Apple Reportedly Planning New Nutrition and Payment Services Alongside Fitness+ Improvements

[spook]

AAAnd here comes the fat shaming By apple. Because everyone has to be beautiful acording to apple’s specifications..

I find this "fat shaming" interesting.

A cancer charity put out a add and included things that increased the chances of getting cancer, over weight was one of them, but of course, some people actually complained.

I’m okay with some fat shaming as it gets people of their arse and do something to get healthy, in much the same way you are told not to play chicken on roads

 

[Karma*Police]

I’d be interested to see what the interest rates would be on this “buy now pay later” option. It would obviously be huge for Apple, allowing people to have more buying power. If it’s no interest within 3 months and low interest for longer terms, I could see this being used like crazy.

That being said, I agree with one of the posters above. Those with weak willpower and low self governance could easily fall prey to crippling debt if used like the average person uses Credit Cards these days. (Hopefully they implement the same transparent interest amounts and debt-lowering guidance that the Apple Card currently implements so well)

Apple can’t be doing too good of a job of helping people lower their debt if they can give 3% cash back (correct me if I’m wrong) since that mostly comes from people with poor credit paying sky high interest rates to legalized loan sharks known as banks/govt.

If Apple truly wanted to help people reduce debt and manage finances, they should hold finance courses at their Apple stores, working with schools and non-profit orgs to get people to sign up. Once they pass a [n] month course, then Apple can reward them with an Apple credit card with strict spending limits, and using AI, increase their credit as these people’s financial situation improves. Win-win for everyone… well, except the banks/gov’t.

You might be thinking, this is the job we should entrust to our public education system, and I’d agree with you. But since they can barely teach kids to do math and english at grade level, I wouldn’t trust them to teach kids how to manage their finances.

 

[andrewxgx]

apple back then: you got quality phone for 800 bucks, with decent headphones, charger and services includes
current apple direction: you got quality phone for 1000 bucks, + 200 for headphones, + something for charger, and oh yeah, why don't you pay us monthly fee on top of that so you can actually make use of those

sorry guys but apple deserves whats coming from regulators across the world

 

[DrKarl]

...and yet ZERO improvements to Fitness+ itself. I submitted 'wishes' right after introduction for:

1. Ability to create your own sets of workouts by bookmarking workouts that you like to do in sequence (with folders within the bookmarks)

2. Ability to search / filter workouts by body part emphasized. E.g., I just killed my quads in HITT ... so for strength training I want anything upper body....no more squats please.

3. Related to 1 and 2... when Fitness+ suggests "you might like this workout" ... the logic is usually lost on me. If I do a sequence that includes a HIIT leg workout... then, suggest a substitute leg workout... not a random workout with the same music style.

Etc.

 

[spook]

apple back then: you got quality phone for 800 bucks, with decent headphones, charger and services includes
current apple direction: you got quality phone for 1000 bucks, + 200 for headphones, + something for charger, and oh yeah, why don't you pay us monthly fee on top of that so you can actually make use of those

sorry guys but apple deserves whats coming from regulators across the world

You have free choice, no one is forcing you to buy Apple stuff

 

[sorgo †]

You have free choice, no one is forcing you to buy Apple stuff

This, their comment had me till the last line. Let the market decide.

 

[w5jck]

The "buy now and pay later" has been used by other companies for quite a while now. Amazon has had it for a few years now. Same thing basically as what Gurman describes; pay the first installment and the entire sales tax at time of purchase, then pay the rest of the installments monthly with no interest. You can choose which CC, DC, or bank account to use for the monthly installments. I think Walmart has a similar service too.

 

[sorgo †]

1) Allow Health Kit on the iPad. Very difficult to workout using Apple Fitness+ with an iPhone 12 mini.

Obviously the Health app is missing but Fitness is downloadable and usable (with Apple Watch and with bluetooth enabled) on iPad, in case you didn’t know!

It’s how I’ve been doing Fitness+ yoga sessions since the service debuted.

 

[w5jck]

Fitness apps are a joke. In my day when I was growing up we didn't have the internet, cable TV, or even VCRs. If someone wanted to exercise they went outside and found something to do whether it was walk, run, ride a REAL bicycle, or whatever. If you lounged around the house too long vegetating, my mom would put you to work cleaning house or make you go outside and do something. And if you needed to have someone yell instructions at you to keep you motivated you joined the military. People now a days are too damn lazy to even try to figure out anything on their own. They have to have an app to show them how to exercise or diet, and/or they buy into those useless snake-oil supplements. Just get off your backside and go do something. Find a workout buddy and go to a REAL gym. Quite living off of fast, greasy drive-through restaurant food. It isn't rocket science after all...

