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It's about time. With smaller chargers they can actually still include them in the box and be environmentally conscious. As we all know that's what the charger removal was about...
Well technically that would introduce millions of power adapter back into circulation that likely won’t be used or used and old ones thrown into ewaste.
 
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what's the point, it still won't be included in the box.
Yes why improve a consumer product simply because it’s not included free with another product!

Why make better AirPods anymore? They’re not include in the box. What’s the point.
 
Hope Apple will switch their laptop chargers over to GaN first and include an extra port or two for simultaneous phone/tablet charging.
With the dearth of ports on modern entry-level MacBooks and the versatility of USB-C, it boggles my mind that Apple still hasn’t designed their chargers as a “hub” of sorts that charges the MacBook as well as provides extra USB-C and, heaven forbid, A ports that have connectivity with the MacBook still, not just USB charging.

Maybe this new GaN tech is what they have been waiting for? So they could stay within the same design envelope of the current chargers and include the extra circuitry required?
 
Couldn't care less. Honestly, with 20h of battery life on the new macbook, I wonder if anyone still takes the charger out of his home/office. The battery should still take you through a full day of working whatever you do. The USB-C chargers are becoming more and more common (many PC laptops already come with this standard), and there are very cheap third party options if you want to buy a spear charged and leave it in your office/car in case of a need. If this new Apple charger is smaller but with the same price, that is good. If it is cheaper, that would be great. And if it is more expense for the sake of being smaller, I really cant see the point.
 
Yeah, this would be a good idea.

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You just know a power charger with a happy face and outstretched arms would sell really well.

For bonus points, have it give a purring noise when a device is plugged in, and the purring gets louder the more devices you plug into it.

"Remember to charge you device, honey, so the Happy Charger will purr!"

All joking aside, I do like the idea of having ports on more than one side of the charger.
 
I replaced a couple of my (UK) chargers when Apple started making neat 3-pin foldable plugs for the UK market. They are a great improvement and are no longer an inconvenience when tossed into luggage. Excellent design.

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I did the same, love those things. I'd buy a bunch more if they made them smaller too. On change I'd like would be to make the edges where it goes against the socket a bit rounded instead of sharp. It doesn't matter when plugged in, but it makes for sharp edges in my luggage, which could damage the inside of bags, pockets or luggage lining.
 
I bought about 10 GaN chargers over the past few months. Put them strategically in places that I need to have access to charging and the fast charging is important. Enlighten me on how 90% of people don't use chargers included in their phone purchase.
By having one charger by their bed that they user overnight and that's it?

The beauty of not including the charger is that people in your position can buy chargers as needed and people who already have enough can choose not to buy more, and only as many as are needed are manufactured.
 
Makes sense if Macbooks wont need as much power to operate, just to charge. As long as 3rd parties can offer reasonably priced alternatives and are not locked out of making any thats fine. I just don't want to see a situation like the iPhone where repairs are thwarted and only certain chips in the cables will be recognized.
 
Love the Aukey GaN charger I bought for the MagSafe Duo (yes, I am a living meme and bought it for the specific amp/voltage to get maximum charge, feel free to laugh). Same size as every fricken’ cube I’ve gotten with a new iPhone (with foldable prongs!) and, if I need, it can charge my iPad crazy fast. Excited to see Apple take advantage of the technology.
 
I suppose you will whine no matter what even if they were handed to you for free?

Of course you can always design, engineer and manufacture your own smaller chargers and pay for all the materials, labor and shipping. I’m sure you can do all that really cheaply right?

Or you can simply use one of the dozens of chargers you probably already have.

Lol. I'm a fanboy and all, but man that's a new level.

It's a joke, I'm laughing (as are many others who read it), not whining.

But a lot of truth is said in jest. Apple is already late to the party and will no doubt charge a pretty good % more than already available comparable products.

BTW I'm fine without doing either of your choices (starting my own plug company or using the crappy 5W Apple ones that have accumulated over the years). I've bought GaN chargers for some time now, with multiple ports and higher wattage than any Apple offering.

The point is, Anker, Aukey, and other extremely reputable and MFI certified companies are, and have been for a while now, releasing GaN chargers for cheaper than Apple's standard non-GaN.

It's not really anything to get upset about or martyr yourself over in MR forums. Even as fanboys, we can still remain critical and have a laugh when warranted.
 
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By having one charger by their bed that they user overnight and that's it?

The beauty of not including the charger is that people in your position can buy chargers as needed and people who already have enough can choose not to buy more, and only as many as are needed are manufactured.
You don't charge at your work, you don't have kids that use chargers at school? Seems like your use case is different and I would still like a charger included if the price of the phone isn't decreased due to lower shipping/manufacturing costs. Since they aren't including them in boxes anymore, you're saying that people who are buying a phone for the first time don't need a charger? Weird take.
 
