It's not about advertising being evil. It's about giving the users a choice. You probably opted in for this when you signed up for Apple Card?
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Apple Responds to Facebook's Anti-Tracking Criticism, Says Users Deserve Control and Transparency
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That's ok. I'll then choose apps that don't require me to say yes. Hopefully I won't be the only one to call their bluff.
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A lot of people my age are 100% aware and don't care. They'll freely share whatever is asked, and that's their decision. I'd do it too if there were something important on the other side, but since we're talking about social media, there isn't.
Is there any business in the world that doesn't need their 'customers', to be able to survive and profit?
I can't believe how much sense your comment leaves out.
Why would Apple or anyone do that? The whole point of a "free" social networking platform is to make obscene amounts of money tracking and selling users' data. Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, etc. have NO interest whatsoever is "enabling" you to communicate, express yourself, connect with family and friends, or anything else they say. The one and only reason is to monetize your data. Creating a social networking site that DOESN'T spy on you and steal your data would not be a sustainable business model (unless users paid a subscription fee, which they would not).
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I’m trying to understand how Facebook thinks this very vocal complaining is a good idea. Do they think people just don’t understand? On one side we have Facebook obviously wanting to track people in secret and on the other we have Apple wanting to inform people they are being tracked. Just thinking in terms of simple human nature, aren’t most people going to side with Apple?
Surely this was already discussed but what is Facebook doing with my emails and/or text messages and exactly what “audio data” are they getting?
Surely this was already discussed but what is Facebook doing with my emails and/or text messages and exactly what “audio data” are they getting?
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If anything, I am just hoping this ad blitz blows up in Facebook’s face by making more people aware of how pervasively they are being tracked by Facebook and what Apple is doing to protect their privacy here.
Yes! Apple needs that headache. And they should call it Ping, or Bing...if that name isn’t taken yet.
Agreed I wasn’t born here and there’s countries where FB is a must. Everyone is in there, including finding jobs. And it’s the only way to contact them, I guess it’s akin to wechat in China. Thankfully it’s not integrated to everything in the USA.
Because the REALITY is that the vast majority of people use Facebook and no other platform. I’m totally enthusiastic about this iOS feature and don’t care for Facebook BUT I also have to promote events/shows I’m involved with and ditching Facebook would totally alienate me from most of my potential audience.. So your point (and many others on this thread) read like someone complaining about cellphone carriers or the volume of robo calls they receive only to be told “well you should just ditch your phone and communicate with people differently”
Majority of people don't understand Facebook's business model. Majority of people simply see them using something for free, and they feel good about it (from seeing family photos to being bombarded with echochamber newsfeed). The fact that there is no significant dent in Facebook's valuation after a plethora of scandals show the mindset of people in general (as FB's own shareholders have total confidence of FB's business model).
Meanwhile, when people see Apple, all they see is expensive gadgets. Sometimes things are as simple as that. This is also why Facebook did a newspaper ad, which contradicts their own digital marketing proposition to advertisers. People will see this as Apple "attacking" whatever free stuff they are currently using, with zero understanding what's actually going on. It's up to Apple to fight back with campaigns explaining what they do as simple as possible.
Perhaps Facebook feels that Apple is on the boarder of encountering the wrath of policymakers for their App Store monopoly. So they think if they complain loud enough, Apple might back down just to shut them up?
The full page adds in the Times, WaPo, etc weren’t aimed at Facebook users (Facebook can already show them whatever they want), it was directly aimed/signaling to policymakers.
I have to think that is what all the noise is about.
Whenever I think about this stuff I always remember that something like 80% of Americans supported open internet, yet the FCC still managed to end that.
The better privacy and security are a big plus for me of Apple products. Screw Zuckerberg and screw his company.
You know what?
While I applaud Apple for taking this step even if it’s not altruistic and I have no illusions that their motives aren’t exactly pure, I am at the same time really disappointed that it took a huge company like Apple to actually do this.
The EU, US etc have done **** all but let Facebook and their ilk play fast and loose with user data for years and it’s a bloody shame that this had to come from a company whose first motive is profit, even if does benefit the user in the end
While I applaud Apple for taking this step even if it’s not altruistic and I have no illusions that their motives aren’t exactly pure, I am at the same time really disappointed that it took a huge company like Apple to actually do this.
The EU, US etc have done **** all but let Facebook and their ilk play fast and loose with user data for years and it’s a bloody shame that this had to come from a company whose first motive is profit, even if does benefit the user in the end
The point is that Facebook shouldn't have reached the status it achieved: it was a poor mess of code arranged by a bad student(*) who at some time realized (or was told) that he could get rich by spreading it out of the college just for the sick "enjoyment" of looking at other's people life. And at the end it became even a business platform. And they want to protect "small businesses"? Which ones? Those who make a living from other's people life just like FB?
(*) I know very good ideas and very good products came from "bad students", but however they had a brilliant mind and they did great work which succeeded because it was great. That's not the case for Facebook, whose success has nothing to do with being a good product.
(*) I know very good ideas and very good products came from "bad students", but however they had a brilliant mind and they did great work which succeeded because it was great. That's not the case for Facebook, whose success has nothing to do with being a good product.
There are lots of ways to determine the same device is being used without sharing data between apps/websites locally. They generate a unique id based on a known item (Facebook Login / Token). Then any website or app that uses your facebook login can be identified as the same device. Then there is cross-site scripting, which allows facebook to run code every time you load their website.
For sites and apps that are not using a facebook login they can uses another more complicated by viable method. They extract data from the Network packets sent back to the mothership (Facebook servers). There is 7 layers of data in each TCP/IP packet. This makes it fairly easy to find matching data from two different apps coming from the same device. Over time these relationships are established and synced to your ID/token. Once this is done they can be aggregated your date from many sources.
