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I like how you made up your own scenario in order to attack Apple when the actual headline states that Apple was forcing WFH employees to have cameras monitoring them. You're so off base but I'm not surprised. Some are working so hard to on their anti-Apple campaign. "Paying the contractor supports these activities." LMAO. That's a huge stretch.
No I read and understood the article, I’m afraid I haven’t made anything up. I like how you don’t seem to want to abide by the evidence portrayed in front of you in this article and instead twist it to make Apple appear innocent. Which to do so is to ignore the word ‘audit’ in the report.
 
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No, I understand trust via the definition “acceptance without evidence or investigation”. And there’s no company that, from day 1, accepts without evidence. I mean, they don’t even accept, without evidence, that the ID number you provide to get hired. They photocopy the ID and check it against systems to verify.

BUT, I understand you’re not talking about trust the noun, but trust the verb meaning have faith or confidence in. And, any company that doesn’t have faith or confidence in an employee WILL let them go. And, they will retain the ones they DO have faith and confidence in. That doesn’t change the fact, though, that a company continues to require evidence for many things employees, even the ones they have faith in, do.

I'm speaking of both forms. Companies perform background checks, follow up with references and other forms to verify the evidence that someone is trustworthy.

Companies can then form a basis for trust based on the ongoing relationship between employer and employee. None of this requires spying on the employee like the type mentioned in this article. Some companies do this because they are rubbish and enjoy being controlling, these are not companies that human being should work for but sadly many have little choice.
 
Lot's of slackers posting hate on Apple. We all know that the reason companies do this is to keep people from cheating. Even my college age kids that did online classes during covid had an AI monitor them during tests, via camera during the test so that they couldn't cheat. Like tracking their eye movement screen monitoring, audio, etc. This is no different. If a company is paying you to work, even from home, they should be able to verify that you're doing the work.
 
Working from home was already the trade off. It’s not like Apple increased their pay or offered to cover rent or mortgage. Work from home was FOR Apple’s benefit because it allowed the to operate during the pandemic and to conduct business without needing offices all over the world. Apple already benefited by people working from home. They really aught to be more flexible and accommodating to their employees.
And the employee was still employed and paid in full. Not to mention saving commuting costs, etc. It's not solely for Apple's benefit, both parties gained from the arrangement.

it can be debated as to who benefited more, sure. But it is not so one-sided as some here are suggesting.

I have been in the exact same situation as many Apple employees, my company shifted to teleworking and employees who were able to telework had no reduction in pay for this entire time. I am very grateful for that. I do not feel that my employee was the only one who benefited.
 
You're still missing the point entirely. Please go back and read what I wrote.
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“The hilarious part of the comments here is how there are so many screaming "you didn't read the article, it isn't Apple!".

The fact of the matter is Apple supports this, because they use these contract services and are aware of what is going on.”
Well, it’s not currently being done, is only planned to be done AND Apple has stated their position against it for any work done for them. So, if it ever happens, THEN it can be said that the fact is that Apple supports it. As of now, it’s not the truth.

"Apple doesn't mine materials used in their devices, why should they care of child labor is used? It isn't Apple!" is essentially the argument you're making. But Apple is VERY clear on what they expect of their suppliers and calls this practice out in a large way. You can't have it both ways.
Apple has also mentioned here that they’re VERY clear on what they expect of Teleperformance and has called this out. There is no “both ways”, it’s the same action in both cases (even though one is not even being done yet).
 
And the employee was still employed and paid in full. Not to mention saving commuting costs, etc. It's not solely for Apple's benefit, both parties gained from the arrangement.

it can be debated as to who benefited more, sure. But it is not so one-sided as some here are suggesting.

I have been in the exact same situation as many Apple employees, my company shifted to teleworking and employees who were able to telework had no reduction in pay for this entire time. I am very grateful for that. I do not feel that my employee was the only one who benefited.
The company could have paid employees for a year off. That would be one-sided for the employee. They could have paid for mortgages to cover the home office they expected people to have. That would have been still benefiting the employer, but less one-sided.

Keeping your job in exchange for working from home was one-sided for the employer. Because the idea is the employee shouldn't have to change anything about their private home as a condition of their employment.
 