 

[jonblatho]

The world needs more services that promote healthy dietary choices and incentivizes (challenges in the fitness app) cardio and safe weight loss, unhealthy living should be frowned upon. Nowhere in Apple's fitness program does it disparage fat people. If you would take the time to look at all the instructors they use you will see there is not just one body type.

One minor problem is that some of the Fitness app’s challenges (particularly the monthly ones) will continuously escalate to a point that eventually becomes unreasonable, if not outright unsafe.

For those, they clearly added in code that seems to take the mean of some variable (active calories, exercise minutes, etc.) over some period and set the goal to a slight increase over that mean, which is fine, but there's no upper bound where those increases will stop (except the number of calendar days in a month, where applicable, so it won't ask you to close your Exercise ring 35 times in a month).

While working a job that involved a lot of arm movement, I had some monthly challenges asking me to pull an average of something like 1,000 Calories per day or 75 exercise minutes per day, which I'd argue slides into unreasonable territory.

 

[jonblatho]

Fitness apps are a joke. In my day when I was growing up we didn't have the internet, cable TV, or even VCRs. If someone wanted to exercise they went outside and found something to do whether it was walk, run, ride a REAL bicycle, or whatever. If you lounged around the house too long vegetating, my mom would put you to work cleaning house or make you go outside and do something. And if you needed to have someone yell instructions at you to keep you motivated you joined the military. People now a days are too damn lazy to even try to figure out anything on their own. They have to have an app to show them how to exercise or diet, and/or they buy into those useless snake-oil supplements. Just get off your backside and go do something. Find a workout buddy and go to a REAL gym. Quite living off of fast, greasy drive-through restaurant food. It isn't rocket science after all...

Cool story, I guess?

 

[Sciomar]

One minor problem is that some of the Fitness app’s challenges (particularly the monthly ones) will continuously escalate to a point that eventually becomes unreasonable, if not outright unsafe.

For those, they clearly added in code that seems to take the mean of some variable (active calories, exercise minutes, etc.) over some period and set the goal to a slight increase over that mean, which is fine, but there's no upper bound where those increases will stop (except the number of calendar days in a month, where applicable, so it won't ask you to close your Exercise ring 35 times in a month).

While working a job that involved a lot of arm movement, I had some monthly challenges asking me to pull an average of something like 1,000 Calories per day or 75 exercise minutes per day, which I'd argue slides into unreasonable territory.

I try to complete them when I can, but if real life doesn't allow to finish them out then it doesn't get done. It's just nice motivation for people who need something to get up and do something healthy. I agree their algorithm might need some tweaks. But I won't completely dismiss the entire premise of the app based on the upper side of potential goals. One can still try to close the rings as long as the goal isn't set at extreme minimums like: burn 50 calories a day or take 10 steps.
I know it's more normal in today's culture to make excuses to get out of things before starting though, at least this fitness app can give some more folks a starting goal and means to achieve a lot of them.

 

[now i see it]

Apple for work
Apple for play
Apple for sleep
Apple for entertainment
Apple for fitness
Apple for nutrition
Apple for navigation
Apple for payments
Apple for…

It’s been said that an Apple a day keeps the doctor away, but maybe this is getting out of hand?

 

[0194839]

Can’t wait for Apple Gas, Apple’s proprietary fart-counter.

 

[MareLuce]

I hope the current Apple One subscription will become a "Pick any 4 services" for $19.99.

Right now I am forced to have Music, Arcade, TV+, and 200 GB of iCloud.

I would rather have News and Fitness instead of TV and Arcade for example.

Great idea re: Pick any 4

I'd pick
1) TV+ (LOVE love love Slow Horses, Tehran, Ted Lasso, The Morning Show, and have enjoyed lots others on Apple TV+)
2) Fitness (I sometimes watch TV+ while doing the high intensity 30 min thing with Bakari on the iPad)
3) 4 TB storage (Yea, I do need that much. Too many photos.)
4) News

For music, I went back to Pandora +. Pandora has the best music suggestion algorithm of any. With Apple Music I still have to be my own DJ. Too many decisions.

 

[a.jfred]

1) Allow Health Kit on the iPad. Very difficult to workout using Apple Fitness+ with an iPhone 12 mini.
2) More filter choices within Apple Fitness+. People choose a cycle class based on how they are feeling at that time. Some days you want HIITs and hills ride, other days you want a low-impact ride. Pelaton excels at the filter options.

