A pretty convincing list of reasons why this thing is so expensive and completely irrelevant to most people at this point. If this is its market, it’ll continue to be very niche for many years to come. I can live with that
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Apple Reveals 'Vision Pro' Headset and visionOS
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A pretty convincing list of reasons why this thing is so expensive and completely irrelevant to most people at this point. If this is its market, it’ll continue to be very niche for many years to come. I can live with that
Yeah, …. Right.
It seems like a very un-Apple like product. Apple is always about human-oriented design, about connecting you to the world. You can see them trying really hard to humanize and Apple-ize an inherently isolating technology, like with the eyes on the outside OLED which adds a bunch more cost and weight to the device and eats more battery, but man it just seems only to up the creep factor.
But hey the Apple halo is real and maybe people will accept it because it's Apple and wearing it outside won't scream "rich creepazoid"
But hey the Apple halo is real and maybe people will accept it because it's Apple and wearing it outside won't scream "rich creepazoid"
Anyone want to bet that we don't see this headset in "early 2024"? I think it will be delayed for sure.
Delayed and delayed until they can fail to ship it at all.
Previous to WWDC employees of Apple were stating that the Vision Pro was not ready and that Tim Cook was introducing it too soon. Now remind me what they were concerned about.
Headline: "Creepy Tech Gadget Dad Scars Own Children for Life."
My EXACT reaction. “Look at the psychological damage that dad is doing to his children with this dystopian face mask. They’re going to be in therapy for years.”
Watch the keynote. It’s blatantly obvious what they were talking about. They were talking about a half-baked, creepy, isolating device that is about as far from Apple’s corporate philosophy as imaginable.
I would actually argue Vision Pro is very Apple-like. For me, Apple is about bringing experiences and moods into very personalized devices. This, in itself, can connect you to the outside world but I would not confuse this with connecting people to the real life world.
Imagine it's 2004 and you're with your iPod click-wheel riding the subway. It's just you and your music blocking out the entire world. You no longer have to converse with the person sitting next to you. Now, imagine it's now and you're on a plane, watching a movie on your iPad or iPhone. You no longer have conversations with the person sitting next to you. I think the starkest example was when I was in Vegas for a Christmas week dinner at a nice restaurant. There was a table nearby where a family of 5 were on their phone the entire time for their meal and this occurred almost 10 years ago.
Vision Pro fits into this narrative of you and your own personal bubble. You will be connected to the world, through work apps like Teams and Zoom and through personal apps like FaceTime and browsers, but I don't think it was ever about encouraging more human interactions.
That being said, I still don't see any killer apps for Vision Pro let alone any other VR devices besides games. I still think they should have leaned towards more collaborative or educational verticals like when reveal showed some human anatomy and how students can use this to explore concepts that are traditionally taught with just words (this would have been fantastic for my organic chemistry class trying to understand complex chiralities and where the class average was 40% on exams). This may still happen through marketplace dynamics (think of iPad, which was targeted for consumer use, but is now used for some commercial and industrial cases) but may take 5 years for it to start blossoming.
Edit: I do agree it will be odd wearing this at home trying to capture your kids birthday party or wearing on the plane, two examples that Apple showed off. I just think all of AR/VR gives off that vibe when used in public or group situations. Remember Google had the glass-holes.
iPod wasn’t perceived as isolating in the same way as this. It goes in your ears. People have been using earphones for decades. AVP goes over your face. That’s completely different. It isn’t just extraordinarily isolating, it’s also totally off-putting to those around you.
But hey. We all know how happily people accepted wearing masks over their mouths and noses. What possible resistance could they have to a mask that completely covers their eyes and ears?
I agree with this (I made some edits after I posted about VR use in general) and I think it's a hard sell to use any VR/AR products in a public or group setting. It is isolating you from the world, regardless of the ability to go from VR to AR mode. It reminds me of the whole Airpod situations at work (Are you on a call? Are you not on a call? Are you just listening to music? Is this your way of saying you don't want to be disturbed?)
Edit: But I would still argue that iPods (and any time someone is wearing headphones) is pretty isolating. Like I won't talk to somebody with headphones on but, yes, you can still visually capture their attention as opposed to someone with VR googles on. They say AVP will be able to know if someone is approaching you and trying to capture your attention but it was only shown in the work setting.
