I doubt they’ll even sell cars. Probably just compete with Uber or something.
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Apple Reports Self-Driving Car Disengagements to DMV, Earns Worst Rank
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I doubt they’ll even sell cars. Probably just compete with Uber or something.
No, not really. AFAIK, all the AI-driving combined hasn't reached the level where there should be even 1 death, statistically, compared to human drivers, and they've (AI) already racked up several.
As a professional engineer in a different field, another factor that could be at play: the tolerance of the system to disengage will be different in each product.
Haters love to hate.
Haters love to hate.
Yeah, they do seem to be all about services and have a stake in some Chinese version of Uber. So boring.
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I wondered that too. Apple is likely more cautious than other companies. But still, dead last is dead last. Maybe they’re trying to throw everyone off with their filings since they have to be public anyway, lol. Would they be penalized if it came out that they are safer than their filings report? I doubt it.
Marc, which Apple chapter do you think is more illustrious and inspiring? The Jobs era Apple, or the post–Jobs Apple?
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Apple almost always chooses to do things in insanely challenging ways. I willing to bet the complexity of these miles is way higher than the miles traveled by the other companies on this list.
It’s sitting below Honda and Mercedes Benz. That’s interesting company to keep—two of the best car companies on the planet. One would think either two things: the two safest companies on the planet are terrible at evolving their own products, or are developing the most iron-clad autonomous system based on route complexity.
IMO, there’s way mo’ to this story than we’re being told.
It’s sitting below Honda and Mercedes Benz. That’s interesting company to keep—two of the best car companies on the planet. One would think either two things: the two safest companies on the planet are terrible at evolving their own products, or are developing the most iron-clad autonomous system based on route complexity.
IMO, there’s way mo’ to this story than we’re being told.
“You’re driving it wrong”
Oh well, if the car hits something/someone, will it be covered by AppleCare+ ?
Oh well, if the car hits something/someone, will it be covered by AppleCare+ ?
Yeah they're a hardware and ecosystem player, but I don't think they have as much going for them as Amazon or Google tbh. FB is a bit different as they're media; but at any time they could dive deep into AI and do all kinds of crazy things. We'll likely be seeing it soon, as long as they can keep the business afloat.
Apple is probably using a T2 chip in the car and are getting bridgeOS errors.
All the people here talking about this chart using terms like "X is 17 times better than Y" dont understand the actual implications here.
Waymos' 0,09 disengagements per 1000 miles compared to GM Cruises' 0,19 is a HUGE difference. To get from 0,19 to 0,09 is where the experience and the all the money lies.
AI wise, Apple simply is in the stone age compared to its competitors.
Waymos' 0,09 disengagements per 1000 miles compared to GM Cruises' 0,19 is a HUGE difference. To get from 0,19 to 0,09 is where the experience and the all the money lies.
AI wise, Apple simply is in the stone age compared to its competitors.
Yeah I thought this list was weird, wonder why GM is so far ahead of about every other auto company. You’d think they would be worried about competing in the future when automated driving goes mainstream.
[Unnamed] Apple Senior Executives commented, after the public, 2018 report on self-driving manned interventions:
"AI tailblazers, not trailblazers."
"No way to go but up!"
"Can't disengage my ass!"
"No way to go but up!"
"Can't disengage my ass!"
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Such a weirdly specific news item. Where exactly is Waymo driving those cars? Actual highways or testing parks of some sort. 11000 miles per disengagement is stupendous if it is in real life situations. Didn't realize humanity had reached there.
Actually, you are either missing or covering up the point, Apple obviously underestimated it more than every other company. Nice try, albeit very weak.
The distance between the top and bottom of the range on this seems really out of whack and highly unlikely. I'm betting each of these companies is using a different set of metrics to measure disengagements and Google is underreporting.
You have impressive professional credentials, no doubt, but I think Apple has shown time and time again that they know what they're doing. Making such a sweeping judgment against Apple for a product that is not in public use based on data that doesn't appear to be based on any standard for measuring says more about your own biases than anything Apple is doing.
Apple needs to stick to the knitting … a car company
I am a private pilot on the side and hold a few ratings VFR, IRF, complex, multi-engine, and I can tell you from experience, creating an fully autonomous commercial grade auto pilot (which have existed for decades) to takeoff, fly a complex cross country pattern, make final, flair, land, rollout and stop at the end of a runway is far less complicated than creating a self driving car.
I think Apple is a brilliantly creative company with many talented engineers, but I think too many have underestimated the complexity of a 100% self driving car to fully replace a human (all conditions like intense rain, mud, snow, extremely narrow streets, complex in-city driving like downtown San Francisco, etc.)
You have impressive professional credentials, no doubt, but I think Apple has shown time and time again that they know what they're doing. Making such a sweeping judgment against Apple for a product that is not in public use based on data that doesn't appear to be based on any standard for measuring says more about your own biases than anything Apple is doing.
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Will be interesting to see when the 2018 data goes back up at
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testing.
Bingo.
Feel free to look at the Tesla disengagements vs. Google/Waymo for the other years.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2017
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2016
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/disengagement_report_2015
For those lacking context, one can read up at https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/autonomous/testing until the 2018 data goes back up.