Apple Reportedly Renews 'For All Mankind' and Other Apple TV+ Shows for Second Seasons

[doelcm82]

But, that wasn’t really the point. I just don’t think it will be a Netflix killer at launch.

Maybe sometime down the road, just not in November.

I don't think anyone expects Netflix to close up shop based on Apple TV+'s launch. Netflix will of course fight for its life.

Here's the thing: TV streaming services are different from phones. When someone bought an iPhone, it usually meant a lost sale for Nokia or RIM or Sony Ericsson. Hardly anyone carries more than one phone around (I know they exist; they post here, but they are not typical). Even if Apple had given away the iPhone at launch, those other companies would have lost a sale. But a far greater portion of the TV streaming consumer base is subscribing to more than one service at the time. With Apple TV+ being free for a lot of people the first year (and cheap even if you pay monthly), the other services won't feel the pinch immediately.

Apple is not aiming to kill anyone at launch. They're aiming to succeed. And they're aiming to compete in terms of quality, because that will affect their future success. Sometime down the road, Apple will want to make money from its streaming service. Not just in terms of hardware sales, but directly from subscription fees.

 

[markgpearse]

It didn't help that the trailers for every single show looked horrific, especially SEE. If you can't make a trailer/teaser interesting then it doesn't bode well.

It also doesn't help that Apple are going down the family friendly route for a lot of their content which means their shows will probably be mushy fluffy garbage.

I just hope the people behind Masters of the Air are allowed to make a great mini-series that is at least as good as Band of Brothers & The Pacific. That way at least all 50 of us who will have access to Apple TV+ can watch it.

I agree. The trailers don't bode well. For All Mankind... a Tim Cook PC vanity project. I have to say I did like the trailer for the elephant show... Disney/Nat Geo/PBS all in one.

 

[Freida]

Its common sense. Not sure why its even surprising. The service is not out and no one knows anything unlike the other services that are established.
Disney+ might not be out but everyone knows Disney movies so people already know what they are getting.
Apple needs to launch it and then we will see if its trash or not.
Also, I think it would be unfair to trash Apple for doing their content as they are not actually doing the content. They just provide a platform and money. The content is created by people from the industry that worked for other studios before so bashing them serves no purpose. For all we know, we could be getting the same caliber that was on Breaking Bad etc..Its the people that make the movies/tv series - not the companies. So we shall see what we get. The only input Apple really has is what show they greenlight but apart from that thats probably where their 'creative' input ends. They might have some silly requests and limitations but in the end professionals will create it. We shall see.

I do agree with others though, I would much rather Apple focused on hardware/software of their products that at the moment is complete mess than just adding another thing on their plate to distract them from.

Me either.

Outside of tech news, Apple TV+ has been unheard about in my experience. The ATV is also often unheard of, and that has been around for over a decade.

I often discuss streaming services, cord cutting options, movies and tv shows, and streaming boxes with my friends and co-workers, and it seems like very few people have heard of the ATV or the Apple TV+ service.

But they all know about Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, Roku, and Fire TV.

This is how almost every conversation about the ATV goes for me:

Co-worker: "do have have a smart tv or streaming box?"

Me: " I use the Apple TV."

Them: "I didn't know they made TVs, is it expensive?"

Me: "it is like a Fire TV."

Them: "Oh."

 

[macfacts]

Apple doesn’t use Netflix model. Their TV shows will be updated weekly, not all at once. For example you can watch first 3 episodes of For All Mankind then have to wait for new episode weekly.

Lol, does apple think drip feeding shows will make people want it more? While people are waiting for next week's show, they will switch to other video services. Apple thinks people have patience

 

[siger10k]

Bought an 11 pro max a couple weeks ago. How would Apple know that if I want to get a year free of Apple TV+?

 

[TVreporter]

Pretty sure this isn’t what Jobs meant when he said he finally cracked the TV interface.

