Apple Reveals 'Vision Pro' Headset and visionOS

[aibloop]

What is the purpose of a display?


Exactly, the answer is too wide to answer precisely. Same thing here…



You can’t exactly say that a Mac has a «killer app» can you? The killer app of a Mac is the interface and it existing for people to make killer apps ON it.


It being a spatial computer is the killer app.

 

[Tevosn]

It's just so expensive, i mean i could buy 3,5 Mac Pro stands with that kind of money!

 

[JohnnyQuest]

Well, as a disabled person, I would love to have this for work. I can buy this, or one of the fancy zero gravity gaming chairs - which will probably be needed to be able to physically be able to work until retirement age. Same cost, one takes up a huge chunk of real estate.

i was team no way, never…. But it is a device that will let me keep doing things I enjoy long past the time my body fails me. Hopefully that body can pull off some OT come 4th quarter to pay for it.

This is a really great point tbh ^

There is definitely a market for people who can't leave their homes, whether disability, illness, anxiety, whatever it may be. This experience is so immersive and the ability of it to transport you to other places and experiences is huge.

I think we all agree cost is the deterring factor here.

 

[Boil]

It's just so expensive, i mean i could buy 3,5 Mac Pro stands with that kind of money!

Or five sets of Mac Pro wheels...!

 

[duck apple]

I don't like watching tv and movies alone. I enjoy other people, and with this, all those people have to buy a headset.

You can't be with your friends 24/7.
And when I'm with my friends, iPhone is not allowed to be put on the table; we are together for life chat.

 

[duck apple]

Please show me the mainstream demand for interacting with the world through a screen that obscures your entire field of vision.

Do you really think that people are clambering to live life under a helmet like Mandalorians?

The mainline of the Apple front page is "Apple's first Spacial Computing Device'.
It's s computer with "Virtual Vision", not a VR glass.

 

[duck apple]

This is going to destroy the big tv and projector market

So truly, and also computer monitor.
I'm thrilled to imagine getting rid of my current 3 monitors setup.

 

[duck apple]

Give me these in a pair of glasses that last multiple days, and I'm all in. I am sure that is their end goal, and I have no desire to buy into this version of the product.

It's a computer with Virtual Vision. You don't work with a computer or watching TV several days in a steak.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

So truly, and also computer monitor.
I'm thrilled to imagine getting rid of my current 3 monitors setup.

You’re not going to wear this for 8-10 hours a day, nobody is. Imagine sitting in an office with your colleagues chatting while tying work and having to keep removing this all the time, not ideal in that scenario at all.

 

[duck apple]

And to anyone saying VR, this is AR and considering the power inside the machine, 3500 is not that crazy

I don't need VR/AR whatever. This is a computer with Virtual Vision, giving you infinite virtual desktop/window and never seen size of projector for entertainment or conference call. A 120" TV costs double of it.

 

[Abazigal]

I really don’t think “entertainment for traveling salesmen” is going to be a compelling enough use case to move units.

I think this point is a red herring, as is any other comment expressing concern over how many units Apple will sell.

I do agree that the $3500 price tag is going to impact accessibility out of the gate, especially if the buyer is going to need custom prescription lenses on top of that. We also don't know how many year such a product will work / be supported before being obsoleted by Apple. There's also the matter of how comfortable it will be to wear for hours on end. There's also the possibility that Apple knows supply will be extremely limited in the next couple of years while they ramp up manufacturing, hence, the hefty price tag to maximise profits. But I think that time will solve a lot of these issues. The product will get cheaper, smaller, lighter and more capable over time. That's just how technology evolves.

The question shouldn't be about what people would use this product for, but rather, what use case won't be handled by it in the future. This is a Gen 1 product, and Apple has been known to support and iterate their offerings for years and years until it becomes a mainstream success. The Apple Watch comes to mind. Interest was initially lukewarm, but Apple pivoted to health while watchOS has seen numerous revisions as Apple continues to experiment with finding out what works for their users.

I see the same case here. You may not find a use for it right away, but I believe that it comes with a number of compelling use cases right out of the gate, and its utility will only grow with developer support. For example, I believe the ability to record spatial videos will rethink the way we store memories. Imagine recording a birthday party (like what was demoed). Looks creepy, right? Now imagine being able to replay that footage on the headset many years from now, and recreating the feeling of being right there again, in the moment. Now imagine being able to do this for a loved one who is no longer around. I feel that this alone will make it worth $3500 to some people, and it's possible only because of all the technology that has been packed into it. You likely won't get the same degree of immersion with a $300 Meta headset, assuming you can even record said footage in that manner to begin with.

I think what will sell it isn't so much any one app, but the immersion. I feel this device is going to revolutionise the way we consume content, and then some. You don't need any controllers in your hand to operate the UI, you are still able to see and interact with what is around you, and I believe that since it's Apple (and especially because said product is from Apple), any awkwardness from being seen in public wearing such a device will eventually disappear (more so than a competing product at any rate). These are very real pain points plaguing the competition, and I think Apple has clearly put in a lot of effort into tackling them one by one.

