Apple Retail Employees File Class Action Lawsuit Over 'Bag Check' Lost Wages

[samcraig]

you're not losing $10 a week... you are maybe losing $2.

it does not take 5 minutes every day to get your bag checked... most days probably takes one or two minutes. Assuming you make $10 an hour, you are losing $0.16 a minute.. even if you lose 30 minutes a week, that's only $5...

You think $2 is going to bring you from the lower class to the middle class? NO

Doesn't matter if it's $2 or .01 - if they are owed money - they are owed money

i could care less... i'm just saying people who sue over things like this are NOT the solution to america.. You guys think the best way to solve your problems is to sue apple cuz they stole $0.16 from us for that minute we had to get our bag searched.... instead of thinking of a real solution to your problem you would rather sue someone and point the finger. Yes you are the ones whining about the problem, I am just telling you how you could easily solve your "unsolvable" problems that "mandate" bringing a backpack to work..... lousy excuses for lazy ass people

Who said suing is the best way to solve our problems? (btw - the use of "cuz" doesn't help your case)

Again - if "we" are whining - then so are you. Just on opposite sides of the issue.

are you working at apple? does it even apply to you... stop acting like it does then.

if you were a sales person at apple, you wouldn't need your "IT laptop" you're the one trying to bring up every little case possible. THis doesn't even apply to you so be quiet.

Do YOU work for Apple? Does this even apply to you? Stop acting like it does then.

See how that works.

 

[Terrified]

guess you didn't read my post because yes there might be a few people who "need" it close... you can't keep those pens in your pocket? And not everyone needs an epi-pen

Stop acting like the only solution is to have a backpack... like i said, lousy excuses for lazy people.

What's your point? *I* need them. And no, since the two of them are about an inch in diameter and 6 inches long, they don't fit in my pocket.

I also don't use a backpack. I carry a satchel bag that also contains my lunch, since I try and save money and meet my dietary requirements by cooking at home and bringing it to work.

Again, no-one is claiming that *everyone* has these issues. I'm saying that some people do, so using blanket statements like "no-one needs to bring a bag" is utterly wrong.

 

[AppleScruff1]

i'm not really defending apple... EVERY company does things like this. Like I have said, I don't get paid for the time it takes me to get through security at work to get to the office building. You don't see me crying trying to sue them because of the few minutes i lose a week waiting on the security gate.

I don't know you or where you work. Maybe you complain about it incessantly, how would I know?

 

[Appleandpears]

This all plain silly…

Security screenings are done by security guards.

When you go to lunch, it takes 5 seconds to get out (unless you bring your bag, of course). When you leave the store, it might take a minute or so, because security guards briefly look into your bag. I emphasize "briefly" - if you are on good terms with the security, they only glance at your bag.

Only people who close the store leave together. This might cause a brief waiting time. Otherwise you barely ever are in line.

I am all for Apple compensating for work, but if I lose 5 minutes a week because of the security checks. Not worth suing over.

 

[samcraig]

i'm not really defending apple... EVERY company does things like this. Like I have said, I don't get paid for the time it takes me to get through security at work to get to the office building. You don't see me crying trying to sue them because of the few minutes i lose a week waiting on the security gate.

There is a difference between hourly and salary employees when it comes to the LAW. So I ask - are you salary or hourly?

 

[Carouser]

You guys think the best way to solve your problems is to sue apple cuz they stole $0.16 from us for that minute we had to get our bag searched.... instead of thinking of a real solution to your problem you would rather sue someone and point the finger.

So the problem is one of loss prevention at Apple stores, and Apple is purportedly addressing this problem by keeping employees on site without paying them.

Your response is to fault the employees for not better accommodating their employer - you think employees should figure out how to cease carrying the endless list of normal things reasonable people justifiably carry every day.

Sounds like you're making excuses for a corporation instead of expecting them to fix their own problem.

EDIT: To everyone saying that this isn't sufficient time to bother with a lawsuit, let us know what the magic number is at which someone should bother with a lawsuit. Then when there's a case where we need your opinion, we can let you know.

 

[ritmomundo]

Sure, my example makes much more sense than the one I was responding to. Attending a safety meeting is "work" by any definition. Getting checked on the way out of work isn't "work" at all.

To be honest, neither example was very good. And getting checked out of work isn't "work," thats true, but it should count as work-related time spent if the employer requires it in the job description.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

Doesn't matter if it's $2 or .01 - if they are owed money - they are owed money



Who said suing is the best way to solve our problems? (btw - the use of "cuz" doesn't help your case)

Again - if "we" are whining - then so are you. Just on opposite sides of the issue.



Do YOU work for Apple? Does this even apply to you? Stop acting like it does then.

See how that works.

you can't even have a productive argument. I am typing easily readable sentences, because I used "cuz" one time while typing the last 30 responses my point is completely invalid...????

 

[charlituna]

Is it possible that those suing worked in stores that didn't have one or that they weren't instituted yet? Or that there was an older policy at these stores?

It is still the employee's choice to bring a bag, their laptop etc.

 

[samcraig]

I am all for Apple compensating for work, but if I lose 5 minutes a week because of the security checks. Not worth suing over.

Ok. So if this happens to you - don't join the class action suit. Clearly others feel differently (I'm not a member of the suit or have ever worked for Apple).

Just because you don't care doesn't make it legal.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

There is a difference between hourly and salary employees when it comes to the LAW. So I ask - are you salary or hourly?

