Apple Reveals 2012 Final Cut Pro X Update with Multichannel Audio Editing, RED Support and More

[patsfan83]

Still no real XML (only the BS FCPX xml which doesn't work with ANYTHING), still no OMF, why are they wasting time on this other stuff when there are core features it lacks?

Let's see, Autodesk Smoke on Mac supports FCP XML. Resolve also supports it.

Not sure what you mean by real OMF. You can export OMFs from Automatic Duck for free or use X2Pro Audio Convert.

I'm guessing that Apple said enough is enough with OMF, let developers deal with it...yes it is the industry standard, but it hasn't evolved with the times. It still has 2GB file limits for crying out loud.

 

[mozumder]

Also, the pros complaining about FCP X because it disturbed their workflow, well.. F* em. At this point it's their loss. FCP X is a game changer in industry.

They should have learned to be agile, to toss out their existing workflow, rather than to have been permanently reliant on their older workflow. They should have learned the new FCP X while moving away from FCP 7.

There is no room for conservatism & complacency in a market dominated by an extremely agile & responsive Apple.

Also, Premiere sucks.

 

[LaWally]

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Releasing a new Mac Pro will help give reassurance to all of us who are currently very unsure of which proverbial basket is best in which to place our current (and future) eggs. Sure I can get Apple hardware that works great right now. But that won't necessarily be the case 2-3-5 years down the road- which is where Pros are looking.

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I have no skin in this Mac Pro game as I do not use it, yet I enjoy reading about others' needs for it. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but why will a new Mac Pro give anyone any assurance of the future. Apple may release a new Mac Pro now and in one or two years discontinue it.

Seems to me Mac Pro users really need a 5+ year commitment from Apple to have any reasonable level of assurance.

 

[mBox]

Give us custom resolution export! I can't make anamorphic videos here! Even iMovie has that feature!

Exactly what are you trying to do with an Anamorphic Export?
Do you have 1440x1080 footage? Is it DVD Anamorphic?

 

[zedsdead]

Comments in bold above...

I have Event Manager X, and yes it is a good workaround, but not a fix.

This is not the same as having different Library's.

And using Keywords for In/Out Points is crazy. The program should remember the last selection made.

 

[Rocketman]

They should have learned to be agile, to toss out their existing workflow, rather than to have been permanently reliant on their older workflow. They should have learned the new FCP X while moving away from FCP 7.

There is no room for conservatism & complacency in a market dominated by an extremely agile & responsive Apple.

Also, Premiere sucks.

In principal you may be right, but work relies on assets and on methodologies. Work flow changes need to be gradual for real organizations with moderately skilled folks, on average, to deal with it.

Rocketman

 

[kylepro88]

Exactly what are you trying to do with an Anamorphic Export?
Do you have 1440x1080 footage? Is it DVD Anamorphic?

He's likely using an anamorphic lens which means he's recording an anamorphic image squeezed to a 16x9 recorded frame.

 

[mBox]

I think the real mistake Apple made was pushing this as a FCP7 replacement at the LAFCPUG during NAB 2011. They really misled people during that presentation by showing a project in FCP7 and then showing, and saying, "here is the SAME project in FCPX!", but never saying , "oh BTW, you can't OPEN your FCP7 projects in FCPX.

The hype backfired.

I was at the Supermeet. Apple did not hype it up. It was us to blame for that.
We basically all applauded during the presentation and started patting our own backs that we were on the right team.
But thats where most professionals should know that his business is not team oriented. Its a me me me business.
Apple gave us a different pencil but took away an old one that they could not support anymore.

Suck it up "pros", such is life.

 

[knewsom]

Let's see, Autodesk Smoke on Mac supports FCP XML. Resolve also supports it.

Not sure what you mean by real OMF. You can export OMFs from Automatic Duck for free or use X2Pro Audio Convert.

I'm guessing that Apple said enough is enough with OMF, let developers deal with it...yes it is the industry standard, but it hasn't evolved with the times. It still has 2GB file limits for crying out loud.

I stand corrected about nothing being able to use it - there are a couple of programs. Unfortunately for those of use who own it and love it, Color is not among them.

 

[mBox]

And using Keywords for In/Out Points is crazy. The program should remember the last selection made.

Favorites and Keywords works great for us here. Yes it is a pain to make selection and then get distracted and lose that selection.
Ive done it a few times editing then checking my Twitter
Remember, you cant have more than one in and out point on a resource clip on any NLE out there without having to duplicate or use subclips.

