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it honestly sounds like analysts and the VC's who make their livings with stock, were attempting to use their clout to pump up / pump down stock value.

this isn't a new tactic. Anyone with billions, can move the needle on a stock easily by intent alone. for most of us, we see the stock as a needle for company health, but in reality, stock value often has little to do with that, and more to do with how stock traders with enough money can manipulate the market.
I hope Apple keeps gobbling up more shares. All the talk today on CNBC and Bloomberg is China concerns. So analysts were/are concerned about China but upped their iPhone estimates anyway?
 
Has anybody here in this thread touted that metric as a badge of honor? This thread is about company numbers, specifically, the ones announced yesterday, their interpretation (in relation to the health of Apple), and reactions to them.

yes, my original comment was responding directly to someone who said "but Apple makes 92% of the industry profit"

in fact

it was you
 
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Apple missed iphone sales estimates by quite a lot.

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That is just a bunch of Analysts releasing super high numbers in hopes of manipulating the price.
 
yes, my original comment was responding directly to someone who said "but Apple makes 92% of the industry profit"

in fact

it was you
You apparently took my
yes, my original comment was responding directly to someone who said "but Apple makes 92% of the industry profit"

in fact

it was you

No, it was not me. What I said was (in post#238, the one you're referring to):

"One more and very important fact:
- Apple reaps 92% of the profits in the entire smartphone industry."


And that was in response to someone who was posting Apple financial fact metrics. I added to the list as that's an important metric that speaks to the strength of Apples financials. It has nothing at all to do with how good/bad the iPhone is.

So again, who are these people in this thread using that 92% metric as a "badge of honour for owning a specific device."?
 
You apparently took my


No, it was not me. What I said was (in post#238, the one you're referring to):

"One more and very important fact:
- Apple reaps 92% of the profits in the entire smartphone industry."


And that was in response to someone who was posting Apple financial fact metrics. I added to the list as that's an important metric that speaks to the strength of Apples financials. It has nothing at all to do with how good/bad the iPhone is.

So again, who are these people in this thread using that 92% metric as a "badge of honour for owning a specific device."?
Than I misinterpreted your statement and I apologize.
 
I hope Apple keeps gobbling up more shares. All the talk today on CNBC and Bloomberg is China concerns. So analysts were/are concerned about China but upped their iPhone estimates anyway?

The China concerns are for Q4 and beyond.
 
For example, the main competing devices from all Manu's are charging near identical for their flagship devices, but, you seemingly get "more". more features, more hardware, more tech. so yeah, the profits are higher here at Apple, but you're paying essentially a premium in pure profit for the Logo and the "feel" of Apple.

I love Apple products, but when I hear numbers like this, And hear how proud consumers are about it, I wonder if threes not some weird mindset that you don't mind essentially paying a "tax" to Apple just for the pride of saying "Apple makes the most profit!"

You're also paying for iOS. Remember... Apple builds their own software. Thousands of engineers and whatnot.

The other guys must rely on Google to provide an operating system. But once you're one of 100 Android vendors... there's not much separating you from the others. Commoditization and whatnot. They can't charge too much because someone else is selling a very similar product. It's actually quite tough to be an Android vendor.

Apple doesn't have that problem. They make a unique product... iOS phones. But if they charged too much for them... no one would buy them. Clearly that's not the case. Apple just sold 47 million smartphones in 3 months.

You're right... it's silly for a consumer to brag about a company's profits. But hey... people gotta have a hobby. :)
 
The China concerns are for Q4 and beyond.
So there was no China concern for Q3? The 'concern' just starts in Q4? Tim Cook doesn't share the concern btw. But what the heck does he know he's only the CEO.
 
You're also paying for iOS. Remember... Apple builds their own software. Thousands of engineers and whatnot.

The other guys must rely on Google to provide an operating system. But once you're one of 100 Android vendors... there's not much separating you from the others. Commoditization and whatnot. They can't charge too much because someone else is selling a very similar product. It's actually quite tough to be an Android vendor.

Apple doesn't have that problem. They make a unique product... iOS phones. But if they charged too much for them... no one would buy them. Clearly that's not the case. Apple just sold 47 million smartphones in 3 months.

You're right... it's silly for a consumer to brag about a company's profits. But hey... people gotta have a hobby. :)

but iOS is "free". same with "OSx".

there can be perceived values, but when we talk profit, those costs to apple for those two items are already factored. so, those costs are not an additional factor since they're already factored in.

now, i wont argue that to many these have their own intrisic values which might have people willing to pay to support such margins. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. pure "value" is really hard thing to factor because of these intangibles.
 
So there was no China concern for Q3? The 'concern' just starts in Q4? Tim Cook doesn't share the concern btw. But what the heck does he know he's only the CEO.

The concern only realistically popped up after the Chinese stock market crashed in late June that wiped out over 3 trillion dollars of shareholder value.
 
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Thank goodness for the iPhone. 63% of revenue from 1 device? OUCH. :eek:

Better get on it Tim. Without the iPhone and Mac you'd be out of a job. :apple:
Just like without Ford cars Ford would fail as a company, or without search Google would fail as a company. Some strong rationale there.
 
I'd buy a Mac if they put more powerful GPUs in their machines, until then I'm a Windows guy because Intel's stuff sucks and I'm not paying £2000 to get a low to mid range AMD GPU.
 
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That's not true at all. They said, since before the watch even went on sale, that they were intentionally not going to release the numbers for competitive reasons.
So, does this mean Apple earnt more money than these numbers, or are Watch numbers included in them? Are the percentages right, or are they relative to all products except watches?

They must have sold a billion Watches if they want to hide numbers for strategic reasons...
 
The concern only realistically popped up after the Chinese stock market crashed in late June that wiped out over 3 trillion dollars of shareholder value.
And funny how it was China China China for several days and now you turn on CNBC and no one is talking China. It's just earnings beat after beat. Like Amazon being up almost 18% after hours when they're already up over 50% so far this year.
 
I suggest Business 101 with an emphasis on diversity.

Diversity is good for prudent/cautious investors, not for companies. There was a fad for big conglomerates to increase diversification a few decades back. That was mostly a bust that led to decreasing efficiency and lower profitability. So the trend flipped to those conglomerates spinning off component companies so that each one could focus on what they did best.
 
Diversity is good for prudent/cautious investors, not for companies. There was a fad for big conglomerates to increase diversification a few decades back. That was mostly a bust that led to decreasing efficiency and lower profitability. So the trend flipped to those conglomerates spinning off component companies so that each one could focus on what they did best.

Ok, so Apple does One Thing the Best. The iPhone. Sorry, however my comment on diversity was directed toward Apple's Product Line. Not it's intentions to enter the Greek Yogurt, or Soybean Industry. Q2, 63% of revenue , almost 80% of profit from One Thing they Do Best? Not prudent, stable, or confidence inspiring for future diversity in revenue sources. :apple:
 
Apple is finally getting a taste of what analysts do to Samsung

How the heck were they ever going to sell 70 million gs6s when all of apples phones barely broke 50 million.

Just a heads up,Samsung still out sold apple,they just didn't hit there analysts projected numbers and don't have the same margins as apple for pure profits.I think Samsung hit just over 6 billion in pure profits last quarter
 
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