Apple Rumored to Be Planning OLED iPad Pro in Both 11-Inch and 12.9-Inch Sizes

[FrozenDarkness]

Apple: lets transition everything to micro-led
Also apple: lets transition everything to oled in two years even tho the technology exists today

 

[Tagbert]

Apple: lets transition everything to micro-led
Also apple: lets transition everything to oled in two years even tho the technology exists today

This isn’t exactly the same as most existing screens. The two-layer screen is designed to reduce burn-in and extend the life of the screens. Apple has been looking for manufacturers who are willing to make the two-layer screens. Samsung originally balked at the idea saying it would make the screen more expensive. It looks like Apple may have convinced LG to make them and maybe Samsung is joining the fun, now too.

 

[iPadified]

iPad Pro studio starting 1799$ amazing!

If it is 15-16 inch, yes please!

 

[iPadified]

Wanna downgrade to 11” and this is what I was waiting for

If it is your preferred size, it would be an upgrade.

 

[goobot]

I hope in addition to OLED screens we finally get more than the standard 10 hour battery life and larger screens would be nice. Make the 11" a 12" and the 12.9" a 14". Trim down the bezels with a notch for the camera at the top in landscape mode. One can dream.

I feel like that’s exactly what the oled refresh next year will have

 

[washburn]

I still don’t understand how this double layer will help increasing the lifespan and preventing burn in issues.

https://www.oled-info.com/nintendo-...hows-signs-burn-after-extreme-3600-hours-test

 

[skoor2]

I like OLED, but even with dual layers, it will probably have higher risk of burn-in vs the mini-led. But I would bite, if HDR is reasonable.

I do have the 12.9 iPad with mini-led. Its blooming is pretty bad especially compared to the 16/14 MBP min-led. If they don't go to OLED, I hope that can improve it at least to the MBP's level of blooming. Maybe fa irst gen issue that the MPB was also to address somewhat.

 

[bookofxero]

So far, everything points to cost.

MacBook Air isn’t getting it. Even Studio Display didn’t get it

LG released an OLED monitor lately and it is $4k on its own. I do not even want to imagine what the Studio Display would cost if it were OLED, but it would completely miss its target demo.

 

[svish]

Maybe 11” Pro can get mini LED in the near future before both 11” and 12.9” transition to OLED in 2024. OLED iPad will be good, hopefully will not have burn in issues.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Exactly what I’m waiting for in my next iPad! Will be happy to purchase a 2 layer OLED 11” iPad Pro. In the meantime my gen 4 iPad Air should be great while I wait.

I honestly don’t think the next iPad Pro will include an 11” size. I think Apple is going to downsize the 12.9” to 12” and introduce a 14”-14.8” version for those asking for that larger model. The move to M1 for the Air and the lack of an 11” mini-LED upgrade last year were the writing on the wall to me. Time will tell if I’m right.

 

[CWallace]

Also apple: lets transition everything to oled in two years even tho the technology exists today

This isn’t exactly the same as most existing screens. The two-layer screen is designed to reduce burn-in and extend the life of the screens.

This.

Apple does not just add a technology for s**ts and giggles like most other OEMS and let the user live with any consequences or drawbacks.

Apple works to resolve as many of those consequences/drawbacks as they can before they introduce it, which is why when they do adopt the technology, it's more functional and performs better than the "early adopters".

It was why the iPhone X's OLED display performed better when "put under the microscope" than the peer Galaxy S even though Samsung Display manufactured the displays used by both. Apple had higher standards and requirements than Samsung Electronics so the panels Samsung Display manufactured for Apple were of superior quality and capability than the ones they manufactured for Samsung Electronics.

 

[BigMac?]

IMHO Apple stiffed trouble with implementing miniLED in the 11".
Picture fits:
- no miniLED in 11" in 2022
- increased rumors about OLED on iPAD
- Apple feeling more competition in tablet market

-> the customer is the winner

 

[OriginalClone]

If it is your preferred size, it would be an upgrade.

Don’t get me wrong I like the size, but the 11” is way more portable. Doesn’t seem like it on paper, but the difference in size is significant.

 

[dgdosen]

It's hard to imagine how to make the iPP more appealing (aside from making iPadOS much more powerful).

Better Screen? Yes - but will Apple say OLED is better than mini LED?
Thinner? It's already pretty thin. One needs something to grab onto.
Less bezel? Sure, but less of a matter as they get smaller.
Faster? Sure - but not an issue with iPadOS
More Efficient? Sure - but not really an issue with all day battery life

Otherwise - 2018 IPP is still a winner.

 

[Tagbert]

It's hard to imagine how to make the iPP more appealing (aside from making iPadOS much more powerful).

Better Screen? Yes - but will Apple say OLED is better than mini LED?
Thinner? It's already pretty thin. One needs something to grab onto.
Less bezel? Sure, but a less of a matter as they get smaller.
Faster? Sure - but not an issue with iPadOS
More Efficient? Sure - but not really an issue with all day battery life

Otherwise - 2018 IPP is still a winner.

Yes, I have a 2018 iPP and nothing makes me want to upgrade, yet.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

This.

Apple does not just add a technology for s**ts and giggles like most other OEMS and let the user live with any consequences or drawbacks.

Apple works to resolve as many of those consequences/drawbacks as they can before they introduce it, which is why when they do adopt the technology, it's more functional and performs better than the "early adopters".

