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Apple Reports First Year-Over-Year Revenue Decline Since 2003: $10.5B Profit on $50.6B in Revenue

Dmunjal said:
What field? What new field has Apple successfully entered in the last five years?

Apple should be a leader in cloud. But they use Google and Amazon?

Where are they in social media?

In services?

In entertainment?

In electric vehicles?

I hope you're not investing on a big bang in three years.

The only thing on the roadmap is the iPhone 7.
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This is the troubling spot and something I've been harping on for a long time. Apple doesn't understand ads. Or Maps. Or office (see pages or whatever they call their version). Photos..especially libraries, mgmt, cloud. There's nothing essential from Apple. I like the hardware and OS but that's a hard sale when you have to use primarily 3rd party services (thankfully you can).

Hey let's put 4k video on iphones but provide no real way for users to actually view it on a 4k screen. That's the Apple we have today... It's hard to sell premium hardware with crap software and services.

Yet, I recently bought an ipad. An expensive imac. I'm deep in the apple ecosystem. I like the integration of devices. But it could be better, much better. At least the screens are quality. The one I'm most disappointed in would be the iphone plus as Apple seemed to screw that one up over a year ago with a cheaper standard 1080p screen that constantly has to downscale native resolution.

Where's a 4k or better monitor? Why can't you buy an i7 mac with a desktop graphics card? icloud. Maps. Itunes. Photos. Siri. All this stuff needs a lot of work. Files.app apple. You need it.
 
TallManNY said:
It isn't to get users to buy a new computer every year or two. Nobody is expecting that. But it is to make sure the hardware you have available to sell is as compelling as it can be. Apple is competing against a host of PC manufacturers. It is also competing against its own old machines. By keeping its lineup fresh they can get sales that would otherwise go to PC or they can pull forward refresh and upgrade purchases that would otherwise stand still and limp along for another year or two.

And lets face it, in a company the size of Apple, why can't they find the resources or the business case to upgrade the Mac Mini? Why is this a challenge? The new Intel CPU comes out and it should go into the appropriate Macs. It isn't like the folks doing that are the same folks working on the iPhone.
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I respectfully disagree. When I was in the market for my iMac, I wasn't paying attention to the specs very closely. While I did want to future proof it by selecting more RAM and fastest CPU, I didn't care if it wasn't the latest Intel CPU out on the market. Why? Because I knew that OS X would run beautifully on this machine. I'm guessing most folks buying the Macs are looking at the user experience and aren't concerned too much on specs.

Now is Apple losing Sales to PC vendors due to not updating frequently to the latest hardware? Very doubtful. Folks that are buying PCs are either:

1. Not familiar with OS X so they go with what they know: Windows.
2. On a serious budget trying to get more bang for their buck. Apple products aren't cheap.
3. Gamer or techie that likes to tinker and customize hardware.

Apple's Macs was kinda of a niche product that is currently branching out. Traditional sales went to graphic designers and such. Nowadays, more casual users are buying up Macs due to the iPhone being the gateway device to the ecosystem. That's how they got me. I started with the iPhone and was hooked. The iPhone got me curious about the MacBooks and the rest is history. Just check out my signature.

Walk into an Apple store and just look around at the customers. Ask yourself how many of them shop on NewEgg? Get my point?

And to the last point regarding the Mac Mini, I can't speak to it as I'm not familiar with it. My guess is that Apple is phasing it out kind of like the iPods or they are redesigning them from the ground up like the Apple TV.
 
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They gotta get into the services business.

I think everyone agrees that iPhone was a GIGANTIC hit that ushered in the smartphone era, just like how the Apple II ushered in the era of personal computing. Things like this just doesn't come every by 5, 10 or even 20 years. Doesn't matter if Steve is here or not.

They gotta figure out how to make money from all the iPhones that are out there in people's hands.

I think they are setup to be the BEST company to tackle cloud computing head on. Starting with storage. Imagine your files and photos syncing seamlessly between phone, computer, and tablet. Too bad iCloud is one of the worst piece of garbage software in the industry.
 
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SHNXX said:
I lyk you're theory about Apple cuzing financial crisees.
I guess what I read like housing bubbles and stuffs was all wrong.
You rly seem 2 know what your talking abut.
R u like, an economist btw? Mebbe a hedge fund manager?

U kno like world street is taking all the money from da regula peeps n how 1% haz everything.
We shud rly nationalize all privat companiez like in China 50 yrz ago.
Maybe guillotin all them greedy people like elizabeth warrin say.
Like, did u build the roads? No? Then share ur house n moniez. We sic n tired of this ****.

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Huh, what? All this hiperbold and stuf undaminds ur poynt?
 
pmau said:
The original iPhone
The iPhone 4 with retina display and its design
The MacBook Air
The original iPad

Everything else is not relevant in my opinion.
I left out the iPod because I honestly cannot recall when it came out.
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Everything else is not relavent? My god, I am questioning your credentials a an Apple enthusiast! How long have you been following Apple?!?

