As Cougarcat pointed out, Lion still uses the same mecanisms for updates that Snow Leopard does, plain old Software Update. The MAS is only used to purchase and download the initial installer.
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As Cougarcat pointed out, Lion still uses the same mecanisms for updates that Snow Leopard does, plain old Software Update. The MAS is only used to purchase and download the initial installer.
Does anyone know if AutoCAD 2011 and Matlab R2010a will work with Lion? Cos I kinda need those programs!
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Yes, pointlessly driving up the cost of your product and ruining the environment is a much better way to go. Maybe you could burn it to a CD yourself. Would that be ok?
It's not "pointless" if you have no or poor interconnect connectivity, or slow or capped data.
Don't you think you might just be a little melodramatic? I'd like to have it on DVD, too. And you know what, I would be willing to pay for the shipping cost. I happen to have every single OS that I have ever purchased. For both Mac and Windows. Starting with Windows 95. They aren't laying in any landfill anywhere. And if they were, it wouldn't be anybody's business! Do you think that playing the "green" card is gonna win you any points? It sure as hell isn't with me. I'm not buying into any ridiculous scare tactics like, if you don't buy and drive a prius, then you are killing mother earth. BS.
Not trying to be a prick, but since landfills are usually a municipal thing, yeah, it is our area's business.
The fact that you prefer your OSes on physical media sure ain't nobody's business, though. I agree 100% with you.
Even if Apple removes the ability to put on DVD or USB, I have faith in the hordes of "virgin nerds" out there with nothing better to do that to make it work from USB or a DVD...
Even if Apple removes the ability to put on DVD or USB, I have faith in the hordes of "virgin nerds" out there with nothing better to do that to make it work from USB or a DVD...
Why would they remove the ability for you to back up the master install file for your operating system? That would just be stupid.
Also, one google search came up with this.
Whoa...man. My bad for voicing my opinion. Geez.
And please, don't play the environment card unless you can prove 100% your lifestyle is 100% environmentally friendly.
You're right. I ran all the beta builds including this current 'GM' and although it's much better than earlier releases, its still got lots of niggles and isn't ready for prime time in my opinion & I'd strongly recommend holding off the update until they iron out the bugs via updates etc - especially if you use iWeb which just works sporadically and only saves changes when it feels like with Lion.
Bring on new Mac Pro's though!
Sorry mate but iWeb is D.I.A.
I'll have to admit. iWeb is just sitting there, nowadays. They really just let that program rot for way too long. It no longer builds web pages that you really need to make going forward.
Heck, if they simply revamped the thing to take advantage of HTML5 and CSS3 standards, built in, it would've seemed like they care about the package. Nowadays, it's like they're preparing to drop it altogether. I'm still looking for a HTML5 CSS3 editor that allows simple drop and drag building for simpler pages using that tech. That way you can set up quick and dirty templates with which to then later add new hooks and javascript to utilize. Maybe something akin to the interface builder in xcode but for web pages.
Heck, if they simply revamped the thing to take advantage of HTML5 and CSS3 standards, built in, it would've seemed like they care about the package. Nowadays, it's like they're preparing to drop it altogether. I'm still looking for a HTML5 CSS3 editor that allows simple drop and drag building for simpler pages using that tech. That way you can set up quick and dirty templates with which to then later add new hooks and javascript to utilize. Maybe something akin to the interface builder in xcode but for web pages.
I assume you meant "Internet connectivity"? In any case, if you have no Internet connectivity, what use is a computer to you? No email, no browsing, no software updates, etc. But you do have a point about slow connectivity. It can it take forever to download an OS!
Hopefully they've learned from the botched release of OS X 10.5 ("Leopard") and won't have actual live Lions in the stores this time.
