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I'm not so concerned about the CPU speed as I am tech updates: USB 3 and Thunderbolt come directly to mind. And I mentioned in the same thread they could be working more aggressively with Nvidia to get more product parity for GPU offerings.
To stay within the topic, from my experience I have no use for USB3.
TB, SAS and even eSATA yes but no to USB3.
 
Looks great!

FCP X is coming together... fast!

I hear munching noises. Some people are already eating their words ;)

Looking forward to the next generation Mac Pro: FCP X may just lift off on that machine...
 
I'm enjoying this. On part 3 of 4 so far.

Some of the comments I loved were:
In reference to prolific, cheap tools anyone can use: "Anyone can afford a pencil and paper, but how many good writers are there?"

In reference to new tech killing old tech: "They said [X] would kill [Y] but we still have [U, V, W, and X] despite the arrival of [Y and Z]." They were saying that we still have radio, TV, movie theaters, and all co-exist just fine while evolving all the while.

In reference to what's ahead: "I don't want to see another new codec." Hahaha! Hear-hear!

I wasn't surprised to see the number of people in the room (over 100 they said) that were using which editing tool. One guy raised two hands for FCP X, probably most stuck with FCP 7, there were a lot that switched / returned to Avid, and quite a few that switched to Adobe. But that one guy using FCP X was very telling. On the other hand, one guy mentioned he couldn't find a big, awesome guest speaker that's using Adobe for major work. I personally don't think he didn't look hard enough, but it's true that it's not the most widespread tool.
 
I agree that people did most of the hype to themselves, and I'm convinced Apple understood that would happen and counted on it. Seriously, Apple introduced FCPX to the world for the FIRST time at the LAFCPUG at NAB 2011, after pushing out any other vendors from that event. NAB! How much more "pro" does it have to be than that?

The hype happened because of what Apple didn't tell people what it couldn't do and what was left out. Who would have ever thought you couldn't migrate a project from FCP7 to FCPX? I saw the videos of the presentation, and definitely Apple made it like like you could, and we all know how tightly scripted presentations are by Apple. Nothing is left to chance.

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yup!

I watched the super meet on video. It was pretty blatant to me that Apple wrapped it up and said "And that is FCP X." They didn't say it was a part of FCP X. They didn't say more was being added. They said that's X. The only thing that looked like you might be able to open a 7 project in X was when they showed how a project looked in 7 vs. how the same project would look in X. They were describing how X can use compound clips, etc. to keep things looking clean. It was fairly obvious they weren't showing an imported project, as that would defeat the purpose of showing how a project built in X was simpler looking. And since they didn't mention that you could open a 7 project in any way, it was pretty much understood from everyone that you couldn't open a 7 project. We hoped we were confused, but Apple was completely truthful. They weren't forthcoming, but they never said anything that I felt was misleading. They showed the entire import process including DV cameras. People assumed there must be a tape logging system. And on and on.

Anyway, pretty sad a year later we're excited that Apple is going to add a second monitor window within the year and multitrack audio tools while Premiere is reinventing itself by addressing all it's shortcomings and then some and Autodesk is creating the mega app for only 4k. Apple is being pushed out of pro, and I think that's what they wanted.
 
It looks like the show Leverage has several Apple displays in the photo. Are those connected to Mac minis? Perhaps, but I would think they are connected to Mac Pros.

http://images.apple.com/finalcutpro/in-action/

Apple updated their final cut website with some model implementations of their software. Of note is the fact that none of the studios/shows featured list the mac pro in their gear list.

I also want to see a refreshed mac pro, but I don't think this is where the wind is blowing.
 
Still no real XML (only the BS FCPX xml which doesn't work with ANYTHING), still no OMF, why are they wasting time on this other stuff when there are core features it lacks?

FCPX XML is already supported by DaVinci Resolve, and OMF export is now available via 3rd party plugin X2pro on the Mac appStore.

I think one of the key strategies of FCPX is going to be that it's a lean application, with lots of ability for 3rd party add-ons. With such a low starting price, the fact that FCP7 import will cost you $10, or OMF export cost $69 should not be considered shocking or expensive by those who use it to earn a living. Meanwhile those who only use FCPX as a "self-contained" application, aren't paying for those extras.
 
I wasn't surprised to see the number of people in the room (over 100 they said) that were using which editing tool. One guy raised two hands for FCP X, probably most stuck with FCP 7, there were a lot that switched / returned to Avid, and quite a few that switched to Adobe. But that one guy using FCP X was very telling.
Yea that was Philip Hodgets.
I wouldnt take that room full of editors as a gauge for users. If that was a real collective of editors, then Avid would have been 98% of the room as far as NLE of choice.

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It looks like the show Leverage has several Apple displays in the photo. Are those connected to Mac minis? Perhaps, but I would think they are connected to Mac Pros.
Mac Pros according to some of folks at creativecow.
The one iMac was laughable ;)

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..and Autodesk is creating the mega app for only 4k. Apple is being pushed out of pro, and I think that's what they wanted.
well its up to us to make the app "pro" :) I use it and make money so I think I can be called one. And please Smoke even if they dumbed it down is a beast to deal with and learn. Ive demoed it almost once a year for the last 5 years and still couldnt pull the trigger.
Id rather suffer using DS.
Well suffer as in justify the cost :)
 
A quad-core MacBook Pro or iMac is more than enough power for anything FCPX can throw at it.

Mac Pros aren't needed anymore.

You are quite bold to be so misinformed. One of my 1080p stereoscopic liquid animations would literally fry your consumer laptop or all in one if I tried to render on it.
 
- Multichannel Audio Editing Tools
- Dual Viewers
- MXF Plug-in Support
- RED camera support


This is beast.

