Hes trying to say no one is mad because apple is copying. It's pretty dumb because there are people in this thread who are saying nfc is useless (which it is), but that doesnt fit into the generalization he's trying to convey so he ignores it.
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Apple Reportedly Integrating NFC Technology into iPhone 6
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Hes trying to say no one is mad because apple is copying. It's pretty dumb because there are people in this thread who are saying nfc is useless (which it is), but that doesnt fit into the generalization he's trying to convey so he ignores it.
Cash is king in the UK.
Most (small) local shops charge a fee to pay via card. I can't see them adopting NFC and getting new terminals anytime soon if they are already penalising customers who pay by card.
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..What, No need to wonder around the room, bumping phones...?
If you have both devices in your hand, it's the easiest and fastest way of getting an image from the source device to the target one. Should I shoot a video of doing this between my Nokia 808 and Nexus 7 2013?
really? So do you know what innovation is? I didn't think so.......here it is for you......
Nothing new...NFC is not new.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation
What's wrong with NFC?
The security of NFC depends on the app's implementation... so how can this be a bad thing?
Sigh.
You don't bump the phones together, like with that old Bump file sharing app.
You don't even have to lightly tap them.
You simply hold one phone close to the other, usually back to back so you can each see what's going on. (Usually one person has to tap an onscreen button to send, the other has to tap an onscreen button to accept.)
PS - my brand new iPhone 5s hangs up and restarts at least once or twice a day. WTF!
Has it been updated to 7.1.1? Mine's been rock solid since this update. If you have, you should backup and then restore as a new phone using your backup. I fixed a few phones with issues that way and they haven't had problems since.
The Target breach has changed that. My new credit cards have the chips now. That said, a magnetic strip doesn't broadcast a signal. People may be concerned about NFC signals being intercepted, and may be skeptical that a decent authentication system is indeed being set up. Where NFC or similar technologies have been used, there have been glitches that have hurt confidence. For instance, the Chicago Transit Authority overhauled their fare payment system, moving from a proprietary wireless system to one that uses NFC. The rollout was horrendous (it was being compared to the rollout of healthcare.gov) and people were being double-charged if they had NFC-enabled credit cards or phones.
The biggest part of the reason we've been behind with the EMV chips is that the retailers resisted it. Since up until now they haven't been liable for fraudulent use (or at least far less likely to be liable than in other countries) they had no real incentive to spend the money to update the payment processing systems.
o_o
Reading this is really bizarre, because I'm Canadian and haven't seen or noticed NFC terminals, nor do I care because I usually just tap my debit card or credit card. Interesting to see how something can be so handy to some users and not even noticeable to others!
I just got a Global Entry card from the US Customs and Border Patrol. It came in one of those sleeves, along with a warning to keep it inside unless at a border kiosk. Now it wouldn't surprise me at all if the government neglected to add encryption, but it doesn't exactly instill much confidence in the average person.
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But the Ventra rollout was a disaster and lots of people were complaining about being double-charged for rides because the system picked up both the cards and their NFC-equipped phones and payment wands.
At last, after 2-3 years, the camera industry seems to have embraced NFC. All high(er)-end models that have Wi-Fi also have NFC (except for some - for example, the Panasonic GM1 - that just couldn't incorporate it for size reasons). I really really doubt the same will happen to a proprietary technology (Apple's iBeacon). At least not in the next 2-3 years – again, camera manufacturers have traditionally been pretty slow at incorporating wireless technologies in their cameras.
NFC works just great and is a godsend for very fast, tap-less and seamless image transfers. Because of my absolutely great experience with NFC, my next enthusiast higher-end camera will surely be an NFC-capable one (the Sony A6000, unless it gets a bad review from DPReview).
Just an example on how easier it is compared to other techniques: when not having any of my dedicated cameras around, I currently shoot with the Nokia PureView 808. (The best cameraphone even now.) As it only has a small 4" screen, it's not really suited for reviewing images, particularly not when I also have the wife around. Fortunately, the 808 supports not only true Bluetooth, but also NFC. If I also have the NFC-enabled (and pretty decent) Nexus 7 2013 around, I can transfer the image to it in no time, with VERY little effort. All this without having to run any dedicated apps on either devices or even having to be in constant Wi-Fi connection with them (as is required by several Wi-Fi cameras not using NFC for quick image transfers.)
I only need to either go to the review mode from the camera app after taking a shot (one tap) or fire up the stock Gallery app and select the image I want to transfer. Then, just bump the two devices together and the transfer immediately starts without any more human interaction. Finally, after the transfer finishes, I just drag down the history menu and tap the “Beam complete – Touch to view” menu item, followed by selecting the app (one tap) to view the image. That's one tap on the 808 (sender) after shooting an image and two taps on the N7 (receiver) to display it.
What does happen without NFC but I can still use Bluetooth - for example, with a jailbroken iDevice with the absolutely essential AirBlue Sharing JB app installed? A LOT more tapping is needed:
- on the sender (808), tap the image to display the menu, select the menu, select Send, select Via Bluetooth, select target device. That's five taps (and also an additional one if you want to get to the image review screen after shooting it – just like with the NFC case).
- on the receiver iDevice, first, activate the receive mode of AirBlue Sharing. If you haven't defined any Activator action for this, this means the following taps: 1, tap the AirBlue Sharing icon, 2, tap Enable Receiving in the menu on the left. Then, after the sender discovers the iDevice and requests transfer, allow the transfer on the iDevice. (Fortunately, if you select Accept All, you won't need to do this during subsequent transfers.) Then, assuming you enable automatic Camera Roll import, tap the “Imported to Camera Roll” message. The latter will only start the Photos app but won't take you directly to the just-imported image; not even into the Camera Roll album. You need to open it manually and, then, scroll to the end to find the just-received images. Those are another taps.