When will someone have the guts to take Apple to court over all this privacy mess?
 
No I read and understood the article, I’m afraid I haven’t made anything up. I like how you don’t seem to want to abide by the evidence portrayed in front of you in this article and instead twist it to make Apple appear innocent. Which to do so is to ignore the word ‘audit’ in the report.
And exactly how is Apple NOT innocent? I'd love to hear your response. Was Apple the one telling their WFH employees that cameras are required in your home to watch your every move? NO. Did Apple tell the supplier to mistreat their employees? NO. Apple cannot force any supplier to treat their employees the "Apple way". And using a supplier doesn't not mean they support the supplier's employment rules. If that is what you're saying then YOU are twisting things.
 
Human beings becoming commodities.. Hey it's ok if it's in a poor/developing country amirite guys!? As long as it's not in shiny America, "land of the free"... Hey... Don't you enjoy your shiny new iPhone you buy every year??!! Surely no one was dehumanized for it, nope!

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This is sick.

Sadly the first world country customers have long ago given up caring about externalities of our consumption.
 
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Lot's of slackers posting hate on Apple. We all know that the reason companies do this is to keep people from cheating. Even my college age kids that did online classes during covid had an AI monitor them during tests, via camera during the test so that they couldn't cheat. Like tracking their eye movement screen monitoring, audio, etc. This is no different. If a company is paying you to work, even from home, they should be able to verify that you're doing the work.

Sheesh..you sound like a jail warden.
 
Keeping your job in exchange for working from home was one-sided for the employer. Because the idea is the employee shouldn't have to change anything about their private home as a condition of their employment.

I don't see it that way, but you have your opinion and I have mine.

In my own personal situation, I was not required to change anything about my private home in order to telework. Other companies may have handled it differently.

The issue under discussion here (the initial issue, anyway) had to do with privacy. I did not make any concessions with respect to privacy, in order to telework.
 
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I'm speaking of both forms. Companies perform background checks, follow up with references and other forms to verify the evidence that someone is trustworthy.

Companies can then form a basis for trust based on the ongoing relationship between employer and employee. None of this requires spying on the employee like the type mentioned in this article. Some companies do this because they are rubbish and enjoy being controlling, these are not companies that human being should work for but sadly many have little choice.
So, we’re in agreement that employers don’t blindly trust every employee, they initially perform background checks, follow up with references and other forms to verify the evidence that someone CAN be trusted. Over time, they continue to build on this trust via other checks and processes (were they in the office when they said, did they finish that task on time and to the correct level of accuracy, hopefully NOT videoing their every move). This helps to build the faith that the employer has in the employee, but any good employer will never stop verifying, no matter how much faith they have in the employee.
 
And exactly how is Apple NOT innocent?

Ive stated why multiple times now, I‘m not repeating myself anymore as you clearly want to ignore the evidence and this report, and anything myself or anyone posts highlighting how they aren’t innocent.
 
Apple really WANTS to disappear itself into obscurity and niche, I guess. None of that **** is any of their business other than “are the workers doing their jobs satisfactory”.
 
Read the article.

“A spokesperson for Apple, Nick Leahy, said that the company "prohibits the use of video or photographic monitoring by our suppliers and have confirmed Teleperformance does not use video monitoring for any of their teams working with Apple."
Slavery has been outlawed in the US since 1865 or so, which doesn’t seem to stop American companies from using slave labor abroad, while presenting itself as super woke to an American audience.
 
The fact that Apple outsourced its contact center to Columbia explains a lot about my most recent few interactions with that department.
You’re telling me a trillion dollar company can’t afford to employ workers in the country it is headquartered in?
Between this and that CASM dumpster fire, what is up with Apple lately? Tim has straight up lost his mind.
 
Man in one week Apple has gone from the kings of privacy to the ultimate creepers.
did you read the part where this was not requested by Apple and Apple's contract specifically forbids this type of practice? What, no? Oopsie. Seriously, this contractor needs to pull the contracts and offer Apple compliant language in its contracts, or be discontinued. Now amazon, watch out for those guys
 
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