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Apple Reports Q4 2010 Profit of $4.31 Billion on $20.34 Billion Revenue, Best Quarter Ever

jav6454 said:
Why would there be a $20 downturn? Call me stupid or what not, but such strong numbers should be indicative of strong sales and henceforth would make it obvious to buy more Stock.
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You can pretty well predict this, and join the fun if you want, but its a gamble.
AAPL generally rises as earnings report approaches (as it did last week), then tanks from the after-hours traders trying to sell at the 'high'. That drives prices down in the after-hours market, but doesn't necessarily tell you what it will open at tomorrow, which is the real number to watch.
If you have guts, you can make a tidy sum by selling the day before earnings and buying back in a few weeks later. But you can also get sideswiped just as easily. Not a game for the feint hearted.

Bottom line is that it doesn't mean anything for those holding long.
 
Early on there was a user poll I participated in where we were asked to estimate how many iPads Apple would sell in 2010. I estimated 7 million. Looks like I was way off. They have already sold more than that and only recently got their production ramped up for the holidays. My guess is they will sell 6 or 7 million or more this quarter and over 15 million iPhones, and a bunch more iPod touches since the new one just arrived. Macs will top 4 million. Next report will be a killer quarter. This is simply amazing.
 
Bregalad said:
Steve Jobs - "TwitterDeck" (probably TweetDeck) revealed that it had to contend with over 100 different versions of Android in developing its app. Compare to Apple with two different versions.

That's a load of crap Steve. In order to ship an app for iPhone it must be tested on three three different types of hardware, three different screen resolutions and in both multitasking and non-multitasking environments. In order to maximize sales it needs to be compatible with iOS 3.x and 4.x including 4.2 betas.

Sure Android is worse, but such extreme exaggeration won't help you win any arguments.
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First, since he said iPhone, not a universal (iPhone/iPad) app, that's only two resolutions, and since the iPhone will take care of the scaling, you really only have to develop for one, though testing on both is best. You only have to aim for the multi-tasking environment now, because the current and previous generations both support it, and since iOS 4.x is a free upgrade, you don't really have to support 3.x and below. Also no need to support beta versions, although of course you should be future-proofing by being ready for new versions when they come out. It's really not an extreme exaggeration, unlike your post which blows the testing strategy unnecessarily out of proportion. It also doesn't really affect the point he was making at all.

Steve Jobs - - Commenting on avalanche of tablets heading to market. Just a handful of credible entrants. Almost all use 7" screen, compared to iPad at nearly 10" screen. 7" screen is only 45% as large as iPad's screen. Hold an iPad in portrait view and draw a horizontal line halfway down. What's left is a 7" screen...too small. There are clear limits to how close elements can be on the screen before users can't touch accurately. We believe 10-inch screen is minimum necessary.

So elements aren't too small on a 3.5" screen?
So a device that's so big it needs its own bag is truly go-everywhere portable?

I think you're blowing smoke, but in case you truly believe that there's no gaping hole in your lineup between 3.5" and 9.7" then I've purchased my last iOS device.
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Farewell.

jW
 
Bregalad said:
Steve Jobs - "TwitterDeck" (probably TweetDeck) revealed that it had to contend with over 100 different versions of Android in developing its app. Compare to Apple with two different versions.

That's a load of crap Steve. In order to ship an app for iPhone it must be tested on three three different types of hardware, three different screen resolutions and in both multitasking and non-multitasking environments. In order to maximize sales it needs to be compatible with iOS 3.x and 4.x including 4.2 betas.

Sure Android is worse, but such extreme exaggeration won't help you win any arguments.

Steve Jobs - - Commenting on avalanche of tablets heading to market. Just a handful of credible entrants. Almost all use 7" screen, compared to iPad at nearly 10" screen. 7" screen is only 45% as large as iPad's screen. Hold an iPad in portrait view and draw a horizontal line halfway down. What's left is a 7" screen...too small. There are clear limits to how close elements can be on the screen before users can't touch accurately. We believe 10-inch screen is minimum necessary.

So elements aren't too small on a 3.5" screen?
So a device that's so big it needs its own bag is truly go-everywhere portable?

I think you're blowing smoke, but in case you truly believe that there's no gaping hole in your lineup between 3.5" and 9.7" then I've purchased my last iOS device.
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7 Inches is way to small for the same price as an IPAD. Show me a 7inch android tablet that is cheaper than the $499 Ipad with the 9.7 inche screen?

The Android store sucks really bad...everybody knows that. Android is very fragmented...a new android phone comes out every month that is better than what was out there last month...All google has to do is fix their store and work the manufacturers to introduce less new phones per year..and they just might win.
 
Unspeaked said:
Fact remains: Apple missed estimates (estimates made up by know-nothings living in their parents basements playing XBox 360 and drinking Mountain Dew in between blogging, according to you) and we're looking at... yes, that's right, back under $300 a share after hours.
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Oh give me a break. They blew past revenue predictions by a billion and a half. iPhone projections by around two million and EPS by 60 cents. iPad numbers were constrained by supply.

Hey I like a troll just as much as anybody else but it's recommended you have some ammunition to back you up before you try.
 
