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Sweet. This ought to give me an extra decade to save up for an Apple Car.

In all seriousness though, is this surprising? Apple has completely given up their massive lead in AI circa 2011 to chase iPhone profits that are now on the decline. Show of hands: Who in the forums would let Siri drive them somewhere? That’s what I thought. The look of horror on all of your faces right now speaks volumes. It’s going to be a very long time.

I think the only way they will catch up is with killer hardware—aka a sweet ride—that has a lot of creature comforts and tech packed in. Apple should just buy Tesla and a few smaller self driving startups and give this project a kick in the rear. Google was smart to form Alphabet so that they can have all these different companies that can share technology and operate somewhat independently.

I doubt they’ll even sell cars. Probably just compete with Uber or something.
 
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As a professional engineer in a different field, another factor that could be at play: the tolerance of the system to disengage will be different in each product.

Haters love to hate.
 
I doubt they’ll even sell cars. Probably just compete with Uber or something.
Yeah, they do seem to be all about services and have a stake in some Chinese version of Uber. So boring.
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As a professional engineer in a different field, another factor that could be at play: the tolerance of the system to disengage will be different in each product.

Haters love to hate.
I wondered that too. Apple is likely more cautious than other companies. But still, dead last is dead last. Maybe they’re trying to throw everyone off with their filings since they have to be public anyway, lol. Would they be penalized if it came out that they are safer than their filings report? I doubt it.
 
Apple almost always chooses to do things in insanely challenging ways. I willing to bet the complexity of these miles is way higher than the miles traveled by the other companies on this list.

It’s sitting below Honda and Mercedes Benz. That’s interesting company to keep—two of the best car companies on the planet. One would think either two things: the two safest companies on the planet are terrible at evolving their own products, or are developing the most iron-clad autonomous system based on route complexity.

IMO, there’s way mo’ to this story than we’re being told.

Yes, just FYI, we do not have the full report yet. Just the info this site managed to snag. I guess the reports were briefly available and taken down? But will be re-uploaded later this week, so we'll certainly add more detail when it's available. I suspect Apple will provide some color as to why these numbers are what they are.
 
This failure and that of Siri underscores how weak Apple is in machine learning. While Google and FB garnered some of the best talent, Apple went to the charlatans.

Expertise in ML is key to a tech company's future and Apple has lost that future.

Yeah they're a hardware and ecosystem player, but I don't think they have as much going for them as Amazon or Google tbh. FB is a bit different as they're media; but at any time they could dive deep into AI and do all kinds of crazy things. We'll likely be seeing it soon, as long as they can keep the business afloat.
 
AirPower? I have been using Qi wireless charger with my iPhone X for a good while. What is taking them so long to deliver AirPower and what is perfection there. It will be interesting to see what more added value I get Mar 22nd, I guess. Unless I missed your sarcasm ;-)
You missed it..
 
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All the people here talking about this chart using terms like "X is 17 times better than Y" dont understand the actual implications here.
Waymos' 0,09 disengagements per 1000 miles compared to GM Cruises' 0,19 is a HUGE difference. To get from 0,19 to 0,09 is where the experience and the all the money lies.
AI wise, Apple simply is in the stone age compared to its competitors.
 
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I think what is really scary is BMW & Mercedes were not far off and they are actually in the car business.... sad..really sad!!

Yeah I thought this list was weird, wonder why GM is so far ahead of about every other auto company. You’d think they would be worried about competing in the future when automated driving goes mainstream.
 
The car market isn’t for Apple. Stop wasting your time and resources and focus on the products that you actually sell and are rotting away. Bring back products that actually relate to the company; routers, monitors.
 
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Such a weirdly specific news item. Where exactly is Waymo driving those cars? Actual highways or testing parks of some sort. 11000 miles per disengagement is stupendous if it is in real life situations. Didn't realize humanity had reached there.
 
Apple needs to stick to the knitting … a car company I am a private pilot on the side and hold a few ratings VFR, IRF, complex, multi-engine, and I can tell you from experience, creating an fully autonomous commercial grade auto pilot (which have existed for decades) to takeoff, fly a complex cross country pattern, make final, flair, land, rollout and stop at the end of a runway is far less complicated than creating a self driving car. I think Apple is a brilliantly creative company with many talented engineers, but I think too many have underestimated the complexity of a 100% self driving car to fully replace a human (all conditions like intense rain, mud, snow, extremely narrow streets, complex in-city driving like downtown San Francisco, etc.)
Actually, you are either missing or covering up the point, Apple obviously underestimated it more than every other company. Nice try, albeit very weak.
 
The distance between the top and bottom of the range on this seems really out of whack and highly unlikely. I'm betting each of these companies is using a different set of metrics to measure disengagements and Google is underreporting.


Apple needs to stick to the knitting … a car company :rolleyes:

I am a private pilot on the side and hold a few ratings VFR, IRF, complex, multi-engine, and I can tell you from experience, creating an fully autonomous commercial grade auto pilot (which have existed for decades) to takeoff, fly a complex cross country pattern, make final, flair, land, rollout and stop at the end of a runway is far less complicated than creating a self driving car.

I think Apple is a brilliantly creative company with many talented engineers, but I think too many have underestimated the complexity of a 100% self driving car to fully replace a human (all conditions like intense rain, mud, snow, extremely narrow streets, complex in-city driving like downtown San Francisco, etc.)

You have impressive professional credentials, no doubt, but I think Apple has shown time and time again that they know what they're doing. Making such a sweeping judgment against Apple for a product that is not in public use based on data that doesn't appear to be based on any standard for measuring says more about your own biases than anything Apple is doing.
 
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Dang kinda skewed to not have Tesla on there.
Will be interesting to see when the 2018 data goes back up at
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testing.

The short answer is Tesla doesn't have a self driving car of that capacity.

If this answer confuses you, its because you fell for a businesses advertising/marketing.
Bingo.

Feel free to look at the Tesla disengagements vs. Google/Waymo for the other years. :p
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2017
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2016
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2015

For those lacking context, one can read up at https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testing until the 2018 data goes back up.
 
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