cycle, the XR is the value phone.
Okay, it's your opinion. Let's agree to disagree and move on.

The word "compromised" was used because for a device intended to be replaced yearly and a commodity, you get less for the same price.
I submit if you buy a new phone every year, you are in the minority. But that doesn't change the way apple specifically structured their product lineup.

Fact 1: No landscape view on home screen
Fact 2: Smaller screen for videos
Fact 3: No landscape mode for apps

Since these are shortcomings, the X is FACTUALLY not an upgrade to the Plus. The XS Max which factually has these features is the upgrade to the Plus.
They are "shortcomings" to you, not to the next person. Because you automatically buy the top of line, you must pay for two incremental upgrades in the future. If money, but tech, isn't the deciding factor, there shouldn't be any issues or complaints on your side. This is what apple did. It's clear as a bell.
 
I disagree, the math was done by john123 already and let's not rehash. Let's agree to disagree and strike this one from the records.

His answer is countered by The Verge's article I linked above which proves the iPhone X screen is smaller than the Plus.


Let's agree to disagree on this also and strike this from future back and forth.

There is no opinion here. If you don't want to lose ANY Plus features, its the XS Max, plain and simple.


You're spinning the conclusion of the facts. Let's agree to disagree on this one also and just move on.:)
No I am not. I didn't conclude anything. I simply presented the facts. The only notable difference between a Note 9 and an S9 is the S-Pen and the smaller screen and a slightly inferior camera. Nothing noteworthy has been cut. If so, point it out to me.


Okay, it's your opinion. Let's agree to disagree and move on.

Its not an opinion. You are calling a phone about to be discontinued next year a value buy.


They are "shortcomings" to you, not to the next person. Because you automatically buy the top of line, you must pay for two incremental upgrades in the future. If money, but tech, isn't the deciding factor, there shouldn't be any issues or complaints on your side. This is what apple did. It's clear as a bell.

Its irrelevant what my opinion is. If you compare the Plus and the X, you lose these features hence its not an upgrade as you are gaining something and losing something. With the XS Max you aren't losing anything coming from a Plus. Whether they are shortcomings are not is an opinion, but its a fact that you lose these features. And as a Plus user with large fingers, the landscape loss is a big one to me.
 
His answer is countered by The Verge's article I linked above which proves the iPhone X screen is smaller than the Plus.
There is no "prove" only different opinions based on the same facts. The difference between the non-plus and plus in the past was the camera and screen. Now the difference is the screen size. Hence the update from a plus is the X/Xs. (imo)

There is no opinion here. If you don't want to lose ANY Plus features, its the XS Max, plain and simple.
The max and non-max each have more features than the plus, so you are not losing any features.

No I am not. I didn't conclude anything. I simply presented the facts. The only notable difference between a Note 9 and an S9 is the S-Pen and the smaller screen and a slightly inferior camera. Nothing noteworthy has been cut. If so, point it out to me.
Do you see how you just lost your own argument by saying "nothing noteworthy". Is that an objective fact, or a subjective opinion?

Its not an opinion. You are calling a phone about to be discontinued next year a value buy.
It's still an opinion though.

Its irrelevant what my opinion is. If you compare the Plus and the X, you lose these features hence its not an upgrade as you are gaining something and losing something. With the XS Max you aren't losing anything coming from a Plus. Whether they are shortcomings are not is an opinion, but its a fact that you lose these features. And as a Plus user with large fingers, the landscape loss is a big one to me.
The X/Xs/Xs max has total more features than the plus. You are not losing anything. The non-plus and plus models have differences in hardware, not true with Xs/Xs max. Same features, different screen. This is why the upgrade path of a plus is to the Xs.
 
The new series iPhones may have more features on paper than my 8+ but there’s not one single feature on that list that I feel my experience is lacking currently. It becomes less of a bragging right or a desired object if the consumer couldn’t care less. This is why the smartphone market has changed so much of late in terms of desirability. There’s one thing the XS and XS Max didn’t have that my 8+ did and that’s the price tag! lol.
 
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The new series iPhones may have more features on paper than my 8+ but there’s not one single feature on that list that I feel my experience is lacking currently. It becomes less of a bragging right or a desired object if the consumer couldn’t care less. This is why the smartphone market has changed so much of late in terms of desirability. There’s one thing the XS and XS Max didn’t have that my 8+ did and that’s the price tag! lol.
There are some people who check off all the boxes on a featured list. If all the boxes aren’t checked a huge case of buyers remorse might follow. This applies to cars and phones.
 
There are some people who check off all the boxes on a featured list. If all the boxes aren’t checked a huge case of buyers remorse might follow. This applies to cars and phones.
I’ve never been like that as I never buy anything unless I’m completely sure it’s what I want. I’ve never bought a phone and wished I’d had a different model.
 