No, it's not. Three of those are in Premiere Pro right now- and the fourth (multichannel audio) will be added when CS6 gets here. And as a nice bonus, it will have a REAL timeline, too- with a trim mode as good as Avid, I might add... :eek: :D
 
- Multichannel Audio Editing Tools
- Dual Viewers
- MXF Plug-in Support
- RED camera support




No, it's not. Three of those are in Premiere Pro right now- and the fourth (multichannel audio) will be added when CS6 gets here. And as a nice bonus, it will have a REAL timeline, too- with a trim mode as good as Avid, I might add... :eek: :D
Yes most know that.. god dont you even know what forum topic you are in? the topic is that FCPX is getting these options added.
It never fails, who let these parrots out?
 
the topic is that FCPX is getting these options added.

Yes, I know that. The comment was made that FCPX will be a beast once these features are added, and I merely pointed out that it won't- It's just playing catch-up.

FCPX is not a beast. SMOKE 2013 is a BEAST... :eek::eek:
 
A lot of FCP users have switched to Premiere and Avid, sorry to say. This "update" is too late for most of what was the FCP community. Too bad really. Took Apple a long time to get that market share and they lost most of it in the blink of an eye.

Can you cite anything that supports that "A lot of FCP users haved switched..."?

How many are a lot, 50? 100? 1,000? 10,000? More? Less?
 
Yes, I know that. The comment was made that FCPX will be a beast once these features are added, and I merely pointed out that it won't- It's just playing catch-up.

FCPX is not a beast. SMOKE 2013 is a BEAST... :eek::eek:
And you know this factly. Yes it is a beast, and according to real professionals its not the easiest app to live with. If you use it, more power to you, but putting a 3500 USD (slashed by a tone in pricing) against a 300 USD app is bit of stretch dont you think?

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Can you cite anything that supports that "A lot of FCP users haved switched..."?

How many are a lot, 50? 100? 1,000? 10,000? More? Less?
Yes my cousins girlfriend says she knows a guy who switched :)
 
I'm not comparing the two. I'm saying Smoke is far more worthy of the 'beast' label that was given to FCPX.
Okay I guess you didnt like that literally, I get yaa :)
As long as we all know that the two apps are not of the same nature.
Just to let you know, if you do the research, most Smoke users are not on board with this update.
Goes to show you that you cant make everyone happy by dropping the price.
It makes their craft a bit too attainable to everyone.
 
A lot of FCP users have switched to Premiere and Avid, sorry to say. This "update" is too late for most of what was the FCP community. Too bad really. Took Apple a long time to get that market share and they lost most of it in the blink of an eye.

well fcpx is always very high in the top apps in the app store
looks like they make a lot of money

yeah for the audio editing
i was wishing for it


if premiere production suite would be priced similar to fcpx and motion I would switch
 
This is nice to hear. FCPX is really shaping up to become a very usable tool. I'm curious to see what exciting new features and functionality Apple brings in the coming months and years besides this.

What I really want:

1) better audio editing and mixing tools built in
2) better integration with after effects (like premiere!)
3) better color correcting tools, right now I rely on colorista ii.
4) make it so i can turn off features, completely change the gui, and place clips on any track possible. i hate the one track thing and it's a mess with large projects. i want more freedom!
 
Glad to know that Apple hasn't completely abandoned the professional market.

I don't think it has abandoned it at all.

The switch to a next generation video editing app and the delay of the chips that a new Mac Pro needs - that's, in a nutshell, all there is about Apple abandoning the professionals.

Six months from now we'll have another great FCP X update and a new Mac Pro.

My only gripe with Apple from a professional standpoint is that mirror display they are selling as a cinema display. If I could get an Apple display that has a similar surface like the matte display on a MBP...
 
It's still not enough to save FCPX

Talk to editors, how many are switching to other platforms. Those little changes to "iMovie Pro" are not enough to save it.

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Tell that to Peter Jackson who bought around 50 REDs for The Hobbit.

Probably not with his own money.

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well fcpx is always very high in the top apps in the app store
looks like they make a lot of money

yeah for the audio editing
i was wishing for it


if premiere production suite would be priced similar to fcpx and motion I would switch

That's the problem with Adobe, unrealistic pricing. But you can't compare Motion to After Effects, it's a whole different level. Also, Adobe offers DVD authoring, photoshop integration, a media encoder (not the FCP "export to youtube" style options), AVCHD support and a professional video editing application not based on the hated iMovie workflow.
 
Also, the pros complaining about FCP X because it disturbed their workflow, well.. F* em. At this point it's their loss. FCP X is a game changer in industry.

They should have learned to be agile, to toss out their existing workflow, rather than to have been permanently reliant on their older workflow. They should have learned the new FCP X while moving away from FCP 7.

There is no room for conservatism & complacency in a market dominated by an extremely agile & responsive Apple.

Also, Premiere sucks.

Clearly, you know how this industry works.
 
Clearly, you know how this industry works.

Obviously mosumder is not a professional, and with his/her "F* them", his level of respect for professionals is very clear. Apple can do what it wants with its software, fortunately their communication skills are more refined that mozumder, even if their respect for professionals might be at the same level. FCP doesn't look like a game changer for the industry, unless you consider people switching to competing products. It might be a game changer in the iPhone/Ipad video editing world. Nothing more.
 
Anyway, pretty sad a year later we're excited that Apple is going to add a second monitor window within the year and multitrack audio tools while Premiere is reinventing itself by addressing all it's shortcomings and then some and Autodesk is creating the mega app for only 4k. Apple is being pushed out of pro, and I think that's what they wanted.

I think you're spot on. And its kind of funny with all the fan-boys yelling FCP X is a pro-product and has always been.
 
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