There are both salary and hourly employees at my facility... everyone has to go through the same security.. Doesn't matter.

I don't know why people can't understand... THIS IS NOT ABOUT APPLE... plenty of companies have policies like this... lets all sue our employers because we lose a few minutes of week going through the same security protocols that everyone else has to go through...

 

[DakotaGuy]

wow. People like you are the reason the upper class is expanding - they exploit the working class to continue amassing huge amounts of wealth, one dollar or one cent at a time. You say workers should "get over" themselves and not whine about "every little thing". Believe me, the corporation IS concerned with every little thing, and this policy is due to a calculated decision to maximize profit. So shouldn't you tell the corporation to "get over" itself? Shouldn't the corporation "quit acting like" they are losing considerable profit and just pay what they owe? No? Why is it okay for the corporation to squeeze every cent out of its workers, but its not okay for the workers to ask to be compensated for EVERY SECOND of their time?

Apple is squeezing a lot more money out of their customers then their employees, but we all keep lining up to buy the latest and greatest iDevice when there are lower priced alternatives.

Apple isn't getting rich because of that minute or two to check a bag on the way out of the door.

 

[charlituna]

. If the search could be done in 1-2 minutes, the claim is not valid.
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It can be and likely is most of the time.

 

[Terrified]

It is still the employee's choice to bring a bag, their laptop etc.

Unless they *have* to bring a bag.

*bangs head repeatedly against wall*

 

[samcraig]

There are both salary and hourly employees at my facility... everyone has to go through the same security.. Doesn't matter.

I didn't ask about anyone else but you. Thanks. I'm not engaging in a conversation with you any more. You're far too emotional about something that doesn't affect you. And you're also free with slinging insults/antagonizing for the sake of antagonizing. You've also been reported. have a great night.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

I didn't ask about anyone else but you. Thanks. I'm not engaging in a conversation with you any more. You're far too emotional about something that doesn't affect you. And you're also free with slinging insults/antagonizing for the sake of antagonizing. You've also been reported. have a great night.

what does it matter if i'm salary or not? Like i said, ALL employees have to go through the same security, your point is invalid... good night.

 

[Brak23]

95% chance they actually never reached out to HR to formally complain about the process, nor voice their feedback about it. Reason being, HR takes things like this at Apple pretty seriously, and Apple is one to change policy fairly easily if they feel its more beneficial.

As a former Apple retail employee, I can safety say my store wasn't a big deal. A manager was always around and I waited all of 1-2 minutes for the most part. It REALLY depends on the manager i'd say. Personally, I always caught a manager in our back room to check my bag as I was clocking out.

I get where these guys are coming from; lost wages are lost wages, especially if you rely on the income to pay bills. But had they voiced their concern through the proper channels at Apple, Apple would have most likely fixed or altered the policy accordingly.

 

[charlituna]

That doesn't help if you need to bring a bag to work with your lunch in it, you store it in your locker with your lunch in the fridge, you'll need to take the bag home with you.

Sure it does. If there is a place offsite for your stuff it never comes into the store and isn't bag checked

Oh my God, it's like talking to a Brick Wall.

Oh so you realize that you aren't getting it.

We have so proof that these searches actually take that long at all, it's voluntarily to bring a bag, especially into the stores at many of them. So employees are doing it to themselves. How hard is that to understand. And how hard is it to get that it being voluntary means it doesn't fall under work duties therefore no you don't have to be paid for it. Anyone that is claiming otherwise should be able to find a law, case etc to back their argument up so please share

 

[seamer]

The salary vs hourly thing depends on your industry and management level. Because of EA creating EA Wives, the computer sector in California was revamped to make it fair for developers.

 

[charlituna]

Or for reasons beyond their control. Why is that so hard for people to grasp?

There are very few to zero reasons beyond the persons control. Even girls in their period don't have to bring a bag and certainly not one that they have to walk out with. Checks are only done when you leave. Not when you come in. So bring a bag, trash it before you leave. Problem solved.

 

[Terrified]

it's voluntarily to bring a bag, especially into the stores at many of them. So employees are doing it to themselves

It's often not though, which you seem to be wilfully ignoring.

 

[mdlooker]

Pure Audacity

This company has NO RIGHT to hold "time clock" employees even as much as 1 minute pass their "clocked out" time. The onus is on the company if they want to take security measures to ensure employees aren't walking off with property.

They can have a 15min overlap of on-coming/off-going shifts to check but the bottom line, its illegal. So what if the entire hourly force were to clock in early or late to cover that time they were being held without approval, they'd be fired!

 

[Dr McKay]

Sure it does. If there is a place offsite for your stuff it never comes into the store and isn't bag checked

We have so proof that these searches actually take that long at all, it's voluntarily to bring a bag, especially into the stores at many of them. So employees are doing it to themselves. How hard is that to understand.

Not every Apple Store has these "off site" areas. These people are not doing it to themselves, Apple is doing it to them. How hard is that to understand?

 

[lolkthxbai]

Doesn't resolve the 5-15 minutes wasted clocking out for their 30 min lunch break.

Do the check early before you clock out.

 

[Appleandpears]

Ok. So if this happens to you - don't join the class action suit. Clearly others feel differently (I'm not a member of the suit or have ever worked for Apple).

Just because you don't care doesn't make it legal.

You can easily make up for these two minutes by coming into work a little early or staying in the break room for an extra few minutes.