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If the specs of the screens are true to form then one huge big advantage of this headset being portable is the ability of people to have movies or TV programs streamed to the headset because all they would need is to connect to a wifi hotspot. Sport will be a big pull for many people. The thought of being able to watch their favourite sport or favourite team where ever they are and have it in good visual and sound quality. There are millions of people who travel from place to place for work and in doing so do not always have access to a TV thus missing out on their favourite programs. No longer do they need to sit in front of a small laptop screen anymore, carry a Vison headset and watch the program in 4k!!! now THAT is going to be a big draw for people in wanting a Vision Pro.
It had better be a very fast one if you imagine streaming 4k to the device and you’re not the only one on the network.
Except that the NFL, NBA and NHL will charge a massive premium for the service and of course blackouts will still apply.
I really don’t think “entertainment for traveling salesmen” is going to be a compelling enough use case to move units.
This right here 👆🏻 People are just pulling potential customers out of a hat at this point!
Actually, with the right software and maybe the need for optional hardware, the potential of the the Vison Pro for those who are away from family, friends and work colleagues could be huge. Just think of the potential, a person has to go away for a few weeks, a few months or even a year and with the current messaging systems, they either have to text, phone call, video call or use webcam on their laptop but with a Vison pro and as said with the right software and optional hardware, the person could put on the headset and be in the room with their family, friends or work colleagues. They move around the place with the person from room to room. If the kids are in the living room playing, a few finger clicks and the person moves into the room with them, watching the children play whilst they are hundreds or thousands of miles away in a hotel room sitting on the bed or in a chair with the headset on.
I've been a VR user for many many years. Have the oculus VR and the VR for playstation and I can tell you from first hand experience, the biggest drawback of ANY of the current VR headsets is the quality of the screens which is why many people have not opted for VR in my opinion but if the Vison Pro has the excellent screen quality that people are saying it has then this will be the thing that people have been waiting for and it will not take long for software developers and other hardware tech companies to come up with a plethora of apps and 3rd party add on's that bring out the full feature of the Vision Pro and take it to the max.
Buah hahah yeah right! Like most families of four can afford $14,000 worth of VP headsets for what you're describing, let alone the cost of adding your friend's and family's headsets. You are not if sound mind of you think that is what is going to happen with this device. Not only that but what you've mentioned is just plain creepy when you can FaceTime or use other video calling options and actually see your real family. The delusions of grandeur with this device are absurd. Wow 😳
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I don’t see this as a viable mass appeal application. Just ask yourself: would your mom buy one?
No. And my mom wouldn't have (and didn't) buy the first iPhone but she has one now.
If you can see, hear and interact with your environment and people around you, it is not "extraordinarily isolating". I agree, that is true for virtual reality, but not augmented/mixed reality.
Your discomfort of talking to someone wearing googles is nothing more than a personal issue you seem to have.
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Well there's one, the Varjo XR-3. Does basically all the same stuff, but costs twice as much at $7000. You'll also need a $1500 yearly subscription Varjo Cloud, and it requires a Varjo certified PC.
And there's a $16,000 "Focal" model.
Sure! And that’s why Apple showed so much footage of people using them together and interacting.
I mean, seriously. Read virtually ANY article on the device. The central takeaway is that it’s isolating.
Fallacious nonsense. Goggles are not considered fashionable or desirable. If you contend that there’s no negative pressure facing ANY device that has to mount on your FACE you’re living in a seriously distorted reality. People generally aren’t rushing to wear goggles. How they look in them (ridiculous unless they’re skiing) is a big part of that as is the fact that they mess up your hair. Believe it or not, MOST humans are incredibly vein and self centered.
don't interrupt them while they bounce on the bags, man.
logic on this forum doesn't go far unless you're in the MP subforum.
At first I felt the same way, but I think one problem it might solve was actually addressed in the keynote, and that's changing your visual work environment. For anyone that spends their workdays slaving away inside a sterile, grey cubicle with cheap, fluorescent lighting, or perhaps works from home in a tiny studio apartment with limited space, I imagine being able to visually alter your surroundings to a more pleasing world would be pretty valuable.