First off, I've bought and installed every version of Mac OS X on day one dating back to 10.3 Panther. For the most part, (excluding 10.3 and 10.6) the Mac I was using ran slightly slower, probably by virtue of it being newer software running on older hardware, but otherwise, I've never had any issue with the 10.x.0 releases dating back that far. By the time I'm even able to experience anything that causes me annoyance, the 10.x.1 update is out. I don't even think 10.6.0 lasted more than two weeks before 10.6.1 was released. The GM build runs surprisingly stably, and as others have said, the download-only nature of Lion's distribution will allow them to fix more last-minute bugs. Really, I think that we have little to worry about regarding the adoption of 10.7.0. Also, as others have said, if you don't want to be an early adopter, you luckily have that option. I, myself, will probably not be buying it as I'm going to probably replace the Mac mini Server in my signature with a 15" MacBook Pro and a NAS. Said MacBook Pro will come with Lion pre-loaded, and if I'm not to be using said Mac mini Server for the long haul, I see no reason to spend the $30 on Lion. I'll be definitely installing and running it at work on day 1, but not at home as it doesn't make sense. If it did make sense, I'd be upgrading on day 1 at home as I always have.
The only thing that'd give me pause about upgrading is that I use MacTheRipper 2.66, Office 2004, original StarCraft, Diablo II, Adobe Photoshop CS(1), Quicken 2007. I should acquire a new version of Photoshop, but I really don't want to have to acquire a new version of Office. I downgraded from 2008 because I hated it so much and while 2011 is much better, it's still nowhere near as zippy as 2004. But in the case of the other programs, not having Rosetta will suck. And before you give me the whole infantile "quit living in the past" argument, find me a good reason why they can't simply include a lightweight binary translator. Strikes me as a needless exclusion.
I would also like some official means of performing a fresh install on a new drive. Recovery partitions are cute and all that, but really, they aren't. And it does nothing for me if I have a blank drive. Beyond that, telling me that I'll need to have Snow Leopard handy to perform my Lion install makes no sense, especially when Snow Leopard will have been off the market at that point. Also, what do I do if I'm not a techie and never upgraded from the Intel release of Tiger or Leopard? Or will Apple kindly sell me a DMG that I can download from the Apple Online Store similar to the QuickTime MPEG 2 Component? If you don't like optical discs, I'm all for there being an alternate means of installation, but to limit it to a download to an installer that must run on the machine being upgraded from within the prior version of the OS, that's ridiculous, I'm sorry. At least let me burn or create my own USB disc with the OS Boot/Install disk, and don't hide it in the installer .app itself. The Mac App Store is nice and all, but using it to distribute an OS seems incredibly stupid.
The only thing that'd give me pause about upgrading is that I use MacTheRipper 2.66, Office 2004, original StarCraft, Diablo II, Adobe Photoshop CS(1), Quicken 2007. I should acquire a new version of Photoshop, but I really don't want to have to acquire a new version of Office. I downgraded from 2008 because I hated it so much and while 2011 is much better, it's still nowhere near as zippy as 2004. But in the case of the other programs, not having Rosetta will suck. And before you give me the whole infantile "quit living in the past" argument, find me a good reason why they can't simply include a lightweight binary translator. Strikes me as a needless exclusion.
I would also like some official means of performing a fresh install on a new drive. Recovery partitions are cute and all that, but really, they aren't. And it does nothing for me if I have a blank drive. Beyond that, telling me that I'll need to have Snow Leopard handy to perform my Lion install makes no sense, especially when Snow Leopard will have been off the market at that point. Also, what do I do if I'm not a techie and never upgraded from the Intel release of Tiger or Leopard? Or will Apple kindly sell me a DMG that I can download from the Apple Online Store similar to the QuickTime MPEG 2 Component? If you don't like optical discs, I'm all for there being an alternate means of installation, but to limit it to a download to an installer that must run on the machine being upgraded from within the prior version of the OS, that's ridiculous, I'm sorry. At least let me burn or create my own USB disc with the OS Boot/Install disk, and don't hide it in the installer .app itself. The Mac App Store is nice and all, but using it to distribute an OS seems incredibly stupid.
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