I'd like to add:
  • Titanium PowerBook G4. The metallic, off-white accent on it was sexy, real sexy. The bezel around the screen, so small it made the screen truly stunning. It was so good I honestly can't even put it into words!
  • PowerMac G5. First 64-bit desktop computer for the common man/creative professional. Also was the world's "fastest personal computer" for a time. The damn thing had four independently cooled thermal zones inside!
  • iMac G5. 64-bit muscle in a 2" enclosure in 2003. Where did the computer go, indeed.
  • iMac G4. Flat screen came standard! (In '01 or '02, please help me remember you other diehards!)
  • G4 Cube.

The first few models of the Intel MacBook Pros (pre-unibody) weren't really innovative, but the build quality was top notch and just all around high grade. (I think it was the aluminum they were using. Very soft and sleek texture.)

I'd also regard all the colored 1999 Macs as pretty damn innovative. Especially the B&W G3 with that foldout door.

This was the old Apple, the pure Apple. Times were good, real good back then, and remembering all of this... Its hard.

Its hard to look at how things have ended up. The substance has been depleted. And honestly, what remains is mostly in Mac OS.

You can take my word for it, or go find a old copy of MacAddict magazine and find out for yourself.
 
SusanK said:
Item on TC's leadership.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-ceo-tim-cook-acts-like-hes-insane-analyst-says-2016-01-31
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Record breaking quarter after record breaking quarter is my point. These opinion pieces can say what they want, but people have spoken not the 10 or 20 outspoken MR posters, but the hundreds of millions that bought phones starting from the 5s. It's true they "only made" 40B this quarter. But my money is on them.
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SHNXX said:
U hab a pt brah?
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Did you sir?
 
SusanK said:
A CEO who can see beyond yesterday.
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I find that too vague of an answer. It's a nebulous call of dissatisfaction without a path for a real solution.

The line of these complaints want a clone of Steve Jobs...but the next tech visionary who could have an impact of — or perhaps beyond — Steve Jobs may not be born yet. Or toddling around to his or her mother's arms.

I will repeat my question. What current CEO...or even promising VP of some other tech startup, could step into the CEO position of the most successful technology company in human history and advance the company, and perhaps even humanity, further? That is what it appears to me what critics in this thread are asking for.
 
The first few models of the Intel MacBook Pros (pre-unibody) weren't really innovative, but the build quality was top notch and just all around high grade. (I think it was the aluminum they

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PizzaBoxStyle said:
Everything else is not relavent? My god, I am questioning your credentials a an Apple enthusiast! How long have you been following Apple?!?

I'd like to add:
  • Titanium PowerBook G4. The metallic, off-white accent on it was sexy, real sexy. The bezel around the screen, so small it made the screen truly stunning. It was so good I honestly can't even put it into words!
  • PowerMac G5. First 64-bit desktop computer for the common man/creative professional. Also was the world's "fastest personal computer" for a time. The damn thing had four independently cooled thermal zones inside!
  • iMac G5. 64-bit muscle in a 2" enclosure in 2003. Where did the computer go, indeed.
  • iMac G4. Flat screen came standard! (In '01 or '02, please help me remember you other diehards!)
  • G4 Cube.

The first few models of the Intel MacBook Pros (pre-unibody) weren't really innovative, but the build quality was top notch and just all around high grade. (I think it was the aluminum they were using. Very soft and sleek texture.)

I'd also regard all the colored 1999 Macs as pretty damn innovative. Especially the B&W G3 with that foldout door.

This was the old Apple, the pure Apple. Times were good, real good back then, and remembering all of this... Its hard.

Its hard to look at how things have ended up. The substance has been depleted. And honestly, what remains is mostly in Mac OS.

You can take my word for it, or go find a old copy of MacAddict magazine and find out for yourself.
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PizzaBoxStyle, you've been an Apple enthusiast a long time. Me too. I think that's some of the frustration. Apple gear truly was insanely great. So different now. Just electronics, too many bugs.

I have a file cabinet drawer with MacAddict from the premier issue. Good days. :)
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mrhick01 said:
I find that too vague of an answer. It's a nebulous call of dissatisfaction without a path for a real solution.

The line of these complaints want a clone of Steve Jobs...but the next tech visionary who could have an impact of — or perhaps beyond — Steve Jobs may not be born yet. Or toddling around to his or her mother's arms.

I will repeat my question. What current CEO...or even promising VP of some other tech startup, could step into the CEO position of the most successful technology company in human history and advance the company, and perhaps even humanity, further? That is what it appears to me what critics in this thread are asking for.
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Steve is gone unfortunately. Apple must move forward. It's not happening. The products are boring and sometimes annoying. User experience has declined. TC is running the show. Who is responsible if not TC?

Please don't say Jony. He's not the top executive.
 
