Apple Reveals All-New Mac Pro With Up to 28-Core Processor and 1.5TB of RAM, Starting at $5,999
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curtvaughan
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Maybe you (or I) could swing a buy of one of these used in a few years, then upgrade if need be. That's the thing with the cheese grater, you can tinker with it for a decade and keep it up to snuff with the times. Say, get the lower end model in 2 years for about 25% discount and you'd have an upgradable motherboard to spec out as you wish for another 5 or 6 years. Just dreaming a little. Haven't done that with Apple stuff for years.
Steelers7510
macrumors 6502
Is it possible they actually include a keyboard and mouse??? My guess -- probably not. That'll be another $300 bucks, please. CHA-CHING!
quatermass
macrumors 6502
I want it. I need it. Makes perfect business sense - I'm still productive with my 2008 MP 3.1, so if one of these lasts 10 years (and why wouldn't it?) I'm good. Which just leaves one question - does anyone out there want to buy a kidney? 
NB: Many years ago, I worked at Rolls Royce Motor Cars. You wouldn't believe what they did there in the name of quality. Leather from cattle that never came into contact with barbed wire, so no marks on the hide. Crankshafts polished with ground almond shells. That sort of thing. The saying was "If you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it." Same here - if you're complaining about the price, it's not for you. Move along, nothing for you here.
NB: Many years ago, I worked at Rolls Royce Motor Cars. You wouldn't believe what they did there in the name of quality. Leather from cattle that never came into contact with barbed wire, so no marks on the hide. Crankshafts polished with ground almond shells. That sort of thing. The saying was "If you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it." Same here - if you're complaining about the price, it's not for you. Move along, nothing for you here.
Economics. Supply and demand. How many of these will they sell the first year at the 6K price?
100 per month? 10 per month? 1000 per month?
If there are so few sold in a year, there is less incentive for software developers to use the full capability of a Mac Pro.
I run a business with Mac Minis and Mac Pros. We do mostly documentation and not video editing. We like the expandability for backup reasons because the data is so important.
The Mac Minis with the dual disks were ideal for doing time machine backups on the same machine.
The 2010,2012 Mac Pro cheese graters were ideal for backups and the multi GPU card support for multiple monitors.
Businesses, where there are larger volumes, will look at these Mac Pros say no - too expensive for business use.
Sabelonada
macrumors 6502
Or just the Mac.
jlocker
macrumors 65816
Well the 2018 mac pro prices will be coming down so you could get one of these models at a lower cost. But i would rather spend a couple of thousand more and be ready for the next 10 years, then behind in technology. My computer $$4999 2009 Mac Pro, new Mac Pro $6000 the same price with the cost of inflation and it lasted 10 years of high powered performance. Typing on it right now with a Vega 64 card and it feels the same as the day i purchased it 10 years ago!!!!!!!! I bet it would be hard to find a PC users that could say the same thing about their one machine in 10 years.
curtvaughan
macrumors 65816
Yeah, but if it really is upgradable like the old cheese graters, it could easily last a decade. That comes to $2000 a year - not cheap, but almost reasonable.
And it's still the previous generation Xeon processor. You're paying $592 extra for that configuration. I can buy a 64GB stick of RAM for that price. The only difference would be the GPU, which is not that much better. The Quadros are only worth it when you have the high memory version of 16GB+. At 8GB it's not that much better than a consumer card. Also, that Precision only supports optane memory to 6TB whereas the Mac Pro can take up to 32TB.
So in the end, it's actually very competitively priced considering the premiums Apple usually places on their products.
Steelers7510
macrumors 6502
THIS! I would love to see an IT Pro try to justify a $1k monitor stand to bossman. Not going to happen.
falainber
macrumors 68040
You'd first have to specify which markets this machine is targeted to. It looks like you are suggesting that it's only targeted towards video editing/rendering because there are tons of applications in other fields that require CUDA (or benefit from it). I do not do video so I do not know much about it but even so if you, for example, look at the Blender FAQ, they say this:
Currently Nvidia with CUDA is rendering fastest, but this really depends on the hardware you buy. Currently, CUDA and OpenCL are about the same in the newest mid-range GPUs. However, CUDA is fastest in the respect of high-end GPUs.
Source
jlocker
macrumors 65816
Come on dude really you need to spec out your computer out to $20000 dollars right away!!!! And who says you have to use apple SSD's and Apple memory and if you watched the developers conference, it has a standard PCI slot of if you don't want to go super duper on the video card you don't have to. I am going to get the lowest graphics card and upgrade the card in a year or two! That is what is great about the new Mac Pro you can upgrade it yourself!!!!!