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I stand corrected about nothing being able to use it - there are a couple of programs. Unfortunately for those of use who own it and love it, Color is not among them.

COLOR = RIP...Resolve will do you good

 

[kylepro88]

I stand corrected about nothing being able to use it - there are a couple of programs. Unfortunately for those of use who own it and love it, Color is not among them.

But you can export a FCPX project to FCP7 XML using the Xto7 app downloadable from the App Store and as long as the conversion is good...open it up in Color that way.

There's always a way, we just need to deal with workarounds for the moment and if the workaround always works and doesn't cause that many woes, what's the problem?

It's funny because all the ancient workflows and workarounds FCP7 required for big post houses isn't really any more/less in FCPX. There are still little tips and tricks needed to get the job done.

 

[mBox]

He's likely using an anamorphic lens which means he's recording an anamorphic image squeezed to a 16x9 recorded frame.

That I cant comment on but I guess thats why we have other tools such as After Effects for odd formats.
The only time Ive ran into this is the old DV Anamorphic but Im sure that can be done in FCPX.
Now im curious to learn

 

[handygeek]

Apple may release a new Mac Pro now and in one or two years discontinue it.

That has always been a risk - it's a risk no matter the hardware choice. But a track record of regular hardware refreshes was established for a long time. Apple's foot-dragging has left many of us less confident. A refresh now would also allay doubts that Apple is still in the pro market.

 

[kylepro88]

I have Event Manager X, and yes it is a good workaround, but not a fix.

This is not the same as having different Library's.

And using Keywords for In/Out Points is crazy. The program should remember the last selection made.

Well workarounds will always exist. Better to embrace them especially with how easy they are sometimes. What do you mean by different Library's?

Using keywords for in/out points is actually more efficient depending on the project, since not every clip you import gets used...I would rather have a keyword to go to with a list of ONLY clips I intend to use with in/out already set for me to grab from. BUT, that's me. Just saying that's a way to do what you're asking just in a different way then before. Hopefully it will remember in/out in the future, but until then that's your option.

 

[knewsom]

[/COLOR]COLOR = RIP...Resolve will do you good

Aye, unfortunately this is so. I'm not looking forward to spending a grand on another piece of software, but methinks it's going to have to happen. I've already had to deal with the headache of trying to convert an FCPX piece into FCP 7 and send it to color, I really don't want to have to deal with that again.

After I wrap my next show, I'm upgrading to Resolve.

 

[12dylan34]

But is it really needed. Aside from the ability to swap drives, does one really need a Pro.

Yes, one does. When it comes to video, whether it's just encoding, or rendering 3D motion graphics stuff, you need every cycle, every megabyte of RAM, every ounce of power you can get, and you could still use more.

Upgradeability isn't just something that's nice to have, it's a necessity. For places that actually need these machines up and running all of the time, it's much more cost and time effective to replace several parts as time goes on than to wait for the machines to age and become slow, then upgrade to entirely new machines.

 

[mBox]

Aye, unfortunately this is so. I'm not looking forward to spending a grand on another piece of software, but methinks it's going to have to happen. I've already had to deal with the headache of trying to convert an FCPX piece into FCP 7 and send it to color, I really don't want to have to deal with that again.

After I wrap my next show, I'm upgrading to Resolve.

Resolve Lite is free. I use it at home and files transfer back and forth to full version at work.

 

[handygeek]

I'm not looking forward to spending a grand on another piece of software, but methinks it's going to have to happen.
After I wrap my next show, I'm upgrading to Resolve.

Thankfully the free version is actually quite useful, though if you grade professionally, yes you'll want to make the full-on move.

 

[mBox]

Yes, one does. When it comes to video, whether it's just encoding, or rendering 3D motion graphics stuff, you need every cycle, every megabyte of RAM, every ounce of power you can get, and you could still use more.

Upgradeability isn't just something that's nice to have, it's a necessity. For places that actually need these machines up and running all of the time, it's much more cost and time effective to replace several parts as time goes on than to wait for the machines to age and become slow, then upgrade to entirely new machines.

Currently the Thunderbolt only handles 4X in PCI speed. I need 16x and 8x for most of my cards. We use a CUBIX for a RED Rocket, DeckLink and a few Quaro 4000s.
I tried to get that to work on an iMac....ok Im kidding

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Thankfully the free version is actually quite useful, though if you grade professionally, yes you'll want to make the full-on move.

