Apple Reveals All-New Mac Pro With Up to 28-Core Processor and 1.5TB of RAM, Starting at $5,999

Expensive but hey! It's the modular Mac Pro you guys want. I'm glad that the moaning for a new design can finally stop.
 
Steve would go bonkers over this and you all know it. He would be furious.

I feel like I'm supposed to call this thing a machine-neutral-pronoun instead of a Mac Pro.
 
Glad they priced this high enough that I won’t even consider it. Nope. I’m professional but not this professional. This is big company money. Maybe someday if I strike it rich, but even then it seems like overkill and I would feel weird. IDK.
 
peter2 said:
I think the point is that for the Mac Pro there is neither an entry level option nor a truly high performance option. For a comparison, a HP Z8 starts at USD 2489 for an entry level machine while you can also buy a 2x 28-core XEON CPUs model with 3TB of RAM nvidia or amd graphics, ssds, hdds, whatewer you might need...

Anyway, the crucial thing about the new Mac Pro will be how often will Apple be able to update it... What is needed is an update with *each* update Intel or AMD does to their product lines... which especially with the custom GPUs will again not materialize with Apple I am affraid. We have seen this in the past too many times. :-(
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Yeah it’s true, high performance is a relative term.

An HP Z8, with just a single CPU, 1.5TB of RAM and a couple Quadro GV100 GPUs is over $150,000; luckily a 20% discount is offered so its only $125k. I couldn’t get the configurator to price a dual-CPU/3TB system but it must approach a quarter million dollars.

Obviously there’s some scientific workloads that could benefit from a 2x28 core 3TB RAM machine, but I don’t expect Apple to offer a Mac Pro in the $250k range. But boy, would some heads explode in the Apple-hate crowd around here. That would be awesome :)
 
Ryth said:
Working in one of the bigger post houses on the east cost, I (along with most of our staff)...think as most are saying...this machine/monitor is aimed at the very extreme pro high end market...I'm talking high end movie studios, high end color places, higher end creative agencies, etc. I'd called these people the 'XPros' that bring in multi hundred K or million dollar jobs

Apple seems to have lost it's understanding of what their other "Pro" market is which is the majority of us looking for a modular tower that is also "AFFORDABLE" like their previous towers were back in the mid 2000s (I'm sorry inflation hasn't gone up that much)

The majority of "Pro" don't need 6k-8K and need more standard HD/4K workflows.

This machine/monitor is aimed at the most 10-20% of their pro user base.
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I agree. But I also think the HD/4K crowd can wait for the amortization of these boxes and then pick them up at a hefty discount. They'll still be getting a very capable expandable machine. Finally!

The monitor price was a shock until I considered that it's the precision arm and the rare earth magnets that probably jacked up the price.
 
Code: 
$1200  Xeon W-3225
$500   Supermicro X11SPA-TF
$275   4x8GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM
$200   Power Supply
$175   Radeon 580
$50    EATX Case
$35    M.2 256GB SSD

I have been using the same Trash Can I bought new for the last 5-6 years. I want to upgrade. But $6000 for $2500 in components is ridiculous.
 
IG88 said:
Who is going to pair an 8 core CPU with 1.5 TB of RAM?
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First, it should be noted that the 8-core configuration can only handle 1 TB RAM (the 1.5 TB figure applies to the higher-cored processors). Having said that, I know of high-performance computing centers that offer specialized high-memory compute nodes for memory-bound tasks, which are configured with 16 cores and 1 TB RAM per node. So I suppose it is possible that certain memory-bound workloads could use 1 TB RAM without maxing out even an 8-core CPU. It would be interesting to hear from someone that does this sort of computing. More commonly, of course, the higher RAM amounts would be configured with higher-cored processors.
 
paulvee said:
This is what many of us have been waiting for, so those of you who like to complain can suck it.
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FFS who's "We"? No Nvidia support is a deal breaker for this "we". Plus.. Pro doesn't have to mean XEON either. Single core performance can outrank quite a few tasks for certain content creators.
 
I must reiterate that this machine is awesome and I'm glad Apple made it, but I find the trypophobic design truly hideous.

I think the design will not age as gracefully as this:

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In the past, Apple used to have 2 Mac Pro lines, the Mac Pro and the Server.

This new Mac Pro seems to be replacing more the server needs than the Mac Pro users.
Apple should have done a smaller Mac Pro version Around $3600 with less RAM and 1 eGPU support.

Mac Pro users that spent $2400.00 will be left in limbo due to the high end obscene pricing.

A fully loaded Mac Pro with the monitor, estimate should cost around $50.000.
Really??
https://9to5mac.com/2019/06/03/maxed-out-mac-pro-cost-estimate/

I rather buy a Tesla.
 
falainber said:
Dude, are you comparing this to iPad or something? Have you seen real PC Workstations lately? They even support NVIDIA GPUs (critical for many users who need CUDA).
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Why would I compare a Mac Pro to an iPad? Fact: the new Mac Pro has many advanced features and innovations not found in any existing machine, by any manufacturer.
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Ryth said:
Steve would have made this much more affordable (and to cheers) for the mid-range pro user with more pro tiers to go up. And he knew about how to dominate a market by having something priced lower to bring in the users into the eco-system. The majority of the pro base isn't this top end group that you are talking about...they aren't going to go to Final Cut or Logic, they are going to stay in Premiere, Avid, etc.
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Steve Jobs wasn’t perfect. He made plenty of mistakes. Even in his second stunt at Apple.

The iMac Pro is an incredible machine that will do a great job of serving the mid pro market. And the Mac Mini Pro has the low end of the pro market.
 
