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Are you subscribed to WSJ? Otherwise, you can’t rven read the article...but I’m sure you just read the headline.

WSJ has zero credibility when it comes to reporting on Apple.

Spoiler, the price cuts haven’t happened.

Yes I am a subscriber. I used to manage engineering at Apple and now manage engineering programs at its competitor. Why do you have to assume people on the internet are just retarded? Do you want a screen shot of the full article?

(I created my account after I left Apple so did not violate its social media policy.)

Pasted from wsj:

The XR is available in Apple stores in Japan from about $750, but carriers’ pricing is more opaque as phones are bundled with data plans.

It isn’t known whether the Cupertino, Calif., company plans to offer similar programs in other regions. Apple declined to comment.

Apple has used marketing dollars before to discount certain iPhone models and drive sales, viewing it as a lever to manage inventory, according to people familiar with its sales and production tactics. During the iPhone 6s cycle, Apple cut production on one model then offered carrier and retailer discounts to help reduce excess inventory, one of these people said.

When extending discounts, Apple has typically chosen to do so on phones made for specific markets because the cost is less than reconfiguring the device for resale in another market, this person said.

The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this week that Apple has slowed production plansfor all the three models released earlier this year, with some drastic chops made on least-expensive XR models.

Though it has been done in the past, officials at Japanese carriers say it is rare for Apple to cut the price in their market on a recently launched handset.

“A price cut within a month of the release is rare not just for Apple but for smartphone makers in general,” said a senior official at a wireless operator, who monitors sales.

Analysts say weaker-than-expected demand for iPhone XR may mirror what happened with the iPhone 5c in 2013, where sales picked up the following year. Apple’s higher-priced XS and XS Max models, released a month earlier, appeal more to tech’s early adopters who typically fuel initial sales of new iPhones.

A price cut within a month of the release is rare not just for Apple but for smartphone makers in general.

—Senior official at a wireless operator
Some Japanese consumers say the XR’s price, while considerably below the XS, is too high for the sacrifices in display quality, number of camera lenses, and slower data transmission speed.

Apple’s iPhone 8 has remained hugely popular in Japan for those looking for an affordable Apple handset, because it is cheaper than the XR and was available when XS and XS Max were released.

Apple suppliers have also recently resumed making the iPhone X, the 2017 model that Apple had stopped selling at its own stores, people familiar with the matter said.

In the past, Apple has produced legacy models for select markets where there is enough demand for those devices, the person familiar with Apple’s sales and production tactics said. The company views it as a way to fuel sales and boost margins, as the components often cost less and manufacturing equipment has depreciated, he said.

People involved in the supply chain said the resumption of the X is due in part to Apple’s contract with Samsung SDI Co. , a major provider of iPhone X’s organic-light emitting diode display, or OLED, panels. Apple needs to buy a certain amount of the panels from the South Korean maker, and given the cut in XS and XS Max, Apple is trying to fill the gap with the old device, they said.

Apple and Samsung SDI declined to comment.

—Tripp Mickle in San Francisco and Yang Jie and Yoko Kubota in Beijing contributed to this article.
 
Why would these two things not align though? Stock price is not just based on margin but overall sales which is tied very much to demand—how much people actually want to buy your products at the end of the day.

Stock price is not based on current value but future value. people buy/sell stock for the promise of profits of a company either being paid out via dividends, or increase in value (and sometimes both). That increase in value of a stock is based on future expectations.

Today's value is irrelevant. this stock dip we're seeing is investors believing that the future for Apple is less than it is today. And less than it was during the product announcement. There's a general belief that peak apple is now passed.

It's all tied together nicely. High profit margins appeal to stock investors because the more profit a company makes, the expectation is higher dividends follow as profits are passed back to the investor.
 
Things they need to cut the price of everywhere:

iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iMac
...
Memory Upgrades
What did I miss?

SSD Upgrades. Don't need the fastest one. But 512 gb is too small. For example MacBook Air 1.5 tb is much too expensive.
 
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From point of first production. Big ***** deal. So if you buy it at 11 months, you get 2 years. oooh...

Spoken from someone screwed for a Nexus 7 2013 purchase in 2014 where Google just dropped it 1 year after I got it. Never again will i trust Android...

Different experiences for different folks. I've had my Nexus 7 2013 from release until I sold it this summer. I was very happy with it.

The original Pixel has received 2 years plus of updates and they are still humming along pretty well. You said name you one Android phone that received updates and I did.
 