I'd like the ability to HIDE workouts I will never be able to do. I do not have access to an exercise bike, treadmill, or rowing machine. I will not have access to these things, nor do I have anywhere I can set them up in my home. Please stop showing me those options, because they're taking up way too much space & it takes way too long to scroll through things to find what I want/need.

It a time comes where I can access those pieces of equipment, I can unhide them. Until then, please allow me to make them go away.

 

[sorgo †]

Fitness apps are a joke. In my day when I was growing up we didn't have the internet, cable TV, or even VCRs. If someone wanted to exercise they went outside and found something to do whether it was walk, run, ride a REAL bicycle, or whatever. If you lounged around the house too long vegetating, my mom would put you to work cleaning house or make you go outside and do something. And if you needed to have someone yell instructions at you to keep you motivated you joined the military. People now a days are too damn lazy to even try to figure out anything on their own. They have to have an app to show them how to exercise or diet, and/or they buy into those useless snake-oil supplements. Just get off your backside and go do something. Find a workout buddy and go to a REAL gym. Quite living off of fast, greasy drive-through restaurant food. It isn't rocket science after all...

Agreed, and thanks for nostalgia, but…

 

[mariusignorello]

AAAnd here comes the fat shaming By apple. Because everyone has to be beautiful acording to apple’s specifications..

Obesity, diabetes and heart disease would like to have a word with you.

 

[mariusignorello]

I find this "fat shaming" interesting.

A cancer charity put out a add and included things that increased the chances of getting cancer, over weight was one of them, but of course, some people actually complained.

I’m okay with some fat shaming as it gets people of their arse and do something to get healthy, in much the same way you are told not to play chicken on roads

I have enough to say on this but i’ll keep it somewhat short.

Most people know what they need to do, they’re just too lazy to do it. Nutrition isn’t hard. Nobody said you have to count every calorie religiously, just make small meaningful changes every day like reducing carbs at dinner time, drinking an extra glass of water or two or getting in 30-60 minutes of exercise every day. People aren’t idiots. They know what protein, carbs and fat are and which foods contain them. There’s a million apps and Google to figure it out if not (more on that later).

The real problem is the mindset. Laziness and convenience are real killers. Oh, and getting offended when someone tells you something you don’t want to hear (but probably need to) is the real show stopper.

If people could get past their own egos, we’d have a lot less problems in nearly every aspect of life.

If everyone is so smart and knows everything, how come everyone isn’t in excellent health? People are too busy using the phone to talk **** and post stupid videos than making meaningful improvements in their quality of life. “I don’t have time to meal prep/work out/drink more water”…yes you do, you just don’t give a crap because you’re tied to that phone, refuse to do anything besides the bare minimum, gotta go out for drinks every weekend, etc.

It’s amazing how much time you have and how your life improves once you get your priorities straight. Rant over.

 

[mavis]

AAAnd here comes the fat shaming By apple. Because everyone has to be beautiful acording to apple’s specifications..

Who said anything about beauty? It's about being healthy. I'm sorry that you equate being thin with being beautiful, but this is about healthy habits and fitness, not superficial "beauty."

 

[User 6502]

Apple just needs to buy the “Lose It” app and incorporate that into the health app.

As a user of that app I very much hope they don’t do that and do something better. Lose it has so many issues, for a starter it’s all about losing weight whereas for many the goal should be to gain weight rather than lose it. It also doesn’t put any care or attention on fat percentage, reducing everything to weight loss.

 

[User 6502]

AAAnd here comes the fat shaming By apple. Because everyone has to be beautiful acording to apple’s specifications..

What a ridiculous comment. This has nothing to do with ugly or beautiful, it’s just about healthy and unhealthy. And yes, science have a pretty solid idea that being overweight is unhealthy and is correlated with a number of issues including cardiovascular disease, cancer and others.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

So they will food shop for you for a fee and put the nutritional value into the health app? Trying to understand the idea about this.

I don’t think that’s it — this is probably about classes with information about how to make better food choices, and then maybe your choice information gets stored in the Health app.

 

[CaptMarvel]

With the groceries thing, instead of Insta-Cart like features I first thought Apple would try to rival the food delivery-to cook at home-services. I think that would be ideal. But they also need an in-house app like MyFitnessPal or LoseIt! to make food entry easier/ports the Health app easier. Cook the meal as provided and scan the label. Sounds easy enough…

 

[ufomism]

Apple just needs to buy the “Lose It” app and incorporate that into the health app.

Cronometer would be far superior. If you use the NCCDB database you get 78 listed nutrients for most foods. User entered food labels from manufacturers are not very accurate.