 

[Juicy Box]

“for the price of a happy meal”. That’s the mentality I try not to get into. Because there so just so many subscription services to choose from and they all try to have their own special “thing”. So at the end of the day it ended up becoming 4-5 happy meal worth per month. Nothing against that, but I personally find it a bit much. But then again I’m cheap, so there you go

I get what you are saying, and I am similar.

I subscribe to Netflix and Hulu, and get other streaming service on a temporary bases to catch up on shows, then I cancel.

I will be canceling both, and getting the higher tier Disney plus in November, and probably sign up for Netflix for a few months when Stranger Things season four comes out. Catching up on other shows while subscribed.

All the time, I see people complain about cord cutting and how much it costs them.

But, when asked about what they pay for and how much, many times they are subscribed to a half dozen or more streaming services, and often paying for Gigabit internet via their ISP, when a lower tier that is have the cost would work.

Then, they wonder why they are not saving that much from cord cutting.

 

[Dorv]

Netflix is safe for now from Apple’s service, but I agree with you about Disney.

I think the point being missed in all of this is that not all of these new streaming services are trying to directly compete with each other. Disney+ is absolutely setting it's sites on Netflix, but I don't at all think Amazon or Apple will consider themselves successful or not based on a set subscriber goal compared to Netflix.

 

[matrix07]

Lol, does apple think drip feeding shows will make people want it more? While people are waiting for next week's show, they will switch to other video services. Apple thinks people have patience

And you know this how?

 

[justperry]

I almost never waste my time watching tv, try it, anything is better than Tv (series) addiction.

 

[vmachiel]

It’s a company with finite resources. Using those resources to play tv station is a waste of time, money, and good will with customers who are getting subpar products.

resources aren’t the problem. You can only add so many developer until they don’t add any marginal value. They need to manage the people they have better yes, but simply throwing money at the problem won’t solve it. They also have to get into new markets. Nothing lasts forever, and you have to keeping skating to where the puc is going.

 

[wigby]

I wouldn’t put this on the potential subscriber, but on Apple.

Outside of the tech world, people don’t know what they don’t know.

Usual non-techie people learn things from advertising or word of mouth, and sometime Apple just fails at this.

I have been a long time ATV fan, but Apple dropped the ball on it a long time ago.

it is much better than the competition, but hardly anyone knows what it is.

Even with it being superior, Apple sometimes seems like they deliberately sabotage its potentially success, such as the mess of the launch of the ATV4 and tvOS.

I don’t blame the consumer for stuff like this, because it is up to Apple tI prove why people should care.

I think that Apple TV hardware and even TVOS are completely different than Apple TV+ original content which his really what I'm referring to. There are already many non-Apple ways to stream Apple shows. So the success of Apple streaming content is going to be a slow build unlike hardware releases which are either overnight hits or failures by most metrics. Original series that do not have any ties to large franchises can take years before they catch on and get true word of mouth. Tech hardware doesn't have that luxury because it would be out of date by that time. So this is a new area for Apple but I'm also not worried at all and I'm sure they're not either. It's a long game play and Apple can afford to play the longest game right now.

 

[quinneverett]

Dickinson will also be back for a second season. 100% confirmed. They are already in production for it.

 

[fmcshan]

I feel like a lot of people (at least ones that I know) have no idea that Apple TV+ is a thing. People assume when I ask them about subscribing to the service, they are thinking I’m talking about buying a physical Apple TV. Apple should make some sort of ad or tutorial that highlights how you can access Apple TV+ on all apple devices and select Smart TV’s & Roku/Amazon Fire TV.

 

[Juicy Box]

I think that Apple TV hardware and even TVOS are completely different than Apple TV+ original content which his really what I'm referring to.

Yea, it isn't an exact comparison, but it still reminds me of Apple's failure with the ATV.

You are right though, it is a long game that Apple is playing.
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I think the point being missed in all of this is that not all of these new streaming services are trying to directly compete with each other. Disney+ is absolutely setting it's sites on Netflix, but I don't at all think Amazon or Apple will consider themselves successful or not based on a set subscriber goal compared to Netflix.

This is a good point. I would add Hulu in there too.

