Why would Apple give the FBI UDIS's? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe you are trying to start a new conspiracy theory? What involvement did you have in this mess? Come clean!
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Apple Responds to UDID Leak, Says Did Not Provide Data to FBI
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Why would Apple give the FBI UDIS's? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe you are trying to start a new conspiracy theory? What involvement did you have in this mess? Come clean!
If _Apple_ gave UDIDs to the FBI, then _someone at Apple_ did, and he was _ordered by someone higher up_ at Apple. People talk. Something like that would never stay secret. And to be honest, if my boss told me to give customer information to the police, the first thing I would do is call our legal department to make sure everything is legal, so suddenly you have lots of people who know.
And why on earth would Apple do such a thing? And what do you think could the FBI do with a list of 12 million UDIDs? There isn't anything you can actually do with these numbers.
Some FBI agent probably have. But the laptop from which this data was supposedly stolen was a Dell Vostro.
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There's no evidence that the data came from the FBI, and there's no data that couldn't have been collected by an iOS application developer. You may not trust the FBI when they deny the data came from them, but why should we trust this hacker group who also has an obvious agenda? (they have a manifesto for crying out loud) UDIDs, device names, and address book info can be queried by any iOS app. There are thousands of sources this information could have come from. I say then that it is most likely to have come from an iOS developer.
I 've the feeling you are right!
Mine isn't on the list and I don't use Facebook.
Mine isn't and I do. The number of UDIDs released is small compared to the total number of devices out there.
According to the hacker himself, they used an app. He tells affected people to look for an app in common:
http://allthingsd.com/20120904/fbi-says-antisec-hackers-lied-about-list-of-iphone-id-numbers/
In all the paranoia about the FBI, Apple, etc. - where is the paranoia about the hackers - most hacking is for profit - theirs, at your expense
AT&T did it.
Why am I not surprised the FBI denied any involvement?
Define involvement.
It's doubtful the FBI was responsible for leaking the 12M records.
Perhaps the FBI was watching an app developer who was using the app to steal info from users.
Hackers are NOT the harmless factor. Your personal info is stolen and passed on - for a price.
RIGHT! And it does not have to be about only national security.
I guess you didn't read the article. He was using a Thinkpad.
They actually use Dell laptops in 2012. I've seen them.
If the Feds aren't using Dell computers they're using HP equipment. I've seen that too.
As for the Macs being a source of frustration, that may have been true in 2004, but now they have caught up. They can handle Linux just fine as well.
The only thing which will frustrate them is full hard drive (strong) encryption with a strong pass-phrase they can't find other access to. Assuming the computer was shut down and not used in "sleep" mode.
For those who think the FBI are guys you want to have access to everyone's computer.
Former top FBI agent charged with child porn distribution
Ryan Seese Former FBI Special Agent, Convicted Peeping Tom and probable pedophile
Seese Sentenced to County Jail Time only, NOT required to register as sex offender.
Robert Hanssen FBI Special Agent, Spy and Pervert
Hey, they're the good guys. Let them have full access to our hard drives whenever they want. Let them track all of us including our kids whenever they want.
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What a bunch of nut jobs on this forum.
We have many more UDIDs in our database than were supposedly found on this FBI computer. Though apps are no longer allowed to collect them, they are still in our database linked to each user device.
Maybe we should issue a formal statement denying that we released the UDIDs to the FBI...
We have many more UDIDs in our database than were supposedly found on this FBI computer. Though apps are no longer allowed to collect them, they are still in our database linked to each user device.
Maybe we should issue a formal statement denying that we released the UDIDs to the FBI...
Actually, folks with cell phones who take pictures for there contacts to see who is calling them started all of this free service for the government. Most contact list has name, picture, address, multiple phone numbers, etc. . Facebook and other social sites just added to give uncle Sam this information. Pretty slick.
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If you believe apple or the FBI denials, I have some ocean front property for sale in Oklahoma for 100 bucks an acre. Just call 1800suckers!
