I envy the stones it takes to tell your audience that the display price does not include the $1k stand.
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Apple Reveals All-New Mac Pro With Up to 28-Core Processor and 1.5TB of RAM, Starting at $5,999
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Apple's new motto, "Courage".
Starting at $6000 plus another $1000 just for a hunk of aluminium to hold up a $5000 screen. Seems your wallets are the only things that will be sucked.
Also if you've been "waiting" then you really haven't been working.
Apple can't move to AMD until the next revision. AMD Ryzen Pro 4000 [Zen2+] will be on the 7nm+ fab that will drastically reduce power consumption, thus allowing Apple to completely go Zen from the Macbook Air to the Mac Pro. You can't go Threadripper now and cannibalize sales from the iMac Pro line.
They need the APUs and the CPUs from 6/8/12/16/32/64 cores with half the present TDP for the laptops and then you'll see it happen.
The custom designed TB3 enabled Vega II proves AMD and Apple are headed in that direction.
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People have been working on under powered systems faithfully complaining for the past 8 years until today.
It's just odd to go full AMD/ATI for GPU and then use a sub par intel CPU with security issues whilst there are better CPU's from AMD with higher core count and a trusted reputation in computational design that could be used?
Is there anyone who could really utilize 1.5TB of ram?
I am smitten by this new Mac Pr, and aspire to own one some day even if I have to wait a few years, and buy second hand.
I am smitten by this new Mac Pr, and aspire to own one some day even if I have to wait a few years, and buy second hand.
AMD has no historical track record of continuing execution. When I worked there we kicked ass with opteron for a generation, and then nothing. Just because amd has a great chip today, don’t expect that they will be great a year from now.
i was only going by mac rumors article.. can even more thunderbolt be added then? cool! My apologies for misunderstanding.
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works for me.. thanks for clarifying.
I've still got a 22 year vintage slot A Athlon running that let me turn on raytracing and a seven year vintage 15h that is getting better with age also.
And when you bought it it wasn’t as good as Intel’s chips. K7 was decent, but nobody considered it excellent.
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Well, I priced a 32 core threadripper system (HD80) w/128 Gb of ram and a real video card (WX5100) for $6,000.
If you need more ram and PCIe lanes, $6,000 will get you a very nice 24 core Eypc (HD150) set up.
The $6,000 price isn't the problem - the problem is the anemic CPU and the consumer grade video card you get for your $6,000. Oh, and the PCIe 3.0.
Oh give it a rest. Professionals use... wait for it... wired headphones, not Bluetooth ones. This is for the people who make the music that you will end up listening to on your little airpods.
I've seen people edit mind-blowing gaming montages over 20 mins long with effects and editing work that would make Hollywood blush on an aging laptop with 8gb or less of RAM and Sony Vegas cracked. Even a baseline MBP is perfectly acceptable for a lot of stuff imo, this Mac Pro is overkill for 99.9% of people but those 99.9% REALLY want one for like 75% off pretty please Apple lol
Maybe not 1.5TB but I'm planning on putting around 512GB of RAM that I install myself on a base 8-core Mac Pro. Don't need the CPU processing power, but need as much RAM and VRAM as possible for editing/grading 8K footage that uses up about 7.6TB/HR ins ProRes 4444XQ.
Not a fan of the design. Those legs looks like something Ikea would come up with.
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60263574/
But lets see some real world performance comparisons. Maya, Houdini, Blender, Arnold, Redshift, V-Ray, etc. Should be interesting to see how modo runs on it, seeing as it ran so horribly on the Trash Can.
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60263574/
But lets see some real world performance comparisons. Maya, Houdini, Blender, Arnold, Redshift, V-Ray, etc. Should be interesting to see how modo runs on it, seeing as it ran so horribly on the Trash Can.
You do realize the current Ryzen/Threadripper/EPYC are more thermally efficient than Intel, right? And they generally excel at multithreaded applications, which pros do a lot of.
And then even the lower IPC of the AMD stuff is not that bad when you consider every Intel security flaw results in a 0-5% performance penalty.
Time to get off the Intel Teet with their subpar CPUS.
Powerful is an understatement. This is Operate Your Own Space Program Like a Bond Villain level of power
Pricing for this Mac Pro is okay.
It's using a server grade board with loads of expansion options, which alone would run you about $2500.
The issue with it is that it makes the base model completely unreasonable. Nobody in their right mind would use an 8 core with 580 graphics on something like this. This board is designed for the high end versions with 20+ cores, 512+ GB of RAM and multiple PCIe cards installed. Just look at the 1400W PSU to get the picture, the base model would work with a 500W PSU.
If you actually think about buying the base model, you should consider if you a) really need macOS and b) really can't just buy an iMac or iMac Pro.
It's using a server grade board with loads of expansion options, which alone would run you about $2500.
The issue with it is that it makes the base model completely unreasonable. Nobody in their right mind would use an 8 core with 580 graphics on something like this. This board is designed for the high end versions with 20+ cores, 512+ GB of RAM and multiple PCIe cards installed. Just look at the 1400W PSU to get the picture, the base model would work with a 500W PSU.
If you actually think about buying the base model, you should consider if you a) really need macOS and b) really can't just buy an iMac or iMac Pro.
Xeons are not worth it at any level. EPYC is cheaper, faster, uses less power and have more PCie lanes. Oh, and to top it all EPYC has none of the Intel Security Vulnerabilities that are built into every CPU.
So tell me why you would want a crappy Xeon agian?
I’m really not expecting Apple to offer AMD CPU options for the Mac Pro, but I may well be wrong.
I believe your figure is off by about two-fold. You may be able to get a BOXX machine with those specs for that price, but note that, when you buy a base Mac Pro, you are paying for much more than just the base CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD. Specifically, you are paying for a framework that supports much higher-end configurations—in particular, four high-TDP GPU's and a high-TDP CPU (hence the 1.4 kW PS). Thus, if you want to compare Apple's prices to BOXX's, you need to find a BOXX machine with the same framework capabilities. The closest I could find would seem to be the BOXX Apexx W3. If you configure the Apex W3 with an eight-core Intel Xeon W (W-2145), 32GB of ECC RAM, AMD WX 7100 graphics (same as Apple's base model), and 512 GB of SSD storage, that comes to $5698 (the base Mac Pro has a 256 GB SSD, but BOXX doesn't offer this as an option; so maybe one could extrapolate that a W3 with a 256 GB SSD would run ~$5500).
And even with this, the Apexx W3 may not be in the same engineering league as the Mac Pro. For instance, while it does support 4 GPU's, it only supports an 18-core Xeon, as compared with 28 cores on the Mac Pro. It's also limited to 512 GB RAM (as compared with 1.5 TB for the Mac Pro). Also, the W3 may also not have as many PCIe slots. [BOXX does have a W4X, but it's not possible to configure it on their site with a base configuration close to the Mac Pro's.] In addition, with the Mac Pro, you are also paying for design and engineering that (if it works as promised) is supposed to be able to run high-heat configurations quietly (something most workstations don't do).
I think a more reasonable criticism of the new Mac Pro was the one I offered in an earlier post:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...arting-at-5-999.2183801/page-25#post-27421179
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