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Apple Retail Employees File Class Action Lawsuit Over 'Bag Check' Lost Wages

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xxBURT0Nxx said:
i'm not really defending apple... EVERY company does things like this. Like I have said, I don't get paid for the time it takes me to get through security at work to get to the office building. You don't see me crying trying to sue them because of the few minutes i lose a week waiting on the security gate.
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And that does not make it legal. This is why I want apple to lose because those policies are not legal. I as an employee should not have to pay with my free time for a companies lost prevention. If they want to search my bag then they need to pay for my time. Simple as that.
charlituna said:
Oh they will end the bag check all right. By banning bring any bags or personal tech into the store. That will end those checks real quick.
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Of you do what other places have done. Have lockers and require all employee personal belongings go straight to the lockers. It is go to locker drop stuff off clock in, clock out get stuff out of locker. Btw if I have to get a manager to unlock the door to the locker then you have to pay me for my time. If it is open access to all employees to locker room then it is fine.

Time is not free.
 
I don't usually bother posting anything when a thread is this long.. but here's my two cents:

I run a courier company, and do deliveries all day. I go in and out of a lot of buildings. Quite a lot of companies have security that you must pass through to enter. Some are as simple as waving a badge in the direction of some guard. Others require passing metal detectors, bag searches, etc. All of the employees that must enter/exit these locations obviously have to deal with this on a daily basis. They are not paid for this time. It is an assumed part of the job.. a cost of having the job. Absolutely no different than your choice of where you wish to live in work (choosing a job that has a 15 minute commute versus a 45 minute commute time). If you want the job enough, you accept the longer commute. Same thing here. You know the situation going into it. You chose to keep working with those conditions... why would you then decide to sue after a number of years? Blows my mind.
 
MegamanX said:
And that does not make it legal. This is why I want apple to lose because those policies are not legal. I as an employee should not have to pay with my free time for a companies lost prevention. If they want to search my bag then they need to pay for my time. Simple as that.


Of you do what other places have done. Have lockers and require all employee personal belongings go straight to the lockers. It is go to locker drop stuff off clock in, clock out get stuff out of locker. Btw if I have to get a manager to unlock the door to the locker then you have to pay me for my time. If it is open access to all employees to locker room then it is fine.

Time is not free.
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if you think about it the other way, why should apple have to pay you because you CHOSE to bring a bag to work?
 
charlituna said:
There are very few to zero reasons beyond the persons control. Even girls in their period don't have to bring a bag and certainly not one that they have to walk out with. Checks are only done when you leave. Not when you come in. So bring a bag, trash it before you leave. Problem solved.
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Lunch carried in none disposable containers? Cutlery?
Epi-pens?
Asthma inhalers?
Sanitary towels?
Insulin?
Blood sugar tester?
Tampons?
Painkillers?
Book to read on break/lunch?
Glasses?
Wallet?
 
Terrified said:
It's often not though, which you seem to be wilfully ignoring.
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If you bring a bag, expect to be searched. Leave everything except your lunch in your car a locker. Should the people who bring the most bags get paid the most for search time? The more bags you bring, the more money you make.
 
Terrified said:
Lunch carried in none disposable containers? Cutlery?
Epi-pens?
Asthma inhalers?
Sanitary towels?
Insulin?
Blood sugar tester?
Tampons?
Painkillers?
Book to read on break/lunch?
Glasses?
Wallet?
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does every employee have to cary every one of these items? Do most not easily fit in your pocket? For the few that may need a backpack sure, but stop acting like every person who has to carry one little thing needs a freakin backpack... UNREAL!!
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
if you think about it the other way, why should apple have to pay you because you CHOSE to bring a bag to work?
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Because some people have to bring a bag? You keep writing the word "choice", and yet I don't think you understand what it means.
 
Terrified said:
Unless they *have* to bring a bag.

*bangs head repeatedly against wall*
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There are almost no reasons why a person has to bring a bag. Maybe someone like an insulin dependent diabetic, then again they are likely to bring just enough supplies for the day and those will be tossed if they use them. If not they could end up left on site so they won't be forgotten at home. A girl needing tampons, again used and trashed.heck they can even be in a pocket. Last I checked no one was patting down employees pants etc to make sure they went hiding iPads in those giant pockets.
 
mdlooker said:
This company has NO RIGHT to hold "time clock" employees even as much as 1 minute pass their "clocked out" time. The onus is on the company if they want to take security measures to ensure employees aren't walking off with property.

They can have a 15min overlap of on-coming/off-going shifts to check but the bottom line, its illegal. So what if the entire hourly force were to clock in early or late to cover that time they were being held without approval, they'd be fired!
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you should change that to 1 second past clock out. second the employee clocks out the company has zero hold over them.

That being said I am glad I am salary but that comes at a cost 2. I can be stop out the door to do something. Hell I have been stopped after I was all pack up and heading out the door for an emergency that came out. 3 hours later I went home but I am salary. That is fine. Hourly you are damn straight they would of had to pay me for that and it would of been over time hours.
 
