I love Facebook pretending this all about their concern for small businesses. What a joke. They‘re pissing and moaning that Apple’s users are now notified Facebook is tracking you for their profit, not the small businesses, and we can opt out.
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Apple Responds to Facebook's Anti-Tracking Criticism, Says Users Deserve Control and Transparency
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Are you talking about sharing an album with people outsider of family via a share link? I don’t use photos outside of personal use so, I am at a loss.
Just microwaved some popcorn because the show is about to start....
Not gonna lie Facebook and other social media has been a bane on society. I’d be perfectly happy with Facebook and Twitter dying off.
This is a no-brainer. I do use Facebook, but the instant this option is turned on, I’ll be opting out of all tracking and targeted advertising. Thanks, Apple. There are lots of things that Apple does with iOS that bug the hell out of me, but this ain’t one of them.
You could just not use FB or anything like it. I don't even blame Facebook much for what they do when people are happily using it. It's up to us.
My complaint is the word ASK. Replace that with TELL or, better, yet DEMAND app not to track.
Is it ironic that as I read this story there is an ad for Swarovski crystal in the top right of the MacRumors page? I have never been on a Swarovski website, or said Swarovski to Siri...but I bought a Swarovski crystal bracelet for My mother-in-law the other day...with my Apple Card! Who is selling my information now?![]()
Apple has responded to Facebook's criticism over an upcoming iOS 14 privacy measure — specifically a change that will require users to grant permission for their activity to be tracked for personalized advertising purposes starting early next year.
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In a statement provided to MacRumors, Apple said "we believe that this is a simple matter of standing up for our users," adding that "users should know when their data is being collected and shared across other apps and websites — and they should have the choice to allow that or not." The options to allow or deny the tracking will be presented in the form of a prompt that appears as necessary when users open apps.
Apple's full statement:As part of its response to Facebook, Apple emphasized that it welcomes in-app advertising and is not prohibiting tracking, but simply requiring apps to obtain explicit user consent in order to track users for personalized advertising purposes, providing users with more control and transparency. Apple said tracking can be invasive, and as a result, it believes users have the right to make choices about the permissions they grant to apps.
Apple also highlighted the fact that developers like Facebook will be able to edit a section of the text that appears in the prompt to explain why users should allow tracking, and it provided a screenshot to visualize this.
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In the Settings app, users can view which apps have requested permission to track for advertising purposes, and make changes as they see fit. Apple said that if it becomes aware of an app that violates its App Store Review Guidelines in relation to this change, the developer must address the issue or the app will be removed from the App Store.
Apple said that this change has been on its roadmap for years, and that it will apply equally to all developers, including Apple.
Last, Apple noted that it is expanding its privacy-preserving SKAdNetwork ad attribution API, allowing third-party ad networks serving ads across a wide variety of apps to provide ad attribution to developers without knowing the identity of the user. Apple says SKAdNetwork is free to use and that it does not monetize the API.
Facebook's Criticism
Earlier today, in a blog post and a full-page ad published in three major newspapers, Facebook claimed that Apple's tracking change will have a "harmful impact on many small businesses that are struggling to stay afloat."
"We disagree with Apple's approach and solution, yet we have no choice but to show Apple's prompt," said Facebook. "If we don't, they will block Facebook from the App Store, which would only further harm the people and businesses that rely on our services. We cannot take this risk on behalf of the millions of businesses who use our platform to grow."
Facebook said Apple's anti-tracking change is "about profit, not privacy," claiming that small businesses will be forced to turn to subscriptions and other in-app payments for revenue, in turn benefitting Apple's bottom line. Facebook also accused Apple of setting a double standard, claiming that the iPhone maker's own personalized ad platform is not subject to the upcoming iOS 14 policy, a claim that Apple has now denied.
"We believe Apple is behaving anti-competitively by using their control of the App Store to benefit their bottom line at the expense of app developers and small businesses," said Facebook. The company said it would continue to "explore ways to address this concern," including supporting Epic Games in its antitrust lawsuit against Apple.
Article Link: Apple Responds to Facebook's Anti-Tracking Criticism, Says Users Deserve Control and Transparency
I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
You want my data? Ask. And if I say no, learn to respect that decision.
You want my data? Ask. And if I say no, learn to respect that decision.
Yes, Facebook collects and gives away users data. But Apple can't be cleared of allegations of doing the same. Under the pressure of gov't and security agencies, like the FBI, Apple has caved and provided backdoors to access users' data through iCloud: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ps-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT
Snowden's leaks revealed Apple's participation in PRISM, also providing the NSA backdoors to users. Apple denies this but so did Facebook, Google, etc.While Apple isn't profiting off of users' data like Facebook, it certainly is not making explicit to its users what data is being collected and who is able to access the data.
