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Anyone else notice that Macs account for 15% of sales? Apple is not even close to being a computer company any more. Even if you throw in the 17% for iPads computers are only 32%, or 1/3 of revenue.

On the other hand, there have been reports that Apple makes 45% of all profits in the PC market.
 
This would have never happened if Steve Jo-- um... wait a minute.

I wonder if investors and people working in the financial sectors ever turn to analysts at this point and demand answers for their idiocy. I'm pretty sure most of them were declaring Apple "over with" earlier this year and said Apple's success would never continue without Steve. :rolleyes:
 
This would have never happened if Steve Jo-- um... wait a minute.

I wonder if investors and people working in the financial sectors ever turn to analysts at this point and demand answers for their idiocy. I'm pretty sure most of them were declaring Apple "over with" earlier this year and said Apple's success would never continue without Steve. :rolleyes:

I don't follow. Apple reported three consecutive quarters of declining YoY earnings (a skid they fortunately arrested this quarter). So who's fault was that, the idiot analysts? Their consensus was a whole 3% low this quarter. Are they still idiots?

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The holiday numbers are going to blow the doors off Wall Street.

Guaranteed, or our money back?
 
I don't follow. Apple reported three consecutive quarters of declining YoY earnings (a skid they fortunately arrested this quarter). So who's fault was that, the idiot analysts? Their consensus was a whole 3% low this quarter. Are they still idiots?

Yes, most of them are still idiots. You and I could split hairs all day long about whether Apple's report today is good or bad news, but the fact is that many (if not most) analysts and market watchers predicted a sharp decline for Apple this year which doesn't appear to be happening.
 
Yes, most of them are still idiots. You and I could split hairs all day long about whether Apple's report today is good or bad news, but the fact is that many (if not most) analysts and market watchers predicted a sharp decline for Apple this year which doesn't appear to be happening.

The sharp decline already happened, as in the past tense. Apple suffered three quarters of declining YoY earnings prior to this one. No need to split hairs on the quality of this quarter's earnings. It was pretty close to what the "idiots" expected and a definite step in the right direction for earnings.
 
So why is Apple down 2% after hours?

You are applying logic to financial analysts that wouldn't be able to survive in any field other than the make believe world they live in.


I'm serious, put any of those mouth breathers on a farm, in a factory, or working at an office that isn't about pulling ideas out of their rear ends and they'd be starved out corpses in the ditch inside of a week.
 
why stock are down?

Investors dont believe that apple can grow anymore without introdcuing a new product

Apple hasnt introduced a new product for a year and a half

you do the math.
 
Even though they did slightly better than par over last year, they've lost more sales during the entire year. Their lack of sales is due to not having any new mainstream product available over the course of the previous 3 quarters. Apple needed to exceed the earnings call by at least 40% in order for things to be positive with the company. In terms of growth over the past year, they've lost market share and revenues. Supposedly they've reached the point of saturation in the phone market but they could have done more with the tablet market as well as with the rest of the product they should have been releasing. This probably marks the beginning of a shift in Apple's market segmentation so I think they might be restructuring to not really be a technology company anymore. I'm hoping holiday sales are going to be strong because otherwise, there's going to be another drop in January.
 
Big jump in the importance of iTunes Store sales to that revenue pie. I hope they realise that and start increasing the capacity of their iOS devices next year.
 
The rage of vocal Google fans is perplexing.

Maybe deep down they realize they're being used?

64-bit A7! 128GB Storage! 1GB RAM? Why not a 2GB option? I would gladly pay $50 for the option of 2GB of RAM. Helps when switching apps or Safari tabs.
 
I think it's Apple's own fault the iPod line is dying. The iPod Nano and iPod Touch haven't been updated for 2013, the iPod Classic is the same from 2009, and the iPod Shuffle is a $49 music player that nobody wants to buy.

They could easily reinnovate the whole line up, and bring some excitement back to the iPod. The watch-like Nano was very exciting for so many people, with customizable clocks and so many 3rd party watch accessories; the clip had endless possibilities, unlike the new Nano which has limited capabilities plus no one is going to watch video on a 2.4" screen. They could've introduced new size screens to the iPod Touch like a 5" or even a 6" iPod Touch that is perfect for consuming media in 16:9, because the iPod Touch doesn't need to be a one-handed device like the iPhone. For the love of God, Apple, please update the iPod Classic; updated design, 128GB or 256GB SSD storage, because there is still a market out there for people who still demand big portable storage for their music. Apple can do so many things with its iPods, but they're just lazy to do anything about it.

Don't blame the market for the lack of interest in iPod. Apple has clearly shown to their consumers that they don't care about its music devices anymore. Yes, the world has shifted for integrated devices with music and streaming services, but there is still a world for people who want cool NEW iPods and massive storage.
 
I saw the stock in the after-hours tank down then spike up then settle around what it was at the close. I'm wondering what the analysts' expectations were for sales, revenue, etc. I know they beat earnings expectations.

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On the other hand, there have been reports that Apple makes 45% of all profits in the PC market.

Totally believable. They have low numbers but much higher margins since they're not selling commodity, competitive PCs like Dell, HP, etc.

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Actually the TRUE investors, those who have the power to move the stock price care a lot about market share! Only the so called "investors" who post on this blog think that investing is about making money right now.

Investing is about making money and, if it counts, gaining experience.
 
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