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MoreAwesomeDanU said:
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They gotta. Imagine your files and photos syncing seamlessly between phone, computer, and tablet. Too bad iCloud is one of the worst piece of garbage software in the industry.
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For photos and videos this is exactly what you get with iCloud Photo Library and it works perfectly for me. Pictures taken on my camera and copied to my MacBook Pro get synced to iCloud and appear on my iPhone and TV. Photos taken on my iPhone do the same and get synced to my MacBook Pro.

I find it works great. iCloud backup and seamless syncing of other services works great. It's the simple Apple integration of software and hardware at the heart of it. I like it.


http://www.apple.com/uk/icloud/photos/
 
dogslobber said:
This is what happens when Steve's todo list runs out. You can't maintain the lead without a visionary in charge. Apple is now a design by committee company. Same as all the other non-entity tech companies. You've had a good ride AAPL!
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I don't entirely agree with you. Steve Jobs would still be debating whether to release a large screen phone.
 
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Brad9893 said:
... it's foolish for Apple to keep treating their Mac customers the way they have.
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Apple's "foolishness" (by your definition) happens to be working great compared to almost all of their competition. Macs have been gradually growing their market share of the PC and laptop market over the past few years. May they stay hungry and "foolish", as per Steve Jobs.
 
The iPhone 7 better be more than the leaks are suggesting, with huge dependency on your one product, people are expecting more than just incremental bumps. Apples main problem is now that Processing power is not an issue, and the US dollar is too strong. Simple your existing iPhone will last a few good years and be very fast, and a replacement is too damn expansive to upgrade regularly
 
SusanK said:
PizzaBoxStyle, you've been an Apple enthusiast a long time. Me too. I think that's some of the frustration. Apple gear truly was insanely great. So different now. Just electronics, too many bugs.

I have a file cabinet drawer with MacAddict from the premier issue. Good days. :)
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I was listening to a somewhat recent episode of Accidental Tech Podcast, and John Siracusa was talking about all of this frustration and griping that's been going on over the last year or so. He presented it as a sort of generational thing, like the idea that there are "generations" of Mac users and that now the after-SJ-returned switcher generation (and probably pre- too... though I was the former) senses things shifting and weakening, but the after-iOS-released generation sees no problem in the direction or trajectory of things. It's an interesting angle, but I agree, it IS different now. Exactly the sentiments I have been slowly coming to terms with myself.

Also: WOW! Knowing that you saved the PREMIER ISSUE of MacAddict... that's pretty awesome and great foresight! MacAddict was the bomb, and I still miss that publication today. It wasn't the same after they re-branded as Mac|Life (not that it was bad), and now even Mac|Life got folded into ... techhive (?) or something like that. I wish I saved at least a few of my issues from back in the day, but I didn't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
maflynn said:
65% of apple's profits are from a single product line - that can be a scary statistic to the wall street folks. The iPhone isn't going anywhere but Apple's success is tied to the iPhone
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People may laugh at Steve Ballmer but he took Microsoft from a company with only two 1 billion dollar products (Windows and Office) to a company with over eight 1 billion dollar products.

Apple has been going in the opposite direction. They are only a one trick pony with the iPhone. If the iPhone becomes a 2010s decade fad, like the iPod was a 2000s decade fad, Apple will be right back at their 2006 size.

(iPod was hugely successful but lacked the sustainability. Sure, it still lives on in the iPhone but how many people still use iTunes or Apple Music? Everyone is about Pandora, Spotify, or some other service.)
 
btrach144 said:
People may laugh at Steve Ballmer but he took Microsoft from a company with only two 1 billion dollar products (Windows and Office) to a company with over eight 1 billion dollar products.

Apple has been going in the opposite direction. They are only a one trick pony with the iPhone. If the iPhone becomes a 2010s decade fad, like the iPod was a 2000s decade fad, Apple will be right back at their 2006 size.

(iPod was hugely successful but lacked the sustainability. Sure, it still lives on in the iPhone but how many people still use iTunes or Apple Music? Everyone is about Pandora, Spotify, or some other service.)
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i don't get it. apple has multiple "1 billion dollar products". what point are you making?
 
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ckhris1613 said:
And this is a big surprise to everyone? When your big event happens and you come out with 1 old/new 4" iPhone it tends to happen. Especially when Samsung is coming out with all the good stuff lately. Apple is behind technology, this is unfortunate.
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No surprise here. Apple's narcissistic mentality clouds their ability to see clearly. Believing their own hype, they were destined to this fate. Once convinced they were invincible, the slap of reality nows stings their face.
 
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For all you people thinking this is A "wake up call" for Apple I have 2 words for u: MacBook 2016.

Don't get ur hopes up
 
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Pelea said:
For all you people thinking this is A "wake up call" for Apple I have 2 words for u: MacBook 2016.

Don't get ur hopes up
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it does seem like when apple just won't give you what you want. new ipad, more expensive, camera bulge, more expensive. new cheap iphone, looks the same as the old iphone. new macbook, looks the same as the old macbook. iphone 7, doesn't look different enough. is it just timmy cook?
 
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