Snowden's leaks revealed Apple's participation in PRISM, also providing the NSA backdoors to users. Apple denies this but so did Facebook, Google, etc.While Apple isn't profiting off of users' data like Facebook, it certainly is not making explicit to its users what data is being collected and who is able to access the data.
This is great and all, but Developers are just gonna “force” users too agree in order to use the App/Service. Look at what Google Photos does, it’s either access to all photos or nothing. Facebook will update the app, you’ll open the app and be greeted with a ambiguous pop-up and you’ll either agree or you won’t be able to use it at all.
If Developers start that garbage, I won’t use the app.
Facebook is whining that privacy is now being treated seriously and things are being enacted that should have been done long ago.
It’s like a factory that opens and gets to dump all their toxic waste directly into the lake nearby because no laws prohibit it. So the city or county passes an ordinance forbidding it, and then they cry they’re being hampered. Maybe, but you also got lucky in the first place.
It’s like a factory that opens and gets to dump all their toxic waste directly into the lake nearby because no laws prohibit it. So the city or county passes an ordinance forbidding it, and then they cry they’re being hampered. Maybe, but you also got lucky in the first place.
They’re targeting a group of their users that do still read newspapers. The older generation who also seem to be fans of Facebook.
Facebook know if they have to ask, almost all people will reject their tracking since most people prefer privacy over being spied on.
The “Ask app not to...” prompt is not definitive enough. How about, “Do not allow tracking” instead?
I haven’t read the developer documentation on this, can somebody clarify something for me: what does the app know about the users depiction? Does it know when they deny access, or does it get a fake tracking code? If the latter then that does seem a little unfair, as they have no opportunity to deny access to users who aren’t willing to pay the cost (in tracking), and this make it a fair choice for users (service at a price or no service). If they do get that information, and can offer the customer that choice, then they don’t have a leg to stand on.
If you offered to give me $100,000 to name 5 people I went to high school with I would be walking home.
But if you asked me to name their pets...
I agree. We’re edge cases though, most people will just press “accept,” or “OK,” and move on. They know that.
Putting a full page ad in a newspaper still makes it appear to be actual journalism, not an ad, to many people.
Sad that newspapers are allowed to run an ad so full of false statements.
I’m guessing what ever ad service macrumors is using is reading your cookies. Don’t overthink it.
Someone please clarify this for me, it says that Facebook will track you across "Websites and apps". I get that they will know what I am doing in their app but will they be able to see what is in my email, my Safari browsing, my Apple TV, YouTube watch history, SMS?!
Is this like an iOS system wide cookie? I got same message installing YouTube app.
This is exactly Facebook's problem. The loophole in the system was that Facebook writes this exact thing in a 134 page Terms&Services agreement in complex legal terms so that people do not understand, click agree, they are ignorant and if anything FB is protected by the law as per the agreement.
Now Apple puts it up there, summed and clear "This will track you across websites and apps. This will give you personalised ads". So the people are more informed now and it collapses Facebook business model "gather data on ignorant people with their legal consent"
Is this like an iOS system wide cookie? I got same message installing YouTube app.
This is exactly Facebook's problem. The loophole in the system was that Facebook writes this exact thing in a 134 page Terms&Services agreement in complex legal terms so that people do not understand, click agree, they are ignorant and if anything FB is protected by the law as per the agreement.
Now Apple puts it up there, summed and clear "This will track you across websites and apps. This will give you personalised ads". So the people are more informed now and it collapses Facebook business model "gather data on ignorant people with their legal consent"
I agree, but sadly. If Apple provides everything for us, even if there is competition. There will be people to keep bashing Apple as a monopoly. (They should look into the food companies before Apple tbh.)
Facebookers already know damn well they're tracked and mined and collated and amortized and monetized to all hell --- And They Don't Care.
It's all about the Likes. It's all about addiction. This tracking warning screen won't do nuthin to stop them from clicking through. None of them will leave the platform They're all plugged into the matrix .
It's all about the Likes. It's all about addiction. This tracking warning screen won't do nuthin to stop them from clicking through. None of them will leave the platform They're all plugged into the matrix .
Facebook’s “small business” argument is very weak.
If Facebook were to close shop today, one or more services would enter and take their place. Simple as that. The existence of businesses doesn’t begin and end with Facebook. ??♂️
While small business will 100% be OK in the long term without Facebook, Facebook is not OK without data from users.
If Facebook were to close shop today, one or more services would enter and take their place. Simple as that. The existence of businesses doesn’t begin and end with Facebook. ??♂️
While small business will 100% be OK in the long term without Facebook, Facebook is not OK without data from users.