The local Applebee's franchise parent got sued for not paying (at least) minimum wage to waiters that were required to spend large amounts of time doing non-tip work like cleaning window sills and floors. They lost the class action suit that was brought against them and their response was to close all 33 restaurants they ran and file for bankruptcy rather than pay the lost wages.

Thankfully, I don't think any court would hear a bankruptcy claim from Apple.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
does every employee have to cary every one of these items? Do most not easily fit in your pocket? For the few that may need a backpack sure, but stop acting like every person who has to carry one little thing needs a freakin backpack... UNREAL!!
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I've already said I need several of those items,p and carry only a small bag. No backpack.

No, most of the items on that list don't fit in a pocket.
 
Terrified said:
Because some people have to bring a bag? You keep writing the word "choice", and yet I don't think you understand what it means.
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I have provided many examples and solutions for people who think they "need" a bag... truth is hardly anyone "needs" a bag...
 
My brother just started a part time job at the chain grocery store Trader Joes. They started him out at $13 an hour for the entry level job. I think its criminal that one of the richest & most profitable companies Apple is paying its Apple Store workers a measly $8.25 an hour. That just blows my mind.

And yes, I think it's totally fair for those employees to file this class action lawsuit for lost wages. It's their time. They are entitled to that money.

But let's face it, this lawsuit is going to benefit the lawyers more than the employees.
 
Terrified said:
It's often not though, which you seem to be wilfully ignoring.
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You've yet to give one valid reason why someone has to bring a bag into work. A reason with no other possible solution. And a reason where that bag has to leave work at any point.

And that you want to play games on your iPad is not a reason.
 
charlituna said:
There are almost no reasons why a person has to bring a bag. Maybe someone like an insulin dependent diabetic, then again they are likely to bring just enough supplies for the day and those will be tossed if they use them. If not they could end up left on site so they won't be forgotten at home. A girl needing tampons, again used and trashed.heck they can even be in a pocket. Last I checked no one was patting down employees pants etc to make sure they went hiding iPads in those giant pockets.
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Most every woman I know carries tampons/pads in their purse, not in their pockets.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
if you think about it the other way, why should apple have to pay you because you CHOSE to bring a bag to work?
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Again if Apple want to search my personal bag it is not free. They have to pay for my time.

You are right I chose to bring it. Apple CHOSE to search it. As such APPLE is required to pay me for my time. My time is not free.

Again why should I have to pay for Apple lose prevention time. It is my personal bag. If they want to search then they need to pay for my time. Simple as that. Why should I waste my free time for Apple to search my personal belonging.
 
Dr McKay said:
Not every Apple Store has these "off site" areas. These people are not doing it to themselves, Apple is doing it to them. How hard is that to understand?
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Again, as I asked others,give me one reason why the average employee has zero choice but to bring a bag that then needs to leave with them at the end of the night.
 
MegamanX said:
Again if Apple want to search my personal bag it is not free. They have to pay for my time.

You are right I chose to bring it. Apple CHOSE to search it. As such APPLE is required to pay me for my time. My time is not free.

Again why should I have to pay for Apple lose prevention time. It is my personal bag. If they want to search then they need to pay for my time. Simple as that. Why should I waste my free time for Apple to search my personal belonging.
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you just don't get it... you chose to bring a bag, you are the one forfeiting your time. Be grateful that you have an option. I have to go through security no matter what, I am not compensated for any extra time that that takes.
 
tldizard said:
A lot of lawsuits of this nature have been filed, and won. Sanitation workers were made to attend safety briefings 15 minutes before and after each shift, off the clock. They sued and won years of back overtime pay because it was additional hours on top of their mandatory 8-hour shift.

The plaintiffs will win this one, too much case precedent already exists.
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A safety briefing is clearly something that should be "on the clock." This is not comparable.

You can likely avoid the searches by not bringing bags in to work.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
In your opinion. And everyone has an opinion, some that really seem to upset you.
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i'm not that upset, i'm laughing at how pathetic the work force has become to demand being paid for their decision to bring a bag to work. :p

AppleScruff1 said:
Maybe he doesn't want his pockets stuffed to the gills? Perhaps it is uncomfortable?
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again, you act like everyone carries all of these items, give me a break.
 
Terrified said:
Lunch carried in none disposable containers? Cutlery?
Epi-pens?
Asthma inhalers?
Sanitary towels?
Insulin?
Blood sugar tester?
Tampons?
Painkillers?
Book to read on break/lunch?
Glasses?
Wallet?
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Your choice, fit in pocket, fit in pocket, fit in pocket, fit in pocket, fit in pocket, fit in pocket, generally not allowed but certainly a days supply can fit in pocket, your choice, fit in pocket or prop them on your head, fit in pocket.
 
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