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So does Bentley. What’s your point? If you can’t afford a Bentley then buy a Honda. If you can’t afford Apple by Samsung.

I'm sorry to tell you Bentley does not make products for the 1%; they make products for the .1% ;)
 
Duh ... Apple is lagging behind, android has a very smart OS if not the most efficient, also other than the A-X series of processors what is Apple providing in terms of hardware that others are not providing for 1/10th price? This is bound to happen unlike the Kardashians and Angela Ahrendts of the world some of up don't use Apple product as a jewellery. If this continues Apple is bound to become Microsoft of 5 yrs back.
 
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Yeah, I'm a huge fan of TouchID myself. FaceID seems like interesting technology, but not quite as practical.
Touch ID is fast, and works good when it “works”. But Face ID offers more versatility. Fingers that are wet, or dry and cracking, lotion on hands all make Touch ID sometimes fail. Face ID works no matter what. I haven’t had a single instance where Face ID didn’t recognize me. You can even set it to not require attention. It scans your face without attention. Or you can make it only unlock with your attention. Hell it even works in the pitch dark. It even learns your face as it changes over time.

While I was skeptical of Face ID coming from Touch ID. I would never go back.
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Duh ... Apple is lagging behind, android has a very smart OS if not the most efficient, also other than the A-X series of processors what is Apple providing in terms of hardware that others are not providing for 1/10th price? This is bound to happen unlike the Kardashians and Angela Ahrendts of the world some of up don't use Apple product as a jewellery. If this continues Apple is bound to become Microsoft of 5 yrs back.
Sorry but you’re wrong. Android is NOT more efficient. That’s why iOS can multitask and hold more apps in memory with much less RAM than android phones with 6-8 GB of RAM.
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I have an iPhone XS Max and Im not impressed at all, coming from iPhone7 plus. Face ID works 90% of situations but not all and it sucks the finger print is gone. The notch doesnt bother me but the constant crashes with apps is getting on my nerves. The iPhone 7 was more stable.
Funny. I upgraded from a 7+ to a Max, Face ID hasn’t failed me once. Haven’t had any app crashes except right after I first got it, while devs were still updating the apps for the new XS. Smooth sailing. Screen is beautiful, camera is amazing, speed is very fast.
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Sir? You think your comment is very smart? I have to disappoint You.
Apple has great insight as do brokers but still there a methods where many people guess and most of the time are as good or better than the experts.

They made the iphone 6 slow on purpose and it was not usable after a year / they now have to suffer and replace accus for cheap

AND android has now many phones and brands who offer a guaranted 3 year update cycle /

And proven, Android phones offered or offer same or better quality hw BEFORE apple offers it. Huawai mate 20 pro for example / take a look at it. Oled screens samsung was offering for ages, and so on

I hope You dont shoot the messenger!
Lol. You’re funny. What android phones get more than TWO years of updates?? Because only GOOGLE guarantees that many with the pixel. Which android phones even come with the latest version?? Only Pixel. OnePlus too??

Your iPhone 6 comment is laughable. Because Dad is using my old 6 with a brand new battery and it runs beautifully. And it runs iOS 12. What android phone from that time is on the latest version??? Thought so.
Everyone knows it wasn’t a purposely slowed down, but to prevent shutdowns due to degraded battery. This even happens to android phones too. They just do it without telling you.

Chinese OEMS and Google will spy on you, and sell you out to advertisers. Yeah they have cool gimmicky features. But the novelty wears off, trust me.

I’ll stick with my iPhone. My “boring” iOS. My “boring overpriced” iPhone XS Max.

But, it will last many more years than an android phone.
 
App Dev perspective here:

Regarding the iPhone XR rumor, many don't know this, but AAPL has ONLY two major iPhone "strongholds" OUTSIDE the States, Japan & the U.K. ... AAPL appears to have lost Japan !

To understand the iPhone X rumor, some background is needed ... the XS & XS Max are 4 GB iPhones, but because of Smart HDR, act like 3 GB iPhones when using the camera.

Likewise, the XR is a 3 GB iPhone, but because of Smart HDR, acts like a 2 GB iPhone when using the camera ... and it's something we first discovered on Oct 27th, & clearly something we we'e NOT expecting !

Neither the 7+, 8+, OR X, AAPL's other 3 GB iPhones, support Smart HDR or anything similar, & as such, they ALL act like true 3 GB iPhones.

Smart HDR is enabled when capturing Photos, as well as when capturing Burst Photos & making Videos when the capture rate is 30 fps or less.

