Apple Reports First Year-Over-Year Revenue Decline Since 2003: $10.5B Profit on $50.6B in Revenue

[Karma*Police]

I couldn't agree more on the 3d touch, fantastic. Very innovative solution to a problem that drove me crazy! Now can you point me to the iPad that has this feature? They come out with a fantastic piece of tech and they fragment their ecosystem to only give so much on an upgrade cycle.

I'd also love to see 3D Touch on iPad but I can understand why they'd delay it on iPad.

iPad with 3D Touch would be thicker and heavier which isn't something most people would want. If I can notice the weight difference between a 6 and 6S, I'm sure it would make a much bigger difference on the iPad.

There's also the cost issue. Apple probably decided that adding an expensive component over a larger surface area in a much cheaper device didn't make financial sense for them.

BTW, on iPad, you can use two fingers on the keyboard to turn it into a trackpad... so much better than editing text with the magnifying glass.

 

[radiologyman]

I think this is actually good news for us. Apple will HAVE to finally cater to consumer wishes and cut the prices. OLED? It's a given. Iphone 7 for price of SE at Black Friday? You betcha. But you can milk Iphone popularity for only so long. Apple Car? Trying to break into new market to sustain growth. Apple should put those billions into R&D before it too late

 

[MNJohn]

That's weird. I see them all the time. Restaurants, mall, concerts etc.

I haven't seen one in the wild but I don't dumpster dive often...

 

[drewsof07]

Do you mean when they axed the "subsidies"... but replaced them with payment plans?

Which are basically the same thing but simply called something different?

Nothing has changed. You're still paying for a phone over time.

You might have only paid $199 at the time of purchase... but you were paying the remainder yourself over 24 months.

And the same thing still happens today.

But the cost of the monthly service did not decrease proportionate to the higher outright cost of the device... That was my point. I get that the price of the phone was hidden in the service contract, but my AT&T contract didn't decrease when the device was removed from the equation; ergo making the iPhone more expensive to own.

 

[satchmo]

Apple Watch met expectations...not very encouraging.

 

[tallscot]

I got a 6 and the hardware is flawless so I'm curious what "bugs to be worked out" you're referring to?

I'm sure there were people who had a darn fine 1980 Ford Pinto too.

The phone bending was a well-reported problem with the 6 Plus.

Here is a nice list of problems:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-6-problems/2/
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Are you serious right now? Android is much more advanced and isn't nearly as ugly as Johnny Ive's iOS.

This is what you are referring to?

 

[bgraham]

When you have a company like Huawei (Huawei?!) spending more on R&D than Apple for god's sake, there's a serious problem.

Apple really did lose it when Jobs died.

 

[RedOrchestra]

Here is a nice list of problems:

That's sure a lot of Dreamboat Annie stuff - not a one of those on my 6.

 

[tallscot]

I'm kinda glad I never got bitten by the Mac bug. I use Adobe products so it doesn't matter which platform I use.

But the fact that I can buy... or build... a monster desktop computer is awesome.

New video card? Just plug it in! A big chassis to house a ton of (reasonably priced) hard drives or SSDs? You betcha!

Windows might not be as "elegant" as OSX... but golly... IMHO the hardware choices makes up for it

I envy that. For me, it was never worth having to use Windows. Plus, I really do prefer Apple Motion, Compressor, Final Cut Pro X over Premiere Pro / After Effects, which I also own.

Maybe Apple should just license their OS and apps to PC hardware vendors!!!

 

[RedOrchestra]

Apple Watch met expectations...not very encouraging.

Yeah, that's enough to set the market all a flutter.

 

[tallscot]

That's sure a lot of Dreamboat Annie stuff - not a one of those on my 6.

Good for you.

 

[einsteinbqat]

Well, you know what they say. What goes up…

 

[tallscot]

Good for you.

That's sure a lot of Dreamboat Annie stuff - not a one of those on my 6.

Dreamboat Annie stuff here – Apple announcing a recall of iPhone 6 Plus because of the FAMOUS camera problem:
https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6plus-isightcamera/

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nati...h-of-iPhone-6-Plus-Smartphones-322640971.html

That's all nonsense though because YOUR iPhone works fine. Uh huh.

 

[jhh]

I'm not too worried. Even when Apple sales are way up and profits are skyrocketing... the stock price drops. Maybe this is the time to buy-buy-buy! I expect "something new" later this year or maybe in 2017.

 

[doelcm82]

I haven't seen one in the wild but I don't dumpster dive often...

You just did.

 

[iceperson]

Do you mean when they axed the "subsidies"... but replaced them with payment plans?

Which are basically the same thing but simply called something different?

Nothing has changed. You're still paying for a phone over time.

You might have only paid $199 at the time of purchase... but you were paying the remainder yourself over 24 months.

And the same thing still happens today.

Until somewhat recently most providers charged the same regardless of whether or not users replaced their phones every 2 years. Of the 20 or so years I've had cell phone service almost all of them I paid the same whether I was on contract or not...

 

[RedOrchestra]

Dreamboat Annie stuff here – Apple announcing a recall of iPhone 6 Plus because of the FAMOUS camera problem:
https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6plus-isightcamera/

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nati...h-of-iPhone-6-Plus-Smartphones-322640971.html

That's all nonsense though because YOUR iPhone works fine. Uh huh.

You just said you bought the 6s because of all the problems with the 6 and then you go on to cite all the problems with the 6s - you're stumbling all over yourself.