Peperino said:
In the past, Apple used to have 2 Mac Pro lines, the Mac Pro and the Server.

This new Mac Pro seems to be replacing more the server needs than the Mac Pro users.
Apple should have done a smaller Mac Pro version Around $3600 with less RAM and 1 eGPU support.

Mac Pro users that spent $2400.00 will be left in limbo due to the high end obscene pricing.

A fully loaded Mac Pro with the monitor, estimate should cost around $50.000.
Really??
https://9to5mac.com/2019/06/03/maxed-out-mac-pro-cost-estimate/

I rather buy a Tesla.
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Agreed. There is a gaping hole in pricing/feature offerings.

I'd hate to be the type of pro that doesn't need this much power. This is F1 racecar power when you're looking to do some gran touring.

For non-pros like myself, the mini+egpu combo is now the more attractive setup, although I would have LOVED a mid-range, mini-like Mac that was about the size of an EGPU enclosure (that's not the BlackMagic one) with upgradeable everything.

Perhaps we'll get something like that next year, now that the Mac Pro is out of the way for a good 10 years or so. However, I find this unlikely, as it would cannibalize iMac sales.

Also, I'm so glad Apple said they're "thinking about pricing", though. ;)
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sidewinder3000 said:
The iMac Pro is an incredible machine that will do a great job of serving the mid pro market. And the Mac Mini Pro has the low end of the pro market.
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I feel that an all-in-one is a bad investment, especially in any Enterprise. That is, unless it is expected to turn over the machines every year or two, and even then I wouldn't recommend a sealed box. It'd be a support and turnover nightmare with a LOT of overhead.

I agree though that the mini is about as good as it's gonna get for a modular mid-range machine, thanks to TB3. Apple has officially left the low-end market completely.
 
So.. as a software engineer and ML engineer, I use what.. my iPad for writing code?

Don’t think so.

Nunyabinez said:
If you are complaining about the cost, it is likely that you are not using your machine directly to produce income.

When you look at what what you can do when your computer is the means to generating income, then it is clear that this beast will pay for itself with the increased productivity.

For REAL professionals, it is an investment that pays off. For the wannabes it is an expense that is hard to justify.
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Peperino said:
In the past, Apple used to have 2 Mac Pro lines, the Mac Pro and the Server.

This new Mac Pro seems to be replacing more the server needs than the Mac Pro users.
Apple should have done a smaller Mac Pro version Around $3600 with less RAM and 1 eGPU support.

Mac Pro users that spent $2400.00 will be left in limbo due to the high end obscene pricing.

A fully loaded Mac Pro with the monitor, estimate should cost around $50.000.
Really??
https://9to5mac.com/2019/06/03/maxed-out-mac-pro-cost-estimate/

I rather buy a Tesla.
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Exactly correct. I'm tired of people saying this machine isn't made for you, it's made for high end super pros who don't flinch at a $50K machine. I originally bought my Mac Pro in 2010 to do some high def video editing, the ability to use my own monitor, upgrade my RAM and video card and to be able to use it for work at the office. More than an what's offered on a mac mini, iMac or Macbook "pro" but less than mission critical work. I'm not alone. Everyone I know in my industry has similar needs my company DOES flinch at a $20K computer. I'm really happy this exists and will probably get one later when I can buy one used but are the "low end" professionals like me just ignored? I'd be happy with the exact same design, but with non xeon chips and a high end consumer grade video card.
 
PickUrPoison said:
Seems like it might be exactly what actual users (not MR forum Apple-hate posters) need. Looks like they’re using the Skylake-SP processors, not the W-series. [Edit: actually a new generation of Xeon W.]

1.5TB of RAM, nice. 8 PCIe slots (4 double wide)—not anywhere close to the “stacked Mac mini” concept some envisioned.

Maybe the most important thing—the end of the “Apple doesn’t care about the Mac anymore” BS. Complaints will continue about pricing, but those whiners were never going to buy a Mac Pro (or any Mac, probably) in the first place.
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It is unclear even now what Apple is doing with their Mini and Pro line up. The former is crippled where the GPU is concerned and the latter by a price tag that suggests a much smaller niche market.

While I happen to like both the new Mac Mini and yes, even this new Mac Pro (the aesthetics actually is borrowed from years ago), I see perhaps maybe just maybe the Mini in my future as the "Pro" is a bit absurd in its starting cost point. Consider that rendering farms and the like and the outlay is more than hefty for what one is getting. So unless a business or such has money to throw ... this product is not going to be as popular as it really could be.
 
So.. as a software engineer and ML engineer, I use what.. my iPad for writing code?

Don’t think so.

Nunyabinez said:
If you are complaining about the cost, it is likely that you are not using your machine directly to produce income.

When you look at what what you can do when your computer is the means to generating income, then it is clear that this beast will pay for itself with the increased productivity.

For REAL professionals, it is an investment that pays off. For the wannabes it is an expense that is hard to justify.
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venom600 said:
The Apple site specifically says the pro stand and VESA adapter are sold separately. The monitor doesn't come with any method of standing it up out of the box. Hope you don't mind leaning it against your mac pro. ***** insane.
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I ‘stand’ corrected.
 
T-R-S said:
You need to watch the video it clearly show expansion slots of multiple GPU's.
Apple Processors have been upgradable for years - its clearly not Apple's fault when Intel changes the pinouts and slot sizes for new CPU's
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Yes but in the video, we see Apple's GPU and no word if they can be bought later to upgrade the MacPro. And No word if it will be possible to buy a faster CPU in Apple's Store to increase the power if needed. And the last Mac with upgradable CPU was the MacPro ended in 2012.
 
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