Smart HDR is a differentiated product attribute that AAPL simply Dropped the Ball On ... it's similar to how AAPL Dropped the Ball with the Intro of Wide Color, & this is very-likely one of the primary Reasons the iPhone XR has NOT gotten Off the Ground.

In other words, AAPL, for whatever reason, failed to properly promote the HDR technology.

Stated differently, on this subject, AAPL's Marketing Dept failed them, & failed them badly !

It is ALSO our very strong opinion that AAPL should have put 4 GB of DRAM in the iPhone XR ... to us, that would have made it a compelling upgrade to many iPhone Users.

And BTW, since October 26th, we've been doing 50% of our Software Development on our XR iPhones, & the other 50% on our 7+ iPhones ... OUTSIDE of the UN-expected XR "Camera HDR Memory Hog" issue, we have NO complaints with the XR.
You think this speculative rumor means they've "lost" Japan?

Keep your developer day job...

Ready for some facts? Japan was the best performing geographic market in 2018 from a growth perspective at 23% revenue growth.

You think that's changed in the last month? This is why this fake news is so hilarious. Facts really make it hard to believe this nonsense. I'll wait for the numbers in January...

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What the heck happened to AAPL market cap? Down to $759B with just a 1.5 point drop. It's on its way to dropping nearly half of its market cap in one month.
Wish it dropped even more to give Tim a wake up call and rethink it’s options. But I’m afraid he will solve this with another price increase.
 
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So much talk about price. Even if the iPhone XS were $500 I would not buy one.

It’s not a price issue. It’s an issue of feeling “I need to buy one of these” the moment you test drive one. Apple’s marketing does a great job with their presentations and advertisements of making folks think they need one. But the product doesn’t hold up in person. Once folks get their hands on it, they don’t feel a compelling reason to buy one.

Be careful what you wish for with pricing. If they reduce the price, they will necessarily cut corners, and it will be done in ways that won’t be obvious until it is too late.
 
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Be careful what you wish for with pricing. If they reduce the price, they will necessarily cut corners, and it will be done in ways that won’t be obvious until it is too late.

I realise there are many other factors at play, but the general idea is: lower prices lead to lower margins, but also higher sale volumes and therefore equal (or higher) profit.
No need to cut any corner.
 
What the heck happened to AAPL market cap? Down to $759B with just a 1.5 point drop. It's on its way to dropping nearly half of its market cap in one month.

If you look closer you will see that a lot of the stock price gains (not just AAPL, but most of the stock market) have been a combination of PE expansion and stock buybacks.
https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL
https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/pe_ratio
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/business/dealbook/apple-stock-buybacks.html
Unfortunately, all that financial engineering (again for all companies, not just AAPL) has an expiration date approaching with the tightening of monetary conditions.
Have you tried looking at the other FAANG stocks?
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I realise there are many other factors at play, but the general idea is: lower prices lead to lower margins, but also higher sale volumes and therefore equal (or higher) profit.
No need to cut any corner.

It would be good if it worked that way, but the only time companies sacrifice their margin is to gain market share and in some cases to put competitors out of business so that they can then increase prices. If they lower their margins it's akin to cutting the branch they are sitting on. Typically it's a temporary thing, although temporary can be a multiyear strategy, kind of like Amazon selling stuff cheap to put brick and mortar out of business.

There are repercussions everywhere with respect to how much they can invest in R&D, how much stock they will buy back, etc. The bulk of R&D for low margin businesses is done by 3rd parties. Apple could go that route if they build their iPhones around Snapdragon processors and build an iOS-like UI on top of Android. Is that the type of iPhone we're looking for?
 
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I don't know about Android but I streamed an album (Equinox Infinity by Jean Michel Jarre) and it was definitely gapless.
Which is why it is unacceptable in the Android app - as I explained. Is this intentional or incompetance? Along with not rotating for landscape etc.
 
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I’ve recommended iPhone 8 to people who ask me what to buy. And my wife and I put in the $29 battery upgrade to make our phones like new.

I don’t want Face ID, ever. So probably my last iPhone.

Did Apple actually replace your battery or give you another phone? Around my area, Apple just wants to swap phones. No thanks. My phones are pristine.
 
Did Apple actually replace your battery or give you another phone? Around my area, Apple just wants to swap phones. No thanks. My phones are pristine.

I took my phone in for an issue with the mic and decided to pay for a battery replacement. When I went to pick up the phone, I was told they damaged it during repair and they gave me a refurb'ed device.
 