Apple has, in one fell swoop, not only unveiled the future but also managed to make the smartphone, tablet and PC feel dated. What's left is to march towards that future.

Or be dragged, kicking and screaming, into that future.

The choice is yours.

 

[duck apple]

You’re not going to wear this for 8-10 hours a day, nobody is. Imagine sitting in an office with your colleagues chatting while tying work and having to keep removing this all the time, not ideal in that scenario at all.

I don't sit in front of my computer 8-10 hours without moving my ass. You can just remove it for drink, smoking or eating.
You don't have to remove it to chat with your colleagues, just turn your head to face them and all the virtual things fade d out to the background, not really different from what your mind do in the same situation.

 

[duffman9000]

So they avoided the device’s pitfalls. Surprise?

Probably no one outside of Apples knows for sure. Surprised?

Or are you asking if I’m surprised that Apple would not highlight a weakness in their headset? That would be a totally asinine question.

 

[DJTaurus]

 

[duffman9000]

If Apple designed the headset with prescription lenses in mind then I’m totally fine with that. People are complaining about being able to use glasses. I’ve owned 2 VR headsets and both were not comfortable to use with glasses. The type of glasses you use and the shape of your face will determine if the headset is comfortable.

There are already prescription inserts for the PSVR2 and VR thin glasses are also available. People here cry like it’s the end of the world.

 

[Surf Monkey]

The mainline of the Apple front page is "Apple's first Spacial Computing Device'.
It's s computer with "Virtual Vision", not a VR glass.

Sure it is.

LOL

 

[Surf Monkey]

If Apple designed the headset with prescription lenses in mind then I’m totally fine with that. People are complaining about being able to use glasses. I’ve owned 2 VR headsets and both were not comfortable to use with glasses. The type of glasses you use and the shape of your face will determine if the headset is comfortable.

There are already prescription inserts for the PSVR2 and VR thin glasses are also available. People here cry like it’s the end of the world.

Spendy Zeiss lenses. These ain’t going to be Warby Parker.

 

[Elohim369]

the technique of feeding you your outside world through the camera system is what makes this work so brilliantly for its mixed use. You can‘T have a crystal clear spreadsheet in front of your eyes on a clear or semi-opaque lens. It will compromise any augment you are using. This isn’t trying to be a set of shades that gives you nav info or context about an object you are standing on. That type of system would not work as an alternative for a movie screen or looking at high resolution images or your full “desktop”. This take on AR allows you to blend the outside world with whatever work or content you are working with. You will never get that control with a lens you can see through - it will always have a trade off.

Seriously they shouldn't do that
- It takes a huge amount of effort with all the cameras etc - probably adds $1000 or more to that headset
- It's a lot worse than what you can see when you take the goggles off - for free
- It distances people from each other - or rather it would, if dads were actually going to show up with these techno blindfolds and observe their own children through screens - they may as well be half a world away and wouldn't know the difference.

I think people will never go for this - they're not that stupid. They won't trade the real experience for a high tech alternative that is a lot worse. They won't run around outside with dorky goggles on.

AR will worth through neuralink or contacts, or even Google Lens, some day, and it will be kind of useful. Not through massive scuba goggles.

Next time dad is at the bday party with their little kids, maybe he is actually somewhere far away, just tuning in with his goggles, while the robot looking like daddy is wearing the goggles to interact with the party, turn the view, etc. What's the difference? I am thinking that being in multiple locations at once like that will be the next selling point but will further remove humans from reality and turn everything into a virtual world.

Soon you won't be able to tell if you even have kids or it's all just simulated on your screen - there won't be any difference....

Dystopian techno nightmare kicked off by Apple.

But as I said, I don't think people will be that stupid. Instead, no one will buy this and it will go away faster than Google lens. And you thought those glasses were dorky.... "hold our beer", said Apple...

So dar I've seen 2 use cases that make sense

- A huge private cinema - frequent fliers should appreciate this especially in cattle class...
- More options for porn - Ok, I think it's gross, personally, also quite lonely, but I am realistic and know many people are addicted... I used to watch it too, until I realized it's mind programming that is a detriment to one's intimate life.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Seriously they shouldn't do that
- It takes a huge amount of effort with all the cameras etc - probably adds $1000 or more to that headset
- It's a lot worse than what you can see when you take the goggles off - for free
- It distances people from each other - or rather it would, if dads were actually going to show up with these techno blindfolds and observe their own children through screens - they may as well be half a world away and wouldn't know the difference.

I think people will never go for this - they're not that stupid. They won't trade the real experience for a high tech alternative that is a lot worse. They won't run around outside with dorky goggles on.

AR will worth through neuralink or contacts, or even Google Lens, some day, and it will be kind of useful. Not through massive scuba goggles.

Next time dad is at the bday party with their little kids, maybe he is actually somewhere far away, just tuning in with his goggles, while the robot looking like daddy is wearing the goggles to interact with the party, turn the view, etc. What's the difference? I am thinking that being in multiple locations at once like that will be the next selling point but will further remove humans from reality and turn everything into a virtual world.

Soon you won't be able to tell if you even have kids or it's all just simulated on your screen - there won't be any difference....