Some known pros are laughing (creativecow) cause they have used the free version for finishing shows. but the 995 USD compared to what it was before is a good laugh too

 

[Keebler]

Nice features, but really want:

(1) Library System ABOVE Events/Projects, similar to Aperture so you can have different library's (and each library would have its own events/projects. The unified system is foolish and causes a lot of lag. There is NO REASON to open everything all the time, especially when many events have nothing to do with each other.

(2) Chapter Marker Support.

I know I've sent feedback about this one too. Glaring omission.

(3) Revamped Compressor that automatically uses all cores like Handbrake does. VBR encoding would also be nice.

lol compressor has to be one of the major failings. I had a nice 'chat' with one of the final cut team members about this one. Just ridiculous that their own software won't automatically utilize the power they so tout about their mac pros. Asinine, is how I remember describing it to him. For DVD output, I actually still output qt files and use Bitvice, which - like Handbrake automatically recognizes and utilizes all power without begging it. To me, this is like asking the Death Star to fire up it's big laser to destroy Alderaan and only using 1 of the 4 or 5 laser beams.

For H.264 files, i use Matrox's CompressHD card.

Don't even get me going about cluster computing. When I think of Apple and cluster computing, I think of it as a major cluster *****.


(4) Actual Background Rendering to occur while working.

(5) In/Out markers to stay on clips.

(6) Markers for clips already used (similar to iMovie).

I love the overall approach to FCP-X, so anything they add is welcome.

in bold above

 

[knewsom]

Thankfully the free version is actually quite useful, though if you grade professionally, yes you'll want to make the full-on move.

I do - a lite version is likely not going to do me much good, but I'm definitely going to download it and check it out.

 

[powers74]

Fcp

I don't understand how two 2.93GHz 6-Core Xeons, 32gigs of RAM and a couple ATIs isn't enough to cut a freaking 30min short or a local TV ad or even a piece of crap reality TV episode, let alone a full length feature film.

But then again, What The Hell Do I Know?

 

[mBox]

I don't understand how two 2.93GHz 6-Core Xeons, 32gigs of RAM and a couple ATIs isn't enough to cut a freaking 30min short or a local TV ad or even a piece of crap reality TV episode, let alone a full length feature film.

But then again, What The Hell Do I Know?

shhh dont give away trade secrets...dont tell anyone that most post-facilities buy older 2008/2010 Mac Pro's so they have a 5 year plan...and dont tell anyone that they still run FCP legacy and Snow Leopard as well as a Lion boot drive with FCPX and a Boot Camp Windows 7 running Maya 2012

 

[beg_ne]

Right, it should have some gaudy coloured squares all over the screen. :roll eyes:

As a developer, people like you irritate me to no end. FCP is a "tool" for doing "work" and what matters most if capability and usability not how it makes hipsters feel inside. It does not exist to validate you or make you feel all warm and fuzzy. If you want to show off how "hip" and "cool" you are then buy a house and renovate it to your tastes.

Change for the sake of change is idiotic.

Huh? Are you trying to say FCPX is full of gaudy colored squares? Pretty sure it's not. Now Windows 8 IS full of gaudy colored squares, but thats a different topic entirely.

The thing is there tends to be a very strong correlation big software looking outdated and also being architecturally outdated. And it most certainly is in software that is 15+ years old.

Wanting well designed (both how it looks, and how it works) is not "hipster" and quite frankly if you think that then YOU are a very poor developer.

Whenever anything is changed significantly some portion of the users will HATE that, because they are adverse to change. This is then amplified due to growing pains that always show up from rewriting a massive system from the ground up. Throw in a couple missing features and you have a perfect storm.

More than likely in a few years all the Pros who threw their tantrums and refused to learn FCPX will be frantically trying to learn it ASAP because all those "LOL f'king hipster noob morons" will be eating their lunch.

Change for the sake of having great, usable software that can scale with and take advantage what our systems can and will be capable of in the future is the right thing to do. Regardless of how much that bothers some users conservative tendencies.

 

[knewsom]

I don't understand how two 2.93GHz 6-Core Xeons, 32gigs of RAM and a couple ATIs isn't enough to cut a freaking 30min short or a local TV ad or even a piece of crap reality TV episode, let alone a full length feature film.

But then again, What The Hell Do I Know?

LOL - yeah man, I remember back in the day doing it all on my dual-proc G4... and somehow, amazingly, the Pros did it on even less before that.