Duh ... Apple is lagging behind, android has a very smart OS if not the most efficient, also other than the A-X series of processors what is Apple providing in terms of hardware that others are not providing for 1/10th price? This is bound to happen unlike the Kardashians and Angela Ahrendts of the world some of up don't use Apple product as a jewellery. If this continues Apple is bound to become Microsoft of 5 yrs back.
It isn’t more efficient though. People not upgrading as much is to blame as it is for other cheaper android options. Most who buy iPhones are happy with them and are not switching to cheaper options. They will tend to just keep their phones for longer.

There’s a reason why individually android sales are still rather poor company to company generally.
 
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It isn’t more efficient though. People not upgrading as much is to blame as it is for other cheaper android options. Most who buy iPhones are happy with them and are not switching to cheaper options. They will tend to just keep their phones for longer.

There’s a reason why individually android sales are still rather poor company to company generally.

Well that's not true is it?

Two of them, Huawei and Samsung sell more than Apple currently and Xiaomi is catching Apple aswell. Huawei and Xiaomi growth dwarfs Apples.

Year on Year growth 2017Q2 to 2018Q2 for the four biggest selling:

Samsung: -11%
Huawei: 41%
Xiaomi : 43%
Apple: 1%

Xiaomi have grown their market share from 6% to 9% with Apple staying at 11%. Samsungs share is shrinking but they are way out in front of the rest in terms of sales.

It's entirely possible that Apple could be fourth in the world by units sold behind Samsung, Huawei and Xiaomi soon.
 
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Well that's not true is it?

Two of them, Huawei and Samsung sell more than Apple currently and Xiaomi is catching Apple aswell. Huawei and Xiaomi growth dwarfs Apples aswell.

Year on Year growth 2017Q2 to 2018Q2 for the four biggest selling:

Samsung: 11%
Huawei: 41%
Xiaomi : 43%
Apple: 1%

Xiaomi have grown their market share from 6% to 9% with Apple staying at 11%. Samsungs share is shrinking but they are way out in front of the rest in terms of sales.

Its entirely possible that Apple could be fourth in the world by units sold behind Samsung, Huawei and Xiaomi soon.
I’m talking individual sales as in flagship to flagship. Not these crappy low budget phones that help with their sales figures.

People are buying millions more for the flagship iPhones than they are for the samsung note series, S series and whatever Huawei bring out.

Apple sell what 3-4 different iPhones? Samsung and Hauwei sell plenty of different handsets

The S9 and note 9 for example won’t even sell half of what the iPhone will sell each year when it comes to their flagship devices.

Pixel sold what, 2-3 million pixel devices last year?
 
Wish it dropped even more to give Tim a wake up call and rethink it’s options. But I’m afraid he will solve this with another price increase.
But without constantly complaining about products you don't own, what would you do?
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It isn’t more efficient though. People not upgrading as much is to blame as it is for other cheaper android options. Most who buy iPhones are happy with them and are not switching to cheaper options. They will tend to just keep their phones for longer.

There’s a reason why individually android sales are still rather poor company to company generally.
Exactly. As people hold onto their phones longer between upgrades, it makes more sense to stick with an iPhone that will receive regular software updates for up to 5 years.
 
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And let's not forget all of the missing features and services not provided outside the big US and UK market. Netflix and Spotify treat me as a world customer. Apple no.
As you can guess from my location I fully understand your point.
 
I’m talking individual sales as in flagship to flagship. Not these crappy low budget phones that help with their sales figures.

People are buying millions more for the flagship iPhones than they are for the samsung note series, S series and whatever Huawei bring out.

Apple sell what 3-4 different iPhones? Samsung and Hauwei sell plenty of different handsets

The S9 and note 9 for example won’t even sell half of what the iPhone will sell each year when it comes to their flagship devices.

Pixel sold what, 2-3 million pixel devices last year?

They are if you think that the world starts and ends with the US and the UK.

Last year Apple were selling:

iPhone X, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone 8, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 7, Phone 6s and iPhone SE

they are currently:

iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone XR, iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus

So seven separate models of iPhone both this year and last, so it isn't 3 or 4 really is it?

Predictions on how many flagship phones were sold are futile because smartphone makers, Apple included, don't break those numbers they merely report the revenue earned from phone sales of which we've already established Apple had seven separate models available at various points this year and last.

Sure Apple aren't selling as many models as Samsung and Huawei because they tend to cater to all markets rather than just the high end, that is why there is more demand for their phones globally than Apples.

Exactly why Apple are losing the Chinese market and having their lunch eaten in huge markets like India by the Chinese brands.