 

[Analog Kid]

I think this is actually good news for us. Apple will HAVE to finally cater to consumer wishes and cut the prices. OLED? It's a given. Iphone 7 for price of SE at Black Friday? You betcha. But you can milk Iphone popularity for only so long. Apple Car? Trying to break into new market to sustain growth. Apple should put those billions into R&D before it too late

I don't think you get how this works... Apple had something over 90% smartphone profit share last year. Cutting prices and raising hardware cost isn't going to increase that. With a hat tip to Stephen Colbert, that last 10% is mostly backwash. They've peaked in phones, and probably computers for all intents and purposes-- even if they increase share in laptops, that market is declining overall.

Cars? Maybe, but they could just as easily bust there. It think they're plateau'ed for a while, and I hope they don't start charging about hoping to hit it big again. Issue dividends for a while, buy back some stock, and wait for the right hand before betting big.

 

[tallscot]

You just said you bought the 6s because of all the problems with the 6 and then you go on to cite all the problems with the 6s - you're stumbling all over yourself.

Read those two stories again, RedOrchestra. It's referring to the "iPhone 6 Plus", which is not "iPhone 6S" or "iPhone 6S Plus".

My iPhone 5 had the same recall. I went to an Apple web page and entered my serial number and, sure enough, it was under the recall. The only problem was Apple wanted to keep my phone for over a week to fix it (not replace it).

 

[moxxham]

All I ask is for a few price reductions, and there would be a few good things I would buy!

- AU $3099 for an i7 MacBook Pro with 256gb is insane.
- i5 iMac with a 1TB shi**y old harddrive for AU $2800
- AU $2449 for a 512gb 8Gb ram MacBook

I would buy all of these instantly with a good update and a new, cheaper price. For the moment I couldn't even think of spending my money on these specs with those prices.

 

[iMi]

this is what happens when a computer company turns itself into a fashion oriented phone company

...and in the process becomes a half-a-trillion dollar company. Yeah, what a misstep!

 

[applezulu]

Fanboys can say whatever they want, but Apple won't last. The current management is doing everything wrong they can do.

I own a MBP for over 8 years, it still works but the latest OS'es start to get to me (hence my recent surge of threads about issues). Yes I'm aware of the irony since it's 8 years old, but these are issues that have nothing to do with performance.

Apple SHOULD lower their prices, put back a discrete graphics card in their lowest end MBPr (otherwise I go back to Windows), and just get their head out of their...

They're not what they used to be, period. And Apple going into the car business, I don't know. There wil have been some research, but I don't see a shoemaker go into the tech business. It feels like they want to comeup with something, but in the end their new campus will be deserted in 10 years. (and honestly I don't want it to come to this, but it doesn't look good).

Profits based mainly on iPhones can't keep rising due to saturation, but there are other things they can do, which they can't seem to grasp which I find astonishing for a company of this wealth and past history.

One thing Apple never used to be was a company that lowered their prices to compete with cheap Windows computers.

People made the same sort of 'shoemaker in the tech business' comments when Apple entered the phone business.

There are a lot of selective perceptions of what Apple was, is, or should be on this board today. Luckily for Apple, Tim Cook probably doesn't read any of this crap.

 

[alextu]

the iphone is taking the same path as the ipad, but it is just
taking a little longer.

when the ipad first came out, it captured 80% of the tablet market
and sales increase year after year. and then people stopped buying
new ipads because the ones they own are good enough, so ipad sales started
to tumble.


same things with iphones, the iphones people have now
are good enought to last them at least 5 years, so people don't
need to upgrade phone every year.

and also the mystique and prestige of owning an iphone
is also gone because now just about everyone have an
iphone. you see someone talking on the phone, or looking
at a phone and you automatically assume it's an iphone.

 

[applezulu]

All I ask is for a few price reductions, and there would be a few good things I would buy!

- AU $3099 for an i7 MacBook Pro with 256gb is insane.
- i5 iMac with a 1TB shi**y old harddrive for AU $2800
- AU $2449 for a 512gb 8Gb ram MacBook

I would buy all of these instantly with a good update and a new, cheaper price. For the moment I couldn't even think of spending my money on these specs with those prices.

Enjoy Windows 10!
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the iphone is taking the same path as the ipad, but it is just
taking a little longer.

when the ipad first came out, it captured 80% of the tablet market
and sales increase year after year. and then people stopped buying
new ipads because the ones they own are good enough, so ipad sales started
to tumble.


same things with iphones, the iphones people have now
are good enought to last them at least 5 years, so people don't
need to upgrade phone every year.

and also the mystique and prestige of owning an iphone
is also gone because now just about everyone have an
iphone. you see someone talking on the phone, or looking
at a phone and you automatically assume it's an iphone.

1) Most buyers never upgraded iPhones every year.
2) How is it Apple is doomed if iPhones are so ubiquitous?

 

[iMi]

Most of Apple's revenue and hence profit comes from the iPhone. And the smartphone market has saturated. Feature upgrades are already at a level that not many people will think it's significant since the current phones are 'fast enough', the cameras are 'good enough', etc.

That's by the way exactly why Wall Street reacted the way they have. To many people, Apple is becoming a one trick pony. Then again, that's a one hell of a trick, if you ask me. The reality though is that the Mac alone, with only 10% of the company's total, is still multi-billion dollar business. It's all about perspective.