The X has a smaller screen than the Plus. It has been proven mathematically.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/23/16519388/iphone-8-plus-vs-iphone-x-comparison

I love how you claim something is "proven mathematically" and think link what is primarily a speculative opinion piece that contains...absolutely no math...as your source.

Let's actually look at the math...again...even though you refuse to do it yourself. And sure, let's use the points metric that your Verge article points to! Guess what? The math barely moves what I posted. Using points, even after subtracting the notch, it's still 2.1%.

And anyone who's used an X can tell you that that bottom of screen real estate is perfectly valuable.

You have an axe to grind. You're obviously pissed that a high-tech, cutting edge smartphone became a lot better and as a result is now out of your price range. As stated before, you are not entitled to anything.

I'm done here. Enjoy your Android.
 
There is no "prove" only different opinions based on the same facts. The difference between the non-plus and plus in the past was the camera and screen. Now the difference is the screen size. Hence the update from a plus is the X/Xs.

No, not just the camera and screen. Landscape support for apps and a bigger keyboard, bigger screen for videos. The XS is too narrow and lack these. It cant be an upgrade as there is a tradeoff involved.


The max and non-max each have more features than the plus, so you are not losing any features.
No the non max doesnt. The only feature you gain is Memojis and Animojis but you lose screen real estate as well as landscape support for apps. It may not bother you but some of us have large fingers and the X is too small to type on. And for some of us, the Plus is used to watch movies and play games on the go. The notch gets in the way in landscape and when you remove it from the content the screen gets even smaller. Only the XS Max matches the Plus in landscape which is the very essence of a Plus model


Do you see how you just lost your own argument by saying "nothing noteworthy". Is that an objective fact, or a subjective opinion?
Loss of a good quality display and a camera classifies as noteworthy because you lose this features at the exact same price point which you used to pay for it last year. There has been no change in the features of Samsung's lineup at each price.


It's still an opinion though.

You are asking someone to pay money for something about to be discontinued. No rational buyer will put money on an EOL product. This isn't some Moto G we are talking about here


The X/Xs/Xs max has total more features than the plus. You are not losing anything. The non-plus and plus models have differences in hardware, not true with Xs/Xs max. Same features, different screen. This is why the upgrade path of a plus is to the Xs.

Can you prove which extra features of the XS compensate the loss of those 3 facts I posted above?
 
Well at least Apple can learn from this. They’ve had to cut production twice in 14 months and on 4 different iPhones now so at least they don’t have to spend as much next year within their supply chain. That’s one positive surely and with so many models on offer they can enjoy popularity across the range. Not enough people want the latest and greatest when it comes with a higher price. It’s time to adapt.
 
They will continue increasing prices till it compensates for the decreasing unit sales. Its only a matter of time before the limit is breached even for those users though
 
No, not just the camera and screen. Landscape support for apps and a bigger keyboard, bigger screen for videos. The XS is too narrow and lack these. It cant be an upgrade as there is a tradeoff involved.
What you call a "tradeoff", apple calls an upgrade path. For you, it's a trade-off and hence why you believe you have to spend $400 more. For other people, the Xs is an upgrade. Based on the hardware, except for the screen size on the Xs and Xs Max is identical, apple has intended the Xs to be the upgrade to the plus, regardless of your thinking of the matter.

No the non max doesnt. The only feature you gain is Memojis and Animojis but you lose screen real estate as well as landscape support for apps. It may not bother you but some of us have large fingers and the X is too small to type on. And for some of us, the Plus is used to watch movies and play games on the go. The notch gets in the way in landscape and when you remove it from the content the screen gets even smaller. Only the XS Max matches the Plus in landscape which is the very essence of a Plus model
That is patently false. Smart HDR anyone? AR Kit? face id vs touch id. ip68 vs ip67. Stereo video, extended range video recording plus more.

Loss of a good quality display and a camera classifies as noteworthy because you lose this features at the exact same price point which you used to pay for it last year. There has been no change in the features of Samsung's lineup at each price.
You're citing your own opinions as facts at this point.

You are asking someone to pay money for something about to be discontinued. No rational buyer will put money on an EOL product. This isn't some Moto G we are talking about here
Discontinued is not unsupported. People buy year-end model car closeouts, do they believe their vehicle warranty will go out the door. However, it's still an opinion.

Can you prove which extra features of the XS compensate the loss of those 3 facts I posted above?
Can you prove they don't. Proofs can either be positive or negative, except one can't prove an opinion. As state above there are features such as ip68 that users will probably find extremely noteworthy.
 
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