Dystopian techno nightmare kicked off by Apple.

But as I said, I don't think people will be that stupid. Instead, no one will buy this and it will go away faster than Google lens. And you thought those glasses were dorky.... "hold our beer", said Apple...

So dar I've seen 2 use cases that make sense

- A huge private cinema - frequent fliers should appreciate this especially in cattle class...
- More options for porn - Ok, I think it's gross, personally, also quite lonely, but I am realistic and know many people are addicted... I used to watch it too, until I realized it's mind programming that is a detriment to one's intimate life.

The rank and file will mock this thing without mercy. It’s a ridiculous product that has no compelling reason to exist and makes you look like a total tool to boot.

 

[Elohim369]

In 2010 Steve Jobs sat down on a sofa and picked up an iPad to read the news. That's how the presentation went, anyway.

Can you imagine Steve Jobs putting this on his head and doing a presentation extolling the values of this, the latest and greatest Apple product?

This product is not of the Apple we know. It might be a great product (I'm not convinced of that, but am willing to entertain the idea) but it's not Apple, and this makes me jolly sad.

Yeah it's basically the anti-thesis of everything Jobs stood for

He was always about fostering creativity

He knew about human values and the importance of human connection

He was always about accelerating humanity

He wouldn't go for this thing - a piece of control perfectly suited to societies depicted in "A brave new world" and "1984" and "Ready Player One".

 

[Surf Monkey]

Yeah it's basically the anti-thesis of everything Jobs stood for

He was always about fostering creativity

He knew about human values and the importance of human connection

He was always about accelerating humanity

He wouldn't go for this thing - a piece of control perfectly suited to societies depicted in "A brave new world" and "1984" and "Ready Player One".

Exactly. If what we know about Steve Jobs is accurate (and we know a lot about Steve Jobs) he’d never have green lit this product. Creativity, connectivity and the advancement of humanity was his value system. His idea of the ultimate technological achievement was the bicycle. A simple, elegant device that increases human mobility dramatically, takes you through a beautiful world and gives you an experience you can’t get in a car or a bus. Look at Apple Campus. It’s designed to get people outside and away from their computers. To let people interact with the real world. He would have recoiled at this blatantly dystopian isolation device and called Tim Cook a bozo for investing so much in it.

 

[RSB96]

Actually, with the right software and maybe the need for optional hardware, the potential of the the Vison Pro for those who are away from family, friends and work colleagues could be huge. Just think of the potential, a person has to go away for a few weeks, a few months or even a year and with the current messaging systems, they either have to text, phone call, video call or use webcam on their laptop but with a Vison pro and as said with the right software and optional hardware, the person could put on the headset and be in the room with their family, friends or work colleagues. They move around the place with the person from room to room. If the kids are in the living room playing, a few finger clicks and the person moves into the room with them, watching the children play whilst they are hundreds or thousands of miles away in a hotel room sitting on the bed or in a chair with the headset on.

I've been a VR user for many many years. Have the oculus VR and the VR for playstation and I can tell you from first hand experience, the biggest drawback of ANY of the current VR headsets is the quality of the screens which is why many people have not opted for VR in my opinion but if the Vison Pro has the excellent screen quality that people are saying it has then this will be the thing that people have been waiting for and it will not take long for software developers and other hardware tech companies to come up with a plethora of apps and 3rd party add on's that bring out the full feature of the Vision Pro and take it to the max.

You don't see your real family, you see a fake avatar, because everything is fake with AR, just look at the avatar they generate for you for FaceTime. It's not you, it's an AI that emulates your movements.

With FaceTime I see the real person, on a bigger or smaller screen, but I see them, I see their real face, their real expressions.

 

[steveballmer]

Delayed and delayed until they can fail to ship it at all.

With your highly reputable and trusted network of insider supply chain contacts around the globe - and your flawless track record of predicting each and every one of the recent Apple product launch delays, is there a particular data point you would highlight as underpinning your hypothesis?

 

[laptech]

You don't see your real family, you see a fake avatar, because everything is fake with AR, just look at the avatar they generate for you for FaceTime. It's not you, it's an AI that emulates your movements.

With FaceTime I see the real person, on a bigger or smaller screen, but I see them, I see their real face, their real expressions.

Once the headset is officially released next year, I have no doubt some enterprising software and hardware developers will come up with solutions that will allow someone to view their family in real time when using the headset.

Look at all these companies that provide home automation solutions (the Smart home). If one of them designed a package that with the use of extra cameras and microphones fitted around the house and bespoke software for the mac that would allow a person wearing the headset to move around their house virtually I think it would be a big seller to those who are away from home a lot. It could even be a case where an app is designed for an ipad so the person at home see's the real time image of the person wearing the headset whilst the person wearing the headset moves around the family home with the person holding the ipad. The Vison Pro would allow such a scenario to happen. It just needs someone to develop the idea.

 

[Xand&Roby]

The mainline of the Apple front page is "Apple's first Spacial Computing Device'.
It's s computer with "Virtual Vision", not a VR glass.

They could have even called it “Apple's first Facial Computing Device”, perhaps it would have been more popular.