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It’s impossible for Apple to hide declining hardware sales. Eventually it will show up in decreased revenues and profits.

the increase to price will mask it for a short while until even the revenues will start to drop as goodwill get eaten up and people start moving towards cheaper alternatives that offer enough value to win them over.

it's why (as my last response about stock price) investors are doubting Apple's future as a trillion dollar company. They believe peak has happened and the future will show declines if they continue on this trek.

now, they might be proven wrong. this is all stock talk which means it's speculative.
 
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This smells like more fake news designed to manipulate the stock more. Their sources are “people familiar with the region?”

If it’s true, which I don’t even believe:

1) If price is so wrong, why just Japan?
2) How much will the discount be?
3) When will it be implemented?
4) Why are iPhone XS (more expensive) not being reported as dropping price?
5) Are they really going to sell iPhone X versus dropping the price of the XS? Doubt that too.

Until we know if it truly happened, I don’t believe anything I read from outside reports on Apple. It’s all fake news.
Well that can be answered;
1) You've got to start somewhere, perhaps in a region where you're not doing as well as expected.
2) Wait and see, time reveals all.
3) see 2)
4) Because they are more expensive to make so less likely to drop in price compared to an X.
5) Yes they are cheaper to make + see 4)

BTW stop using the term "fake news" just because it's something that you don't agree with.
 
Yes I am a subscriber. I used to manage engineering at Apple and now manage engineering programs at its competitor. Why do you have to assume people on the internet are just retarded? Do you want a screen shot of the full article?

(I created my account after I left Apple so did not violate its social media policy.)

Some Japanese consumers say the XR’s price, while considerably below the XS, is too high for the sacrifices in display quality, number of camera lenses, and slower data transmission speed.

Apple’s iPhone 8 has remained hugely popular in Japan for those looking for an affordable Apple handset, because it is cheaper than the XR and was available when XS and XS Max were released.

Apple suppliers have also recently resumed making the iPhone X, the 2017 model that Apple had stopped selling at its own stores, people familiar with the matter said.

In the past, Apple has produced legacy models for select markets where there is enough demand for those devices, the person familiar with Apple’s sales and production tactics said. The company views it as a way to fuel sales and boost margins, as the components often cost less and manufacturing equipment has depreciated, he said.

People involved in the supply chain said the resumption of the X is due in part to Apple’s contract with Samsung SDI Co. , a major provider of iPhone X’s organic-light emitting diode display, or OLED, panels. Apple needs to buy a certain amount of the panels from the South Korean maker, and given the cut in XS and XS Max, Apple is trying to fill the gap with the old device, they said.

Apple and Samsung SDI declined to comment.

—Tripp Mickle in San Francisco and Yang Jie and Yoko Kubota in Beijing contributed to this article.
Yes, thanks for posting it. I don’t subscribe to fake news, but I’ll read it.The reason people assume people are dumb is because with Apple, you CAN'T just read headlines OR believe every story written about them. It's been proven a lot of fake news has been reported about Apple over the years and production cuts have largely been false.

After reading, it doesn’t make specific predictions and just sounds more like vague fake news.

“Some Japanese Consumers” sounds like they interviewed a few customers and ran with it.

“People involved in the supply chain” again sounds like a few people they asked and made it a story. It’s like asking someone who works as a cashier at Walmart what corporate is doing. They don’t know but they say they do.

No one knows. Until they implement this and we know the details, it’s fake news.

It also doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they lower prices and XS too? Why would it just be in Japan?

Why didn’t Apple offer Black Friday deals on the new lineup if it’s struggling so much?

Why is this same kind of story reported and debunked every year?
 
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Stock price is not based on current value but future value. people buy/sell stock for the promise of profits of a company either being paid out via dividends, or increase in value (and sometimes both). That increase in value of a stock is based on future expectations.

Today's value is irrelevant. this stock dip we're seeing is investors believing that the future for Apple is less than it is today. And less than it was during the product announcement. There's a general belief that peak apple is now passed.

It's all tied together nicely. High profit margins appeal to stock investors because the more profit a company makes, the expectation is higher dividends follow as profits are passed back to the investor.

Everything you said was true but didn’t necessarily support your conclusion though. Yours conclusions is a conjecture that market reacts to profit margin, when in reality guidance has much more sway to movement.

In my humble opinion (my brother is a hedge fund manager but I only have an MBA) Apple stock performance has more to do with the general tech selloff and saturation of its growth opportunity.
 
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Well that can be answered;
1) You've got to start somewhere, perhaps in a region where you're not doing as well as expected.
2) Wait and see, time reveals all.
3) see 2)
4) Because they are more expensive to make so less likely to drop in price compared to an X.
5) Yes they are cheaper to make + see 4)

BTW stop using the term "fake news" just because it's something that you don't agree with.
It is fake until it happens. Has it happened?