Most workplaces already have VESA arms. I run my dual 5K displays on two arms so I just need to get a VESA mount to replace one of them.
jlocker
macrumors 65816
You do not have to purchase that monitor, you can use other 4k and 5k displays that look very good also, like $1500 for a monitor with a stand if you can not afford this high-end monitor.
curtvaughan
macrumors 65816
Wait for iFixit to break this thing down for component analysis. If it really is easy to repair and upgrade, perhaps an updated motherboard capable of future expansion for the next 5-10 years would make its price justifiable. Apple never was cheap, but its pro machines - both desktop and laptop versions - were deemed worth it by folks who really needed the functionality provided. The other consideration is if Apple will continue to offer enough support for the overall Mac line to convince software developers to continue their R&D for MacOS as a foundation.
That used to be true because RED prioritized CUDA support but seeing how RED, Blackmagic Design (creator of Davinci Resolve, the standard for color correction in Hollywood) and AVID (standard for editing in Hollywood) all announced support for the Mac Pro, that's not going to be an issue.
Can't you dump nvidia cards in there and run linux for machine learning?
filterdecay
macrumors regular
someone posted it in another thread = $9000
however this is a newer tech thats not released but apple hardware has traditionally been priced the same as others. They just dont do a low tier parts bundle on this system.
ImpulseDOM
macrumors newbie
Too many pages to read to check if anyone noticed but this new Mac Pro comes with a Silver and Black Magic Keyboard/Mouse/Trackpad, not Silver and White or Space Grey and Black.
These will probably be sold standalone later as they did with the iMac Pro.
These will probably be sold standalone later as they did with the iMac Pro.
ElectricPotato
macrumors 6502a
Could it be an homage to Steve Jobs' obsession with the Next monitor stand? One of his biographies said he burned big bucks 'perfecting' that industrial design.
rumplestiltskin
macrumors 6502
It doesn't look at all like something Ive would have designed (and that's meant as a compliment to Apple).
I wonder if any non-Apple cards may be used in this product, however. Apple doesn't like to leave money on the table and anything non-proprietary provides that possibility.
But the Pro users wanted something like this and cost be damned and full speed ahead.
Benchmarks are waiting...
hi all
I was not to post here ,was just reading this ,but after reading some of it ,I will post.
I am a musician.Recently bought me Cubase 10 Pro.For me ,it is way ahead from Logic. Now video-wise Windows platform ,has Adobe Premiere ,and Avid.So ,for me being a musician that makes music and edits video ,Apple suggests me to pay 6000 USD for their starting system.As someone said here before ,Ryzen 3 series coming.
I do get the arguments about Mac superiority ,I don't agree ,but okay.
sorry ,but even pci 4 for windows is already here and looks future proof
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-amd-ryzen-3000-pcie-4.0-x470,39377.html
basic rx580 already looks out dated.now paying 6000USD for 8 cores /16 threads? Me being an AMD fan
I find it to be almost funny.Bottom line is I can build an AMD or intel system for way less and have a fully capable system.And that will be perfectly stable ,too.This is the reality.I can understand some people can't handle it but the fact of the matter is that the majority of pro users out there ,need pro capabilities but without the 6k price tag.For those that want to spend 6k ,there is always the Threadripper.Try to compare this instead.There is 2990WX for 1800~USD and its 16C/32T .Series 3 are comng soon too.so you just get double core count.
ps 1: "the pros can afford it" argument is ********.
ps2: I don't care about the looks of it
I was not to post here ,was just reading this ,but after reading some of it ,I will post.
I am a musician.Recently bought me Cubase 10 Pro.For me ,it is way ahead from Logic. Now video-wise Windows platform ,has Adobe Premiere ,and Avid.So ,for me being a musician that makes music and edits video ,Apple suggests me to pay 6000 USD for their starting system.As someone said here before ,Ryzen 3 series coming.
I do get the arguments about Mac superiority ,I don't agree ,but okay.
sorry ,but even pci 4 for windows is already here and looks future proof
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-amd-ryzen-3000-pcie-4.0-x470,39377.html
basic rx580 already looks out dated.now paying 6000USD for 8 cores /16 threads? Me being an AMD fan
I find it to be almost funny.Bottom line is I can build an AMD or intel system for way less and have a fully capable system.And that will be perfectly stable ,too.This is the reality.I can understand some people can't handle it but the fact of the matter is that the majority of pro users out there ,need pro capabilities but without the 6k price tag.For those that want to spend 6k ,there is always the Threadripper.Try to compare this instead.There is 2990WX for 1800~USD and its 16C/32T .Series 3 are comng soon too.so you just get double core count.
ps 1: "the pros can afford it" argument is ********.
ps2: I don't care about the looks of it
Interesting that a 1988 serial digital interface was adopted for pro video monitors. The coaxial cable has a number of advantages that supports the 4K+ digital monitors.
I guess one would need to buy a PCI card for that capability.