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Yes why improve a consumer product simply because it’s not included free with another product!

Why make better AirPods anymore? They’re not include in the box. What’s the point.
Different product. Try to keep up.
 
If that warrants "Apple copied XYZ" posts, then it should, at the very least, also warrant "Anker copied Apple's cube charger". Right? Yet, I don't see you posting "Where are the Anker copied Apple posts?" when MacRumors wrote about the cube charger. To my knowledge, no one wrote "Anker copied Apple" in those comments. If you want to be fair, you'd have to call out Anker when they do it, call out whenever Samsung does it, to Google, to OnePlus, and to Apple.

Why do you keep missing the point I'm trying to make? I don't post that anyone copies anyone. People in here do but only when it's viewed as Apple being copied. I didn't accuse Apple of copying the charger. I simply stated where are all the copying posts that people love to make when it's Apple that's perceived to be copied. Again using a cube shaped adapter is just logical you can't patent a simple shape or colour. A cube and white would be consider simple especially for this type of product.

I'm not sure why that's hard for you to understand.
 
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I don't post that anyone copies anyone.
"Apple using a technology that they didn't create or use in the past to make something similar to ANKER could be considere a form of copying."

Your literal words.

Why is it so hard for me to understand, you ask? Because you're contradicting yourself.

Going to end the discussion here with you. Wasted too much of my time.
 
"Apple using a technology that they didn't create or use in the past to make something similar to ANKER could be considere a form of copying."

Your literal words.

Why is it so hard for me to understand, you ask? Because you're contradicting yourself.

Going to end the discussion here with you. Wasted too much of my time.
Do you know the difference between the words COULD and IS? Or the word "I" which I also didn't you use? Pulling out snippets of my overall comments skus the point I'm trying to make and you keep replying out of context. At least quote my whole thought and not what suits your smart replies next time please?

I think I said enough times I didn't say or consider this Apple copying. My point was about multiple macrumors posters complaining oh they copied Apple, I feel like keep stressing this but you seem to have blinders on that I'm saying Apple is out there copying everyone. What I'm saying is no one is copying anyone as long as there are enough difference in the product/design, or is one that's so simple for a product, like a cube or the colour white it can't be patented or copy righted. Like you can't copyright a rectangle shape for smart phone.

But yes please stop wasting my time as well. I don't remember ever asking you to reply my posts.
 
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You don't charge at your work, you don't have kids that use chargers at school? Seems like your use case is different and I would still like a charger included if the price of the phone isn't decreased due to lower shipping/manufacturing costs. Since they aren't including them in boxes anymore, you're saying that people who are buying a phone for the first time don't need a charger? Weird take.
I haven’t seen anybody say that. Weird straw-man.

To answer your question, no I don’t charge at work, my overnight charge lasts all day. If I did need to charge during the day though that would be no problem as I have plenty (too many, in fact) spare chargers.

The key point you’re missing is that the number of chargers you need doesn’t change when you upgrade your phone. If you needed 10 chargers when you used an iPhone 11 then you don’t need 11 chargers when using an iPhone 12. Again: when it’s a separate purchase you can have as many or as few as you need without there being many wasted ones produced and shipped. That’s a win for the environment regardless of Apple’s motives.
 
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you were right until you used entirely a wrong reason for this.

anker sells a 20w GaN charger for cheaper than apple's solution and it fits the exact same size as the previous 5w charger. i picked up a 2 pack from costco for $20.

previous year's 5w charger is not suitable for new devices when the new chargers are substantially more efficient, reliable, and powerful. my 12 pro max is not charging efficiently off of a 5w mini brick.

apple is supposed to be ahead of the curve, yet everyone else besides them is releasing chargers that are well beyond apple's currently available, yet antiquated and overpriced tech.

taking out the charger was fine, turning around and charging people for gargantuan bricks that use decade old tech for the same price is insane.
One has nothing to do with the other. The point is that the vast majority of people (unless you are buying a mobile device for the first time as they all power off of the the same voltage) have drawers and boxes of chargers lying around that will eventually become eWaste. There is no reason to continue that insanity.

And why would you need a 2 pack? you don't already have enough chargers? I keep 1 (the one for my 13" MBP) in my backpack with a few cables to power anything that I carry....MBP, iPhone, AW. Then a total of 2 more (Anker 5 port) 1 at home by the night table and 1 on my desk at work. All of the rest that have accumulated went into a box that was dropped of at the eWaste company in town.
 
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