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Apple Reportedly Reduced Face ID Accuracy to Speed Up iPhone X Production

Still won't move me away from purchasing. Apple doesn't put their flagship in full production if it doesn't meet their requirements. Unfortunately all this does is put a smile on the faces of people who can't acquire it or only have bad things to say about it without it even being in the hands of the general public yet. And I love people talking 1st gen product problems, what gen is the iPhone 8 with all of its QC issues? iPhone 8 is quite a mature design to still incur issues I'd say.
 
KPOM said:
I don’t doubt the report but it is making a mountain out of a molehill. It isn’t as if FaceID will be less secure or accurate than TouchID. It wouldn’t surprise me at all that they make these kinds of decisions with every generation.
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It's also possible that they could be correct. However, Apple would've known about these deficiencies before the keynote. so perhaps earlier projections were to be a 1 in 10 million chance of somebody being able to unlock your phone, but they changed it to 1 in a million because they knew the sensors were not 100% what they wanted.
 
Jsameds said:
Wow - didn't know it was that low. Would have guessed (well I actually did guess) a lot higher.

I believe it's lower than other flagships because of the sides, which they have left the same thickness of older iPhones, whereas Galaxy for example has no edge bezel.

I do think this was a purposeful decision on Apple's part. True bezel-less sure looks cool, but they are simply not as practical.
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Agreed on that. I would have preferred the top section to the sides of the notch to be "out-of-bounds" and be permanently black with carrier info etc displayed. Would just have been far more elegant!
 
When Touch ID was announced there were plenty of doubters. People that felt it would be fraught with problems. I, on the other hand, was a believer. I believed that Apple's implementation of fingerprint sensor technology would be the first consumer-level company to do it right. IMHO, Touch ID has been a huge success.

Unfortunately, I just don't have the same faith in Face ID. I hope I am wrong. But I fear that Face ID (and, therefore, the iPhone X) is going to be a spectacular failure.

Mark
 
"Apple declined to comment."

Wouldn't it be in their interest to deny this tacitly and immediately if it wasn't true? I mean, I, for one, was getting ready to pre-order at midnight, on Friday, but now I'm seriously considering waiting until this is sorted out. I doubt I'm the only one with similar thoughts.
 
spacemnspiff said:
Looks like you are building a 100% plus ratio Apple iPhoneX competition. Care to show what the prototype looks like?
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? Nope, I make speakers, not phones. :) But only the Pixel 2 has a lower screen/body ratio from the current crop of "Bezel-less" flagships.

Apple iPhone X 81.49%
LG V30 83.24%
Samsung S8 83.6%
Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 82.63%
 
polterbyte said:
"Apple declined to comment."

Wouldn't it be in their interest to deny this tacitly and immediately if it wasn't true? I mean, I, for one, was getting ready to pre-order at midnight, on Friday, but now I'm seriously considering waiting until this is sorted out. I doubt I'm the only one with similar thoughts.
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They never comment on these supplier rumors. They usually don't even want to confirm who their suppliers are.
 
I will wait and see with the actual phones. If Apple had to do this, and backtrack on components or build quality that will make or break the feature, I won't be surprised. Just disappointed. If that's the case, Apple needs a complete rethink in their brass. The whole image first, product second business is becoming a problem.

Cutting corners while charging a premium, and putting form over function needs to stop. It will eventually bite Apple right in the core.

I hope everyone who gets an X will have a phone they love that works as intended.
 
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bjoswald said:
I doubt this is true because of the potential security risks. Then again, there's always the XS.
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Which potential security risks? How does this affect security? FaceID could fail completely and not impact security. It's the failure mode that matters. There's nothing in this story to suggest that security, usability or any other end-user visible parameter has changed. Even if it had, we don't even know what those parameters were before the change, so why does it matter?
 
polterbyte said:
"Apple declined to comment."

Wouldn't it be in their interest to deny this tacitly and immediately if it wasn't true? I mean, I, for one, was getting ready to pre-order at midnight, on Friday, but now I'm seriously considering waiting until this is sorted out. I doubt I'm the only one with similar thoughts.
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You have 14 days to return it. What's the point in waiting then? It doesn't work as you expected, return it for a full refund.
 
Brian Y said:
This is just clickbait on Bloomberg's part IMO. Unnamed source said Apple reduces quality.

Baseless accusations I think. Just trying to get a few ad views from the hype/rumours.
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Honestly this is slander (unless it’s actually true, which I highly doubt).
 
Jsameds said:
Sit back, grab some popcorn and just watch the outrage burst forth from these boards over a product that no one here has actually used or even seen yet.
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Exactly. People are livid about a rumor. Apple probably didn't respond because how could they respond to every unfounded rumor. Someone probably emailed info@apple.com, got no answer and said they declined to comment.
 
eggbrother said:
If the news is not real, Apple would definitely response saying it is fake!
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Apple very rarely comment on rumours. Apple do not release products unless they meet their standards and they certainly wouldn't realise face ID thats less accurate when it's the only form of opening a device thats not a passcode.
 
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Mark Booth said:
Unfortunately, I just don't have the same faith in Face ID. I hope I am wrong. But I fear that Face ID (and, therefore, the iPhone X) is going to be a spectacular failure.

Mark
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At least you're being reasonable. We really don't have any reason to believe it will or won't work aside from Apple's assurances, and stories like this one are just tiny peeks at the typical development of a new product production process. If this really works well on initial release, I'd say it's a tribute to very strong product development at Apple. It's not easy rolling out a sophisticated new technology with many new pieces that push engineering limits. If it's not perfect, then how the company responds and how they are able to address the issues will be important. If they drop the ball there, then we can start talking about whether the company is in trouble. I suspect in reality, there will be a few unexpected edge cases, but for the majority of users it'll work well, and after an update or two people will be talking about how they can't live without it.
 
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