It was why the iPhone X's OLED display performed better when "put under the microscope" than the peer Galaxy S even though Samsung Display manufactured the displays used by both. Apple had higher standards and requirements than Samsung Electronics so the panels Samsung Display manufactured for Apple were of superior quality and capability than the ones they manufactured for Samsung Electronics.

this sounds a bit like kool-aid. Especially if you consider the compromises Apple made to transition to mini-led screens. All the ghosting around cursors and the edge shadows. You got to ask yourself if those are better than going with OLED which apple has already done with their phones which gets used so much more often.

To me, this transition makes no sense. But hey, the rumor mill has circled OLED for a long time now, including saying the lower end tablets will get OLED while higher end will stay with mini-LED. Or that apple will transition to micro-led. at this point, i don't think anybody truly knows what apple is doing on the display technology side.

 

[CWallace]

this sounds a bit like kool-aid. Especially if you consider the compromises Apple made to transition to mini-led screens. All the ghosting around cursors and the edge shadows. You got to ask yourself if those are better than going with OLED which apple has already done with their phones which gets used so much more often.

OLED does have issues, especially with static images like menu bars and docks. There are mitigation issues that handle general use, but folks like to post pictures of display model iPhones with OLEDs that have significant burn-in/image retention because they show the home screen a dozen hours a day for months on end. The average consumer likely keeps their iPads longer than their iPhones (even if they keep iPhones for years) so this new OLED tech Apple is looking at is said to offer longer usable lifetimes, which would be relevant to longer device ownership cycles.

iPhones use a pentile RGB OLED panel which are very different from the WOLED (and QD-OLED) panels used in televisions. I am not sure what sizes those are available in and how much they cost so it might be that they either were not available in iPad Pro and MacBook Pro screen sizes or they are, but would add hundreds of dollars to the BOM (and MSRP).

 

[FrozenDarkness]

OLED does have issues, especially with static images like menu bars and docks. There are mitigation issues that handle general use, but folks like to post pictures of display model iPhones with OLEDs that have significant burn-in/image retention because they show the home screen a dozen hours a day for months on end. The average consumer likely keeps their iPads longer than their iPhones (even if they keep iPhones for years) so this new OLED tech Apple is looking at is said to offer longer usable lifetimes, which would be relevant to longer device ownership cycles.

iPhones use a pentile RGB OLED panel which are very different from the WOLED (and QD-OLED) panels used in televisions. I am not sure what sizes those are available in and how much they cost so it might be that they either were not available in iPad Pro and MacBook Pro screen sizes or they are, but would add hundreds of dollars to the BOM (and MSRP).

there are tablets and laptops with OLED panels already...

 

[CWallace]

there are tablets and laptops with OLED panels already...

Yes. And they reportedly have issues with burn-in / image retention and other things based on posts of people who own them.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

Yes. And they reportedly have issues with burn-in / image retention and other things based on posts of people who own them.

so do iphones.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

i think my point is i'm not convinced apple will invest so much into Mini-LED because OLED is 2-3 years away. that doens't square away with me as Mini-LED isn't problem-free.

 

[Karma*Police]

Wanna downgrade to 11” and this is what I was waiting for

Ha, I went from 13” to 11” and now want to go back to 13”

 

[Tagbert]

so do iphones.

OLED burn-in is greater the longer the screen is lit. A phone tends to be used for shorter bursts than a tablet or laptop and the screens are configured to dim very quickly. A laptop screen is often on for extended periods and with static UI elements while screen dimming is on long timers if at all. Laptops would be most subject to burn-in. Tablets are somewhere between. Phones are also not expected to have a long a lifetime as tablets and laptops are longer lived still. that adds to the risk of burn-in. If Apple can reduce burn-in by using this new, two-layer OLED screen, that might be suitable for the Tablet use case.

 

[Tagbert]

i think my point is i'm not convinced apple will invest so much into Mini-LED because OLED is 2-3 years away. that doens't square away with me as Mini-LED isn't problem-free.

All display technologies have trade-offs.

LCDs have trouble with dark blacks and bright whites.

OLEDs (which are a wide ranging group of technologies, not just a single type) have historically had problems with image burn-in. Some of them have been more expensive than LCDs and have trouble with off-angle color reproduction. Apple has been exploring a two-layer OLED that is intended to offset the burn-in and fade problems of OLEDs though it is likely to be more expensive. QD-OLED is new and has some nice properties but is also in the expensive side.

MiniLED can bring many of the benefits of a high range of brightness of OLEDs without the burn-in. their downsides are problems with blooming in some cases (the iPad miniLED seems to have more of that problem than the MBP screen). MiniLEDs also add to the cost.

MicroLEDs offer promise of no-compromise image quality and stability but so far they are more prototype than product and they promise to be expensive as well. In any case we are probably a few years away from seeing production microLED screens.

Different uses cases more closely match the characteristic of each display tech. Apple has been using miniLED in recent years on mid-range sized screens (iPads and Laptops). We'll see if they continue using that tech, particularly in large screens where the price may be a factor. As new tech becomes available, Apple may make some different choices for some products. When new screen tech comes out, I like to go to an Apple store to test it out.

 

[eifelbube]

5 yrs of same case for develop a product designed by day one for OLED display. iPad Pro will be the next iPhone 6-SE22 family or, for older users, Combo Drive. .

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