Finally, as opposed to just NFC'ing the images to an Android device, sending a photo to an iDevice using AirBlue Sharing has another downside: the current (1.4.50) version of AirBlue Sharing doesn't transfer the EXIF data of the image when saving the received file to the Camera Roll. (No such problem on Android – there, the full EXIF data remains accessible in the stock Gallery app after transfer.) (Incidentally, I'll talk to the dev of AirBlue Sharing on this matter. I've implemented both full EXIF metadata saving and also location + compass saving in my own camera-related AppStore apps. Saving this info is pretty easy in iOS when exporting images to the Camera Roll.)
See how much easier it is to transfer images if you can use NFC?
EDIT: with iOS and Wi-Fi enabled cameras, as I've also (quickly) mentioned, you can use third-party iOS apps released by the camera manufacturers to allow for file transfers involving much fewer taps. These apps, in most cases, maintain constant Wi-Fi connections between the iDevice and the camera. This, as you may have already guessed, result in a substandard battery life, particularly on the camera (most Wi-Fi cameras suffer from this problem). NFC is much better in this respect too as it doesn't need a constant Wi-Fi connection - it (re)creates the connection only when you bump the two devices together and immediately stops it after finishing the transfer to save battery life.
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This is exactly correct. It is not the technology it is the use cases that are relevant.
There just doesn't seem to be much in the way of benefits over a boring old credit card. They're small, light, and work even if they've sat unused for months. Do you want to be stuck somewhere because your phone isn't working? I guess there's novelty in not having to swipe the card but is it really worth the trouble?
And please, don't mention Google Wallet. I'd never used that thing especially from Google.
And please, don't mention Google Wallet. I'd never used that thing especially from Google.
Ymmv
My experience with NFC is much more positive than yours. I use Google Wallet on my Nexus 5 and love the Tap and Pay system. It's fast, convenient, and secure. Using your phone as a wallet replacement is clearly the future.
My experience with NFC is much more positive than yours. I use Google Wallet on my Nexus 5 and love the Tap and Pay system. It's fast, convenient, and secure. Using your phone as a wallet replacement is clearly the future.
I've used NFC since 2009. Once you get pass the novelty you'll realize it's slower than a card. Most places have a self swipe terminal that takes two seconds with a card. With NFC the person at the register has to turn it on. Its freaking always off! I assume so that it does not accidentally charge someone walking by
Then it takes a while to sync (about 3 times as long as it takes to swipe the card), Then you still have the wait (just like a credit card) as your bank it contacted.
It isn't faster, and even if its was adopted by 80% of retailers would you still leave your cards at home?
Schiller is right. It's a solution without a problem. Which means it's definitely coming to the iPhone.
I can't wait to wait in line as someone in front of me fumbles to get their fingerprint scanned, then open the app, then blah, blah, blah. Its going to be like standing behind someone writing a check,
Yes, but slowly. I do remember seeing a good chunk of NFC stuff when I was in DK around this time last year. But honestly, coca-cola is a big driver of this market with vending machines. There's other examples, but nothing major.
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Are we really arguing this? You're really denying that innovation means putting your own spin on something existing and making it better? Oh boy, is this what we've come down to???http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation[/QUOTE]
So just to be clear, you're saying that unless you invent something completely brand new every single time you iterate your product, you are not innovating?
Man....
LOL.....backpedaling now? First it was the very definition....then when I showed you what the definition of innovation was...you changed your POV....???
So just to be clear, you're saying that unless you invent something completely brand new every single time you iterate your product, you are not innovating?
Man....
You can't re brand something and call it innovation. Or just stamp it "new and improved" and have it be innovative. Its still just re branding an existing technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation
You argue like a middle schooler...
in·no·va·tion noun \ˌi-nə-ˈvā-shən\
: a new idea, device, or method
: the act or process of introducing new ideas, devices, or methods
Full Definition of INNOVATION
1
: the introduction of something new
2
: a new idea, method, or device
I know you're going to pretend you can't read or something so I'll recap the definition:
the act or process of introducing new ideas, devices or methods. Methods. Methods:
meth·od
ˈmeTHəd/Submit
noun
a particular form of procedure for accomplishing or approaching something, especially a systematic or established one.
So if we combine both defintions:
the act or process of introducing new ideas, devices or a particular form of procedure for accomplishing or approaching something, especially a systematic or established one.
Established:
es·tab·lished
iˈstabliSHt/Submit
adjective
1.
having been in existence for a long time and therefore recognized and generally accepted.
So to combine all three definitions:
the act or process of introducing new ideas, devices or a particular form or procedure for accomplishing or approaching something, especially a systematic or having been in existence for a long time and therefore recognized and generally accepted one.
Not sure I can make it much clearer. Still need help??
LOL...you need help with reading comprehension.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation
I will make it easy for you....from the CHILDREN'S STUDENT definition
http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/student?book=Student&va=innovation
So what innovative and new idea method or original idea is Apple going to do with NFC? Or do you need more definitions?
Someone already told me that responding to you is akin to arguing with a middle schooler but I can't help it.
You seem to have forgotten that the first thing you said was "Apple will probably put a twist on NFC and call it innovation"...right?
And by your own post you're conceding that a new method or original idea is innovation right?
You still don't get it? If, by your own words, Apple "puts a twist on NFC" then it will be an innovation. Do I know what Apple is gonna do? No, how could I? I was responding to your post that Apple is going to put a twist on NFC and call it innovation. By the very definition you just posted, putting a twist on something is innovation.
Come on man...just stop...you're beginning to look like a fool and sadly you're dragging me down with you.