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What? You really think people from a distance make judgements about you based on the phone you own and use?

Seriously?

What country do you live in?
People may not be making a judgement of other people based on the phone they own, but there are plenty of iPhone owners who feel that way about themselves. One of the greatest criticisms that many here had of the iPhone SE was that although it was a new phone it LOOKED LIKE the older 5S (identical) and that it would appear as if they had an old phone when in fact it was new. Don't take my word for it, a forum search will show that to be true.
 
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Yeah, I'm a huge fan of TouchID myself. FaceID seems like interesting technology, but not quite as practical.
I'll tell you, FaceID is terrible. I enter my password manually 1 out of 5 times. It never works and especially doesn't work like Apple says it does. Second worst Apple innovation ever (next to removing the headphone jack)
 
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It more and more looks like Apple overplayed it's hand with this year's high-priced products.

The iPhone XS and XR are not worth the upgrade for many over an iPhone 7 or 8 as the only things that are improved are the camera and the screen (for an almost 50% premium!).
I have to partially agree with this statement. I for one am glad the XS Max came out as it is the perfect size for a lot of the plus users with the updates to the screen and even the faster/more accurate face id. It is def a phone I hope to keep for a few years as the pricing is insane.
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I'll tell you, FaceID is terrible. I enter my password manually 1 out of 5 times. It never works and especially doesn't work like Apple says it does. Second worst Apple innovation ever (next to removing the headphone jack)
Face ID on my X was terrible for me. On the Xs max it seems to work alot better.
 
iPhone product range was a disaster in the making and the current news is the pinnacle, so far.

The iPhone X was innovative, OK, and great for people, who used the 6/7/8 PLUS. Same screen size and compact size.

The X Plus was a size overkill but hey, there are peolple who want phablets and I am fine with that.

And there are surely people with too much money who buy the XS or XSMax despite the lack of any true innovation, again, why should I care for that? I don’t!

The X should not have been discontinued but should have received a significant price drop, as did the iPhone 6 and 7 after a year or so.

The XR is just a ridiculous product, a flop like the 5c. There is no need for a cheap expensive phablet. That product is nonsense.

The XR should have been equipped with a 4inch screen or it should not have been bigger in size than the SE for people who would look for a cheaper phone with a totally different FORM FACTOR. A market niche, that out of stupidity no company wants to serve.

Hell even an upgraded SE with bezels and home button would sell like hot cake!

Their fault!

Losers!

Ok, I’m intrigued. Tell me more about this mythical X Plus.
 
Good for you. But the iPhone is a Status Symbol and that's why many people buy it.
The iPhone isn't a status symbol, it's a tool built to do a job just like every other smartphone on the market. Status symbols are normally items very few can afford and with financing most people can afford an iPhone.
 
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Hate to say it $499 is my sweet spot, just bought the refurbed 8. Although Verizon has a sweet X deal today, but I've learned to live and learn when it comes to tech anymore.
 
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Sales were considered abysmal too at the higher price point. Apple Also did the same with the original iPhone. it's price was seen as ridiculously high that sales were much lower than expected. Apple dropped the price and they started flying off the shelves.

Apple has always been a premium priced company. But there's an upper limit to that price point that can be set before users / consumers start to question the value for those prices. Once pricing becomes too high, it (like basic economics 101 teachs) will have affect on decreased demand.
I would say as regards the XR, the problem (if indeed there is one) isn't that the price is too high, it's perception - people will pay high iPhone prices if they think they are getting la creme de la creme, but why pay all that money for what's clearly being marketed as a 'lesser' offering? In that way I think Apple would have been better off just dropping the X price to $899 (doing that for the XS would have been even better, but hey, realistic expectations) than introducing the XR at $750. Would it have cannibalised more XS sales - possibly? Though at the price I'd say the people buying the XS are more than likely the ones who get the latest and greatest each year without fail anyway, plus (no pun intended) the XS Max could have been the big (second pun not intended) driver of upgrades for this iPhone generation as well.
 
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First indicator stop giving numbers second indicator price cuts, third indicator of confused strategy relaunching X....looks like their targeting the quarter earning call....not sure if this is Apple
 
I'll tell you, FaceID is terrible. I enter my password manually 1 out of 5 times. It never works and especially doesn't work like Apple says it does. Second worst Apple innovation ever (next to removing the headphone jack)

Really? Try rescanning your face and maybe add a secondary face and scan again at a low angle?

Maybe 2 out of 100 times does it not work for me and I’m super happy with it now that I’m leaving for work and it’s 28 out and can wear gloves and it still works unlike usually having to take my glove off.
 
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First indicator stop giving numbers second indicator price cuts, third indicator of confused strategy relaunching X....looks like their targeting the quarter earning call....not sure if this is Apple

I think Apple is getting worried. They announced earlier this month that they will no longer will be announcing sales numbers in their quarterly filings.
 
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People may not be making a judgement of other people based on the phone they own, but there are plenty of iPhone owners who feel that way about themselves. One of the greatest criticisms that many here had of the iPhone SE was that although it was a new phone it LOOKED LIKE the older 5S (identical) and that it would appear as if they had an old phone when in fact it was new. Don't take my word for it, a forum search will show that to be true.
Yes. And I'll add that this explains a lot of comments in here. The other apparently inexplicable comments not included in this group are those from people clearly entered too late, too much in AAPL party.
 
the increase to price will mask it for a short while until even the revenues will start to drop as goodwill get eaten up and people start moving towards cheaper alternatives that offer enough value to win them over.

it's why (as my last response about stock price) investors are doubting Apple's future as a trillion dollar company. They believe peak has happened and the future will show declines if they continue on this trek.

now, they might be proven wrong. this is all stock talk which means it's speculative.
Price increases can mask slight declines but only for so long. What happens when the price increase card can’t be played anymore?
 
I think this is good. Apple needs to realise that their constant price hike is unsustainable.
I really hope XS and XR will bite them so next year we can have more reasonable prices.
A smartphone that goes over 1000 pounds is just pure craziness
 
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Price increases can mask slight declines but only for so long. What happens when the price increase card can’t be played anymore?

that's the whole point of the discussion i'm having. it's a fantastic business case to study. We're getting to watch it essentially in real time occurring.

Historically, when other companies have masked decreasing sales by constant price increases that are out of line with the industry as a whole, those companies end up having to dramatically shift business operations.

Remember, at the end of the day, CFO's and leaderes tend to want to maximize profit. This means if the revenues go down, then they will start cutting costs. This will likely start with front line employee layoffs, than lower/middle management.

depending on the executive's own personalities, they may take cuts themselves, but in more recent years it's more likely the executives will wall themselves off from repercussions through "golden parachute" contracts. These are the kind of contract deals that executives can get themselves where getting rid of them is more costly than keeping them. Blackberry had this issue (post collapse though) with Thorston Heinz. His golden parachute was setup to pay him 55 million if they fired him. the losses seen under him were lower than 55 million, so they kept with him a few years too long. we see these golden parachutes in business all the time. Suffice to say, if Apple were to suddenly turn around and actually start failing, the executives are the last who will generally feel the pinch.

in these sorts of companies, when they do well, they're extremely well rewarded with massive stock and option payouts. When they don't do well, they're still rewarded handsomely with large pay offs.
 
I’m not one to say “ApPlE iS dOoMeD” because they’re clearly not, but I *am* somewhat glad to see disappointing sales this time around.

I hope this causes Apple to back off on their high prices a bit.
 
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