1) You wouldn’t do this in one country if the problem was worldwide.
2) wait and see means it hasn’t happened and is either fake news, not urgent, or both.
3) See
4) You don’t know that. They might be essentially the same cost as component pricing has come down, they have ramped a12, and the materials are essentially the same phone.
5) Again, you don’t know that
 
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Yes, thanks for posting it. I don’t subscribe to fake news, but I’ll read it.

After reading, it doesn’t make specific predictions and just sounds more like vague fake news.

“Some Japanese Consumers” sounds like they interviewed a few customers and ran with it.

“People involved in the supply chain” again sounds like a few people they asked and made it a story. It’s like asking someone who works as a cashier at Walmart what corporate is doing. They don’t know but they say they do.

No one knows. Until they implement this and we know the details, it’s fake news.

It also doesn’t make sense. Why wouldn’t they lower prices and XS too? Why would it just be in Japan?

Why didn’t Apple offer Black Friday deals on the new lineup if it’s struggling so much?

Why is this same kind of story reported and debunked every year?

Why would you call wsj fake news? In my experience wsj, nyt, etc are top tier news outlets that have high journalistic standard.

If you call cnn or foxnews fake news I highly agree with you—I do that too. You have to understand though wsj and nyt are not just raw news like “what happened” but rather comes with added value (analysis). If you just want raw news you can just read AP.

Also, if you are a republican (since fake news is often a phrase they use), wsj is actually leaning right than left.

Apple did lower price via carrier in the past in Japan.

Maybe this is where the disconnect is. You said “why doesn’t Apple have Black Friday sales” see Apple doesn’t actually want to lower price in their store or outlet. Carrier discount is a lot diff and people will think they are getting a discount from carrier than appole directly so doesn’t cheapen its brand image. (In reality carrier cannot provide subsidy without apple’s approval per contract. The plan to change that is why the report.)
 
Ugh, every year the same rumor. While I agree Apple’s entire lineup is overpriced (and the entire Mac lineup also underperforms), we’ve heard this same song before. Someone reports that a supplier cut production or something like that and immediately the rumors start and have been wrong every time. IF price cuts happen or iPhone X returns then maybe sales rumor has merit.
 
That new iPad price is rediculous. None of my friends got the new iPhones and we always get them every year. I also usually get the new iPad. Now imma keep my 2nd gen for another year or two since I got a new 2 year warranty after it was replaced. The prices are going in the wrong direction. And I don’t see any new functionality. Like the new iPad surely should have support for a real file system and external hard drive support for that high price.
 
Different experiences for different folks. I've had my Nexus 7 2013 from release until I sold it this summer. I was very happy with it.

The original Pixel has received 2 years plus of updates and they are still humming along pretty well. You said name you one Android phone that received updates and I did.

Let me clarify, i dont consider 2 years of updates adequate. Windows computers get 7 years or more, Macs get what 4-5 years?, etc. Yet google is commended for a measly 2 years in best case scenario?
 
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Everything you said was true but didn’t necessarily support your conclusion though. Yours conclusions is a conjecture that market reacts to profit margin, when in reality guidance has much more sway to movement.

In my humble opinion (my brother is a hedge fund manager but I only have an MBA) Apple stock performance has more to do with the general tech selloff and saturation of its growth opportunity.
It doesn't matter what you or any of us think about the stock. The price is the price. However, as you said, everything is down. It's not an Apple story.

As an investor, nothing changed in a month about Apple's growth opportunity when it was trading at $220/share. Nothing. They reported outstanding numbers, better than expected. The guidance of $93B being "low" is laughable as the last 2 Xmas quarters have beaten top end guidance. Even if you didn't like the guidance and wished it were more like $95B (as many analysts wanted) is that really a 22% negative? LOL!

I'm glad Apple is getting to buy back more shares. None of this will matter in a year.
 
iPhone product range was a disaster in the making and the current news is the pinnacle, so far.

The iPhone X was innovative, OK, and great for people, who used the 6/7/8 PLUS. Same screen size and compact size.

The X Plus was a size overkill but hey, there are peolple who want phablets and I am fine with that.

And there are surely people with too much money who buy the XS or XSMax despite the lack of any true innovation, again, why should I care for that? I don’t!

The X should not have been discontinued but should have received a significant price drop, as did the iPhone 6 and 7 after a year or so.