You know, maybe the FBI didn't gather these UDIDs, people are right it very much is a one person's word against another kind of thing.
That being said, them saying they didn't do it means nothing to me. The FBI would deny it even if they did. It would be considered confidential information that they would feel they have a right to hide (I didn't say they had the right, just that they felt they did). I mean, it's not like government doesn't hide stuff from people. Any airplane nut will remember when they denied the existance of the stealth fighter and bomber (B-2 and F-117 I believe) for years though everyone knew that something like that existed.
And it seems particularly weird to me that they worded it that, "there was no evidence". Which seems to me more that I'd believe they did collect the info. Why not just say, "We didn't collect the info?". The fact that there is no evidence is implied with that second statement and it says they didn't actually do it, it claims innocence. The first just claims that you can't prove it. So why would they only tell people they can't prove it, not that they didn't do it?
So, yeah, I'm more leaning that the FBI did collect that info. I won't say the hacker really has good motivations, we have no clue on that one at all. But I'm totally skeptical of the FBI's claims.
That being said, them saying they didn't do it means nothing to me. The FBI would deny it even if they did. It would be considered confidential information that they would feel they have a right to hide (I didn't say they had the right, just that they felt they did). I mean, it's not like government doesn't hide stuff from people. Any airplane nut will remember when they denied the existance of the stealth fighter and bomber (B-2 and F-117 I believe) for years though everyone knew that something like that existed.
And it seems particularly weird to me that they worded it that, "there was no evidence". Which seems to me more that I'd believe they did collect the info. Why not just say, "We didn't collect the info?". The fact that there is no evidence is implied with that second statement and it says they didn't actually do it, it claims innocence. The first just claims that you can't prove it. So why would they only tell people they can't prove it, not that they didn't do it?
So, yeah, I'm more leaning that the FBI did collect that info. I won't say the hacker really has good motivations, we have no clue on that one at all. But I'm totally skeptical of the FBI's claims.
I'm just going to sit back and watch this unfold!
While Apple says that they never provided this information to the FBI, and the FBI saying they never had this information - it seems likely that AntiSec hacker was lying.
On the flip side, AntiSec was quick to fire back that it was definitely real and from an FBI laptop. Additionally, he has said that he's sitting on at least 3TB of other data - and that further data dumps are on the way!
Although they may have all my personal information - whatever, this is getting juicy. Either we find out that Apple and FBI lied to the public and are in cahoots and AntiSec releases even more interesting information that nobody - including the FBI themselves - never knew that the FBI had. Or AntiSec has no more information leaks and we assume they obtained a list of UDIDs from appmakers or people storing their UDIDs for future jailbreaking on servers.
While Apple says that they never provided this information to the FBI, and the FBI saying they never had this information - it seems likely that AntiSec hacker was lying.
On the flip side, AntiSec was quick to fire back that it was definitely real and from an FBI laptop. Additionally, he has said that he's sitting on at least 3TB of other data - and that further data dumps are on the way!
Although they may have all my personal information - whatever, this is getting juicy. Either we find out that Apple and FBI lied to the public and are in cahoots and AntiSec releases even more interesting information that nobody - including the FBI themselves - never knew that the FBI had. Or AntiSec has no more information leaks and we assume they obtained a list of UDIDs from appmakers or people storing their UDIDs for future jailbreaking on servers.
Would it be possible to actually fabricate this list? I mean if you used some kind of name generator, you would get a lot of hits, which just looked legit.....ie Johns Ipod etc. Then you get to try and hang it all on the FBI and indirectly allude Apples involvement.
Also seems like a list { if it's real } the FBI would not let out of the building. I mean politically it could be a powder keg.
Just not convinced yet.
Also seems like a list { if it's real } the FBI would not let out of the building. I mean politically it could be a powder keg.
Just not convinced yet.
Apple already know which App was the source of the leak
The APNS token is *UNIQUE* to a particular app on a particular phone, they only need one to track it down.
The APNS token is *UNIQUE* to a particular app on a particular phone, they only need one to track it down.