If this is true than we are surrounded by idiots looking at the past comments in the forums on Apple vs Samsung
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Apple Reportedly Signs Deal with Samsung for 14-nm A9 Chips Starting in 2015
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If this is true than we are surrounded by idiots looking at the past comments in the forums on Apple vs Samsung
This, no doubt this comment is lost on all the Samsung haters on here but it's just business, nothing what so ever about keeping your enemies closer at all. No one else can match Samsung bar maybe Nvidia with its Tegra line of SOC, but even then a Samsng made chip is in a lot more devices.
I had no doubt they would stick with Samsung because of the numbers involved.
Hey you said it, not me.If this is true than we are surrounded by idiots looking at the past comments in the forums on Apple vs Samsung
There are only so many powerful fabs in the world, and even fewer that can produce chips efficient enough for mobile (ie not Intel). Samsung will always be a potential supplier for Apple.
Samsung is the largest technology company in the world.
I start thinking this must be a cult thing. The cult of Samsung. Without any reason, you just assert that Samsung must be better at making chips than TSMC. What evidence do you have? Not even evidence, what arguments do you have that would support this?
This is like the prime example of the pot calling the kettle black. You of all people shouldn't be accusing someone else of bias, considering you try to spin everything as pro-Apple as you possibly can.
TSMC might be pretty good, but Samsung has proven themselves plenty of times in the past as being capable of not only making some of the best components around, but being able to produce them in large quantities quickly. There might be other companies who can match Samsung in quality, but not quantity, or quantity, but not quality. Samsung is one of the few who can do both consistently. They're large enough, and they're experienced enough.
Hell, all you have to do is look at Apple products to see the truth in it. Would you get an LG rMBP just to keep yourself Samsung free? Would you be willing to sacrifice quality for a cheap point? If you ask me, doing so would be cutting off your nose to spite your own face.
Isn't this just a renewal of all current apple deals?
I mean samsung and apple do deals because samsung is a gun for hire unlike most big foundries. TSMC is a smaller greener company and wants to remain open to everyone so is actually not great for apple who need them to actually devote everything to do the quantities.
It would make zero sense to leave TSMC out and Samsung are the only ones to provide the goods now. Maybe in three gens time around 9/9x there will be a shake up. In tech it's too far ahead for anyone to bet on one horse.
I wished intel would open their foundry to outside designs because they are missing out on some great action as PC market is collapsing they need to be making ipad and mobile processors already that are better than ones apple is able to make. Intel should have listened to apples earlier calls for new mobile processors. If the 4th gen i series is anything to go by they could really smash in some great mobile ones this time round. They now get the race for less watts but more power with in built graphics that can drive HD+ displays.
I mean samsung and apple do deals because samsung is a gun for hire unlike most big foundries. TSMC is a smaller greener company and wants to remain open to everyone so is actually not great for apple who need them to actually devote everything to do the quantities.
It would make zero sense to leave TSMC out and Samsung are the only ones to provide the goods now. Maybe in three gens time around 9/9x there will be a shake up. In tech it's too far ahead for anyone to bet on one horse.
I wished intel would open their foundry to outside designs because they are missing out on some great action as PC market is collapsing they need to be making ipad and mobile processors already that are better than ones apple is able to make. Intel should have listened to apples earlier calls for new mobile processors. If the 4th gen i series is anything to go by they could really smash in some great mobile ones this time round. They now get the race for less watts but more power with in built graphics that can drive HD+ displays.
This must be Apple making sure it doesn't get caught with its pants down. It doesn't have its own fabs. So it makes sense that it's going to do multiple deals. I'm sure both contracts have performance clauses that allow Apple to end up using the company that has the best technology at the lowest prices.
Next step (no pun intended) ditch LG as a LCD panel supplier.
Let LG keep those crappy ips panels with image retention.
Let LG keep those crappy ips panels with image retention.
The same can be said the other way around too though. People immediately come out with 'Samsung products are crap' comments, despite them having some of the highest quality production facilities in the world.
In comparison Apple don't make a single one of their products. They are made by (mainly) Foxconn using parts made by Samsung, LG, Sharp, etc.
Now, TSMC may very well (and likely will) product equal quality chips as Samsung. The difference is Samsung has the space, people and funds to do it at a much higher level, using more expensive machinery, thus can afford higher quality control, etc.
It's simple Math. Whilst you'd hope that TSMC will invest in decent quality control, logically Samsung CAN invest more into that, especially since most of the production hardware is used for more than just Apple products (thus they can spread the cost over multiple contracts).
There's nothing wrong with Samsung, TSMC or any other Apple supplier. We're just infiltrated by (pretty thick) people who seem to think that if its made by Samsung, its gotta be junk and if its made by Apple, its pure gold.
People quickly forget things that Samsung have done for Apple. For example the 15" rMBP screen issues. The LG panels had a stupidly high fail rate. The Samsung panels were fine, and are now the primary screen supplier for the rMBP line.
People need to get over the damn pathetic and childish 'Samsung vs Apple' debates. It's worse than the Mac vs PC crap now, and most of the time, people on both sides of the argument are talking rubbish.
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Only fanboys can be stupid enough to say Samsung is Evil... pft...
I still find this to be hilariously ironic...
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My TV is Samsung, and I just bought the Samsung 85 UHD TV... it is incredibly sharp and an amazing piece of Tech ready for the 4K and 6K media (not happening anytime soon but oh my gods the movies on it look amazing!!!)
Ok Seriously Fanboys, relax, it's just technology and Apple has been using Samsung, Drives, Screens, chips etc for years, so why so much hate? Do you really feel so much better saying those things?
Yup, it's nanometers. Though that measurement doesn't denote the size of the entire chip, but I believe represents the halfway point between transistors.
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Would seem to be common sense; have multiple suppliers to mitigate risk; and you're not wholly dependant on any one supplier so you can play one off against the other.
One thing is true of Samsung, it produces quality products. Their SSDs, displays and consumer appliances being examples.
The most simplistic and incredibly basic way to explain what a processor does is to think of it as a space where a current of electricity moves along a bunch of channels through a series of gates. A CPU operation is when a current has traveled through enough gates to perform a task. The farther the current has to travel along the channels between these gates to perform a task, the more power that's required to push it. If you shorten the channels between the gates, then it takes less power to move a current to perform an operation. The end result is a more efficient CPU that can do the same task at a lower voltage setting.
The advantage smaller CPUs have for mobile platforms is that they're easier on batteries, since they don't require as much power to run an operation as a larger CPU at the same speed, and don't produce as much heat.
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