 

[siger10k]

Will Apple TV+ be available on Roku?

 

[PickUrPoison]

There will be millions people, if not ten of millions, who will have access to TV+ because Apple giving a free access when you buy Apple products. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Assuming they run the promo through the end of the year, around 75+ million. An additional 60+ million if they run it through the end of March. Could be 250+ million if they let it run a full year.

 

[Juicy Box]

I don't think anyone expects Netflix to close up shop based on Apple TV+'s launch.

Based off of some of the comments over the past few weeks, I think many people believe that Apple is driving the nails in Netflix's coffin with the ATV+ launch.

I have a feeling that Netflix will not be going anywhere, anytime soon.

Apple is not aiming to kill anyone at launch. They're aiming to succeed. And they're aiming to compete in terms of quality, because that will affect their future success. Sometime down the road, Apple will want to make money from its streaming service. Not just in terms of hardware sales, but directly from subscription fees.

Now, this totally makes sense.

I think that Apple including subs with device purchases will not only help them to get them to that long term success, but it was most likely necessary.

They undercut all their competitors, which giving away free subs, and Apple most likely couldn't get the subs without doing that.

Apple knows what it is doing here, and they are going for the long haul.

 

[matty.p]

Will Apple TV+ be available on Roku?

the app was released yesterday.

 

[Juicy Box]

Also, I think it would be unfair to trash Apple for doing their content as they are not actually doing the content.

I pretty much agree with your post, but not sure if the above quote was aimed at me, I don't think I made any comments about the lack of quality of Apple's TV shows.

 

[PickUrPoison]

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But based off of many posts I see, people seem to think that this will be a replacement for Netflix at the ATV Plus launch, or a Netflix Killer, which I doubt it will happen any time soon.

Anyone who thinks ATV+ at launch is a Netflix replacement probably doesn’t understand there will only be nine shows available (at first). Maybe they think the iTunes catalog will be streamable, but that’s not the case.

Based off of some of the comments over the past few weeks, I think many people believe that Apple is driving the nails in Netflix's coffin with the ATV+ launch.

Based on what I’ve seen, I think very few people think that, not many.

 

[Freida]

I pretty much agree with your post, but not sure if the above quote was aimed at me, I don't think I made any comments about the lack of quality of Apple's TV shows.

It wasn't. Sorry. I was being general

 

[Juicy Box]

Anyone who thinks ATV+ at launch is a Netflix replacement probably doesn’t understand there will only be nine shows available (at first). Maybe they think the iTunes catalog will be streamable, but that’s not the case.

Based off of some of the comments, it looks like there are people that think that ATV+ and its 9 shows with a few episodes each at launch is a much better library than what Netflix currently has.

I haven't watched any of the ATV+ shows yet of course, maybe they are the best shows ever, but I find it hard that anyone could write off Netflix's amount of content right now.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Will Apple TV+ be available on Roku?

According to https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...p-is-compatible-with-these-roku-set-top-boxes:

Compatible devices are

• Roku TV 7000X, C000X, 8000X
• Roku Smart Soundbar 9101X
• onn Roku Smart Soundbar 9100X
• Roku Express 3900X, 3930X
• Roku Express+ 3910X, 3931X
• Roku HD 3932X
• Roku Streaming Stick 3800X
• Roku Streaming Stick+ 3810X, 3811X
• Roku Premiere 3920X, 4620X
• Roku Premiere+ 3921X, 4630X
• Roku Ultra 4640X, 4660X, 4661X, 4670X
• Roku Ultra LT 4662X
• Roku 2 4205X, 4210X
• Roku 3 4200X, 4230X

 

[Zoboomafoo]

Apple doesn’t use Netflix model. Their TV shows will be updated weekly, not all at once. For example you can watch first 3 episodes of For All Mankind then have to wait for new episode weekly.

Im so glad they’re doing this. Lost and thrones are some of my favorite shows and don’t think would have the same effect if I’d binged them. Omg what happened to Walt?? Well let’s just play the next episode. See he’s fine