Unspeaked said:
Troll? Please. Maybe you're a teenager and don't realize how wall street works, but there's these people called analysts whose job it is to use a publicly traded company's past earnings and future guidance to put together projections and decide for themselves and their clients whether or not a stock should be bought or sold.

Apple did very well on all these projections except for the iPad sales which came below the estimates these knowledgable folks put together before today's earnings announcement.

It's not like I'm pulling numbers out of thin air. This is how the system works. If you were right and I was wrong, the stock would not be trading down on this news. I'm not saying Apple isn't a good buy nor that it won't recover (maybe as soon as tomorrow - heck, maybe as soon as this AH session) but to imply I'm trolling simply because I point out something that Apple didn't do perfectly is more ignorant than some of the garbage spewed the fanboys in the iPhone forums.
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Analysts have been upping the iPad sales rate since the iPad was announced. They were as a group very wrong then when they were low and their estimates preceding the end of quarter ended high. BFD.

So, Apple is imperfect because they can't grow the iPad market as fast as demand because of supply constraints, or demand has softened and there is too much stock in the supply chain.

Which do you think?

My guess is that the market is far from saturated and it is supply constraints, and to a lesser extent lack of wide retail sales venues that has impacted sales, both of which have and are being addressed.
 
Tim Cook said it all: Apple doesn't need to create two different lines for corporate and personal users...just the opposite from what almost brought the company down in the late 90s.
 
MCIowaRulz said:
I still say that Apple should grab Adobe systems seeing how they can afford it
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Why? What is it that Adobe have that Apple could possibly want? Flash is getting increasingly marginalised, their Creative Suite programs are progressing at a glacial rate and becoming increasingly feature bloated and unuseable. Photoshop hasn't progressed in any meaningful way for a decade.
 
so what jobs says about the ios market, about there is only one device you need to test your product on, does that mean there won't be apple tv apps?
 
Only 14.1 million iPhones? Ouch.

Around 23 Million Android devices have been sold in Q3 according to the latest GfK numbers. Jobs now counts all iOS devices for their activation rate to compete with Google. Apple activated 275k iOS devices per day (which includes phones AND iPods AND iPads) while Google activates around 225k-250k Android *phones* alone per day. Seems Apple has really a hard time to compete with Android currently.
 
Mattsasa said:
so what jobs says about the ios market, about there is only one device you need to test your product on, does that mean there won't be apple tv apps?
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i think he was just trying to prove a point.. it doesnt have anything to do with apple tv imo
 
Fragmentation of Android...

A friend of mine is programming an Android game and detailed the issues he has to deal with while developing for that platform.

He chose to develop for Android due to the lack of Mac hardware availability.

He told of the story of developing Android software and the problems. He predicted, now after seeing the beast from the inside, that Android will likely die from it's own weight.

The wide number of devices and capabilities is starting to weigh down the requirements that programmers must be aware of as possibilities that the device that the user wants to run the software on *may* have.

This is the reason why I am somewhat happy that Apple hasn't opened their operating systems (Mac OS X and iOS) to run on third party hardware.

Being the only producer of hardware that will run the operating system and being the 'lifeguard' for the iPhone App Store does piss people off but the trade off is that for developers, the hardware is known and for customers, the experience is much more uniform and stable.

Android will have to 'grow up' and start dictating what hardware they will accept but the 'cat is out of the bag' and it's too late to fix it...

Android will die, eventually. Wait for the first disastrous virus that bricks them...
 
zacman said:
Only 14.1 million iPhones? Ouch.

Around 23 Million Android devices have been sold in Q3 according to the latest GfK numbers. Jobs now counts all iOS devices for their activation rate to compete with Google. Apple activated 275k iOS devices per day (which includes phones AND iPods AND iPads) while Google activates around 225k-250k Android *phones* alone per day. Seems Apple has really a hard time to compete with Android currently.
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because apple can not manufacture enough phones.

and andoid is blossoming an verizons network and iphone is suffering through at&t.

and comparing ios devices to android devices, is like comparing all the pc's sold from any manufacturer, to the amount of macs sold
 
napabar said:
Fact, Apple missed no estimates, and exceeded their own guidence by 2 billion.
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Apple DID miss an estimate: the analysts' estimates for iPad sales. these analysts aren't just "anybody with a blog": they're trained professionals who rose at their respective companies based on their performance. At those companies they collectively influence billions of dollars of trades in AAPL based on their analyses of what can be expected from the company. Their beliefs shaped the stock's price last quarter, and last month, and last week, and yesterday. How they modify their expectations based on today's information--good and bad--will help shape the stock's price tomorrow. It's how performance compared to their estimates, not apple's, that matter in this case.

Your suggestions that UnSpeaked is trolling and should be banned are simply silly and reflect badly on you.
 
zacman said:
Only 14.1 million iPhones? Ouch.

Around 23 Million Android devices have been sold in Q3 according to the latest GfK numbers. Jobs now counts all iOS devices for their activation rate to compete with Google. Apple activated 275k iOS devices per day (which includes phones AND iPods AND iPads) while Google activates around 225k-250k Android *phones* alone per day. Seems Apple has really a hard time to compete with Android currently.
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Only if you only look at market share. Apple is killing all other phone manufacturers in profit, and if you ask me, that's really where the money is
 
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Surprised no one asked about the white iPhone

My $$$ is ready
 
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