The XR is just a ridiculous product, a flop like the 5c. There is no need for a cheap expensive phablet. That product is nonsense.

The XR should have been equipped with a 4inch screen or it should not have been bigger in size than the SE for people who would look for a cheaper phone with a totally different FORM FACTOR. A market niche, that out of stupidity no company wants to serve.

Hell even an upgraded SE with bezels and home button would sell like hot cake!

Their fault!

Losers!
 
Why would you call wsj fake news? In my experience wsj, nyt, etc are top tier news outlets that have high journalistic standard.

If you call cnn or foxnews fake news I highly agree with you—I do that too. You have to understand though wsj and nyt are not just raw news like “what happened” but rather comes with added value (analysis). If you just want raw news you can just read AP.

Also, if you are a republican (since fake news is often a phrase they use), wsj is actually leaning right than left.

Apple did lower price via carrier in the past in Japan.

Maybe this is where the disconnect is. You said “why doesn’t Apple have Black Friday sales” see Apple doesn’t actually want to lower price in their store or outlet. Carrier discount is a lot diff and people will think they are getting a discount from carrier than appole directly so doesn’t cheapen its brand image. (In reality carrier cannot provide subsidy without apple’s approval per contract. The plan to change that is why the report.)
Because they are? Bloomberg is fake news too. CNBC is fake news. Nikkei is fake news. All of them have reported fake articles about Apple this year and in the past. Do you want me to dig them up?

WSJ has zero credibility when it comes to Apple. This has nothing to do with politics.

Trump's greatest phrase (republican or democrat) is "fake news." He couldn't be more right about that. The news is AWFUL these days.

Carriers run subsidies all the time. If this is the case, it's a non story. This usually impacts the carrier's margin (not Apple) and designed as a means for acquiring customers on their network. Carrier subsidies are so common, it's not even news. We have no idea what the terms of the contract are, but in general, suppliers like Best Buy, Walmart, ATT, Verizon, etc are free to do whatever they want to sell phones. They are just going to eat it.

Until Apple lowers the Xr on their website, I couldn't care less what carriers are doing. They are competing.
 
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iPhone product range was a disaster in the making and the current news is the pinnacle, so far.

The iPhone X was innovative, OK, and great for people, who used the 6/7/8 PLUS. Same screen size and compact size.

The X Plus was a size overkill but hey, there are peolple who want phablets and I am fine with that.

And there are surely people with too much money who buy the XS or XSMax despite the lack of any true innovation, again, why should I care for that? I don’t!

The X should not have been discontinued but should have received a significant price drop, as did the iPhone 6 and 7 after a year or so.

The XR is just a ridiculous product, a flop like the 5c. There is no need for a cheap expensive phablet. That product is nonsense.

The XR should have been equipped with a 4inch screen or it should not have been bigger in size than the SE for people who would look for a cheaper phone with a totally different FORM FACTOR. A market niche, that out of stupidity no company wants to serve.

Hell even an upgraded SE with bezels and home button would sell like hot cake!

Their fault!

Losers!

You're hilarious.
 
I don't understand the hate for the XR, I love mine. A good upgrade from my old work 6S and personal 5S. But Apple has to realize that upgrade cycles averaging four years will become the norm, some will upgrade every year or two and some will upgrade every six+. I have three inlaws still happy on their 5S.
 
1. If you care what people think about you based on your choice of phone you likely have bigger problems. Also I have the XR myself and price wasn't a consideration. I can easily afford the more expensive models but the OLED screens give me eye strain so the X, XS and XS Max were write offs for myself and likely other customers with the same issue.

Good for you. But the iPhone is a Status Symbol and that's why many people buy it.

2. Yes the XR could be cheaper but the OLED models are also considerably more expensive than the competition as well yet have similar specs. Apple products have always been priced higher than the competition.

Maybe. But that's why budget Apple products don't work.
 
You're hilarious.

No more small phone in the Apple Store, so sad!

If I have one of those big “devices” in my front pocket and Tim sees me like this, he might think that I am “happy” to see him, he would make som bad wrong conclusions!
No big phone, dammit!
 
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Maybe this is where the disconnect is. You said “why doesn’t Apple have Black Friday sales” see Apple doesn’t actually want to lower price in their store or outlet. Carrier discount is a lot diff and people will think they are getting a discount from carrier than appole directly so doesn’t cheapen its brand image. (In reality carrier cannot provide subsidy without apple’s approval per contract. The plan to change that is why the report.)
Notwithstanding the PRSI comments, which was snipped, there are always carrier BOGO deals, this is nothing new since the contract subsidy elimination years ago.
 
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