Believe it or not there are a lot of places in the world where people aren't bowled over by Apples £1200 phones.
 
I’m talking individual sales as in flagship to flagship. Not these crappy low budget phones that help with their sales figures.

People are buying millions more for the flagship iPhones than they are for the samsung note series, S series and whatever Huawei bring out.

Apple sell what 3-4 different iPhones? Samsung and Hauwei sell plenty of different handsets

The S9 and note 9 for example won’t even sell half of what the iPhone will sell each year when it comes to their flagship devices.

Pixel sold what, 2-3 million pixel devices last year?
Why do you think these lower end devises aren't importnt? Oh, it's because Apple can't play in that market? Why are they"crappy low budget phone" it's it because Apple doesn't have a solution?

"Samsung and Hauwei sell plenty of different handsets" because that's what people want.....

not hard to understand....
 
They are if you think that the world starts and ends with the US and the UK.

Last year Apple were selling:

iPhone X, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone 8, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 7, Phone 6s and iPhone SE

they are currently:

iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone XR, iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus

So seven separate models of iPhone both this year and last, so it isn't 3 or 4 really is it?

Predictions on how many flagship phones were sold are futile because smartphone makers, Apple included, don't break those numbers they merely report the revenue earned from phone sales of which we've already established Apple had seven separate models available at various points this year and last.

Sure Apple aren't selling as many models as Samsung and Huawei because they tend to cater to all markets rather than just the high end, that is why there is more demand for their phones globally than Apples.

Exactly why Apple are losing the Chinese market and having their lunch eaten in huge markets like India by the Chinese brands.

Believe it or not there are a lot of places in the world where people aren't bowled over by Apples £1200 phones.
Point is what apple are currently selling compared to other flagships the sales are still far higher than what other android companies are bringing out. The gap is closed due to the lower budget devices.

All what apple sell are still 700-1,200 price range. When android have several different devices below that.

That explains the sales more than anything else.

Obviously the markets Non UK and US are a big reason for these sales due to lower budgets being more affordable
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Why do you think these lower end devises aren't importnt? Oh, it's because Apple can't play in that market? Why are they"crappy low budget phone" it's it because Apple doesn't have a solution?

"Samsung and Hauwei sell plenty of different handsets" because that's what people want.....

not hard to understand....
Did I say choice is a bad thing? No

It’s good android offer different price points for different situations.

Point is sales are closer due to these options
 
Why do you think these lower end devises aren't importnt? Oh, it's because Apple can't play in that market? Why are they"crappy low budget phone" it's it because Apple doesn't have a solution?

"Samsung and Hauwei sell plenty of different handsets" because that's what people want.....

not hard to understand....

Correct.

Apples phones are becoming too pricey for people in relatively affluent markets. They get laughed out of India with their prices.

Its the lower end that bring smartphone technology to people in markets like India where people can't afford an iPhone.
Point is what apple are currently selling compared to other flagships the sales are still far higher than what other android companies are bringing out. The gap is closed due to the lower budget devices.

All what apple sell are still 700-800 price range. When android have several different devices below that.

That explains the sales more than anything else.

Obviously the markets Non UK and US are a big reason for these sales due to lower budgets being more affordable

Again, you've no way of really quantifying who sold how many flagships.

Android have lots of choice for lower prices than Apple which is why sales are seeing such huge growth. Your original point was that sales for Android smartphone makers are poor. They are far from it.

Huawei won't care too much if Apple sold a few more iPhone X than they did of their flagship. In terms of smartphones they are a company that are growing rapidly and Apple aren't.
 
Correct.

Apples phones are becoming too pricey for people in relatively affluent markets. They get laughed out of India with their prices.

Its the lower end that bring smartphone technology to people in markets like India where people can't afford an iPhone.


Again, you've no way of really quantifying that who sold how many flagships.

Android have lots of choice for lower prices than Apple which is why sales are seeing such huge growth. Your original point was that sales for Android smartphone makers are poor. They are far from it.

Huawei won't care too much if Apple sold a few more iPhone X than they did of their flagship. In terms of smartphones they are a company that are growing rapidly and Apple aren't.
I think you missed the point of my orginal post. I Did say from the start individually sales are poor which they are.

As a whole? They are very competitive due to the amount they sell and the amount which are a lower price point. My post was never about total sales.

In terms of total individual sales you can only go by on what’s reported and individually samsung sold a low amount of note 9 even though it’s one of the best 2-3 devices out this year.

Just like pixel sold